7DMT is currently on fire (11/1/14)

[ProfSavage]

Reading this thread is like being stuck in a mine shaft now lol

In Chile?



Too soon?

 

[GhostHost1000]

In Chile?



Too soon?

Ouch lol

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

You do know that only 3 shells have ever been fired using ALF don't you? And that it's not worked for 3 years?

Am I missing a joke or are you not talking about compressed air when you say ALF??? Everything I've ever read about the Disneyland fireworks shows, including Disneys website, talk about the environmental and visible advantages of using compressed air to launch their fireworks over an explosive charge. Even one of the youtube videos linked earlier in the thread showed them clearing the system of compressed air in preparation for a show. ???

 

[Victor Kelly]

I just like Civ because you tell yourself you'll play for an hour before bed, next thing you know it's been five years and your wife has left you and you aren't any closer to conquering that nuke-happy Ghandi.

Civ is like that.......all of the CIV games. I remember getting the game and 36 hours later was still playing it.

 

[ProfSavage]

Civ is like that.......all of the CIV games. I remember getting the game and 36 hours later was still playing it.

Played Beyond Earth yet?

 

[Victor Kelly]

Not yet. Don't have a system that can support it.

 

[ProfSavage]

Not yet. Don't have a system that can support it.

yeah, the demo and my graphics card don't like each other... know what I am asking for Christmas

 

[PhotoDave219]

Am I missing a joke or are you not talking about compressed air when you say ALF??? Everything I've ever read about the Disneyland fireworks shows, including Disneys website, talk about the environmental and visible advantages of using compressed air to launch their fireworks over an explosive charge. Even one of the youtube videos linked earlier in the thread showed them clearing the system of compressed air in preparation for a show. ???

That is what the website says.

But Martin is right in that there were only 3 shells ever to use it

 

[jencor]

just got back from a trip (and only go about every two years) and we were there watching wishes from in front of Be Our Guest and did not notice a thing. When wishes was over we headed to the front of the castle to watch Celebrate the Magic and Electrical parade. Never saw or heard a thing until the next day. After the parade we left and did see a scooter that went off the curb it seemed sideways and tipped over and the lady was trapped under it. Did not see what happened, but you could see her in a lot of pain and they were telling her not to move.

 

[Daniel Johnson]

I don't know much about fireworks, or trolling...but, I am enjoying the post fire commentary in this thread

 

[Vegas Disney Fan]

That is what the website says.

But Martin is right in that there were only 3 shells ever to use it

Learned something new today , I thought this sounded wrong but found a pyro website that was discussing Disney fireworks shows and someone that has done the shows said that Disneyland and Hong Kong Disneyland are the only parks to use the compressed air launch, WDW and the other Disney parks use black powder charges to launch.

He basically said DL and HK DL use compressed air because California and HK require it but WDW doesn't because it's not a requirement in Florida. Makes sense.

ETA: And now I can't tear myself away from a fireworks forum, fascinating. If anyone is interested about all things fireworks check out Pyro universe.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Learned something new today , I thought this sounded wrong but found a pyro website that was discussing Disney fireworks shows and someone that has done the shows said that Disneyland and Hong Kong Disneyland are the only parks to use the compressed air launch, WDW and the other Disney parks use black powder charges to launch. They mentioned Illuminations used air launch for a few shells, they didn't specify but I'm guessing the shells that launch towards the middle from near the guests.

He basically said DL and HK DL use compressed air because California and HK require it but WDW doesn't because it's not a requirement in Florida. Makes sense.

Well..... This website started as an illuminations fan site. Ask @wdwmagic

 

[Phil12]

You do know that only 3 shells have ever been fired using ALF don't you? And that it's not worked for 3 years?

The use of the air launch system was primarily developed for eco-friendly reasons. The noise, smoke and lift cup litter associated with black powder tube launches plays havoc with the neighbors in a small park such as Disneyland. Other parks in urban areas face the same problems. Again, WDW has the blessing of size and doesn't have large urban areas in close proximity to the parks and therefore little need for compressed air launch.

To what do you base your statements that shows will change? Or is it just an opinion?

It is my opinion based upon the facts of the situation. WDW is often criticized for cutbacks in entertainment and for its failure to build new E-ticket attractions. However, I have seldom heard of WDW being called out for a lackadaisical attitude concerning safety of their guests or their employees. There have certainly been both employees and guests that have been injured and killed at various Disney facilities. But Disney investigates and does its best to remediate any and all safety issues. Safety first is more than just an idle slogan to Disney. Safety is good business.

There will be an internal investigation to determine the cause(s) and remedies to rectify the immediate problem(s). But Disney legal is looking at the long term "what if" problem that has been established. Hypothetically, if a guest was seriously injured or killed due to a fireworks malfunction, the settlement price for such a case just went up dramatically as a direct result of these well publicized fireworks incidents. Disney legal is now concerned that future guest injury might cost the company a hefty settlement sum. That in turn puts pressure on management to change show elements and methods to preclude that from becoming a reality.

