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Isn't anybody the least bit worried that WDI is having trouble fixing a moving curtain?:lookaroun
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Yes, but Ellen has it down to a tee.
MMFanCipher
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So what makes FP not work for TSM? I like the FP system, but I haven't had a chance to ride TSM yet. Just curious. :shrug:
RSoxNo1
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Indeed it dosn`t, not if the line wasn`t designed for it.
Patience
Marni, are you intimating that Fast Pass will be removed from TSM?
MousDad
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Wouldn't be the first time he has. But he never elaborates. :lol:
disnyfan89
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They are building the new bridge behind Pooh's playground. They are going to crane it in.
culturenthrills
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The ride like Soarin simply doesn't put enough people through per hour to fulfill demand. They didn't put FP in the version of the ride at DCA. It was forced on the one here so mgmt had another attraction they could advertise that had FP at DHS.
Brian Noble
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