Oh, and belive me, plenty more things have happened in the past. And the shows just keeping going on. Strange huh?

Not strange at all. As I've said, the Disney crews have a very good (if not excellent) safety record. When dealing with inherently dangerous materials, safety will never be perfect. It's just a matter of degree as to what level of hazard Disney is willing to accept.

The questions are simple. Were the two most recent fires that were caused by fireworks malfunctions acceptable? We're all guests safe from any harm concerning these incidents? The answer to both questions is no. Disney was just lucky that no guests were injured. Show elements will change, be eliminated or replaced altogether as safer and more efficient technics are developed. And a real selling point for Disney is laser light shows and other display options may prove to be less costly.

 

[Phil12]

It's just I've seen other people say the same things and they're serious and then the thread gets closed. So that's why I asked. Also, its a little hard detecting sarcasm through a computer screen.

 

[PhotoDave219]

Learned something new today , I thought this sounded wrong but found a pyro website that was discussing Disney fireworks shows and someone that has done the shows said that Disneyland and Hong Kong Disneyland are the only parks to use the compressed air launch, WDW and the other Disney parks use black powder charges to launch.

He basically said DL and HK DL use compressed air because California and HK require it but WDW doesn't because it's not a requirement in Florida. Makes sense.

ETA: And now I can't tear myself away from a fireworks forum, fascinating. If anyone is interested about all things fireworks check out Pyro universe.

When you get 5 minutes, look up fire one.com that's the industry standard these days

 

[PhotoDave219]

The use of the air launch system was primarily developed for eco-friendly reasons. The noise, smoke and lift cup litter associated with black powder tube launches plays havoc with the neighbors in a small park such as Disneyland. Other parks in urban areas face the same problems. Again, WDW has the blessing of size and doesn't have large urban areas in close proximity to the parks and therefore little need for compressed air launch.

It is my opinion based upon the facts of the situation. WDW is often criticized for cutbacks in entertainment and for its failure to build new E-ticket attractions. However, I have seldom heard of WDW being called out for a lackadaisical attitude concerning safety of their guests or their employees. There have certainly been both employees and guests that have been injured and killed at various Disney facilities. But Disney investigates and does its best to remediate any and all safety issues. Safety first is more than just an idle slogan to Disney. Safety is good business.

There will be an internal investigation to determine the cause(s) and remedies to rectify the immediate problem(s). But Disney legal is looking at the long term "what if" problem that has been established. Hypothetically, if a guest was seriously injured or killed due to a fireworks malfunction, the settlement price for such a case just went up dramatically as a direct result of these well publicized fireworks incidents. Disney legal is now concerned that future guest injury might cost the company a hefty settlement sum. That in turn puts pressure on management to change show elements and methods to preclude that from becoming a reality.


Not strange at all. As I've said, the Disney crews have a very good (if not excellent) safety record. When dealing with inherently dangerous materials, safety will never be perfect. It's just a matter of degree as to what level of hazard Disney is willing to accept.

The questions are simple. Were the two most recent fires that were caused by fireworks malfunctions acceptable? We're all guests safe from any harm concerning these incidents? The answer to both questions is no. Disney was just lucky that no guests were injured. Show elements will change, be eliminated or replaced altogether as safer and more efficient technics are developed. And a real selling point for Disney is laser light shows and other display options may prove to be less costly.

Okay this is the difference between one guy behind a keyboard and two people actually "in the know".... Guess which one you are

 

[Daniel Johnson]

When you get 5 minutes, look up fire one.com that's the industry standard these days

What's your background photodave? You seem to know a good bit about pyrotechnics. Just curious...

 

[G00fyDad]

Sarcasm...sometimes it gets lost on people....But, if you want to get serious, the title of the thread is "7DMT currently on fire 11/1". The fire is out, minimal damage. And if you read through the threads, no one is really talking about fire safety. There were a couple of pages in this thread where there were some posts beginning to become a little testy. But please, feel free to start a thread on fire safety if you wish...

 

[PhotoDave219]

What's your background photodave? You seem to know a good bit about pyrotechnics. Just curious...

All Ive learned about Pyrotechnics all started at this very website and listening to those who knew how it works. Steve, Martin, a few others that I can't name. I listened and learned.

Its a hobby. I love a good fireworks show, especially when its choreographed to music and under 12 minutes long. Ive photographed more than my share and I have insane standards for fireworks photos.

To answer your question, its just a hobby. But i have friends who handle this stuff every day....

 

[Daniel Johnson]

All Ive learned about Pyrotechnics all started at this very website and listening to those who knew how it works. Steve, Martin, a few others that I can't name. I listened and learned.

Its a hobby. I love a good fireworks show, especially when its choreographed to music and under 12 minutes long. Ive photographed more than my share and I have insane standards for fireworks photos.

To answer your question, its just a hobby. But i have friends who handle this stuff every day....

As an amateur photographer, I love getting to shoot firework shows. And thanks for the insight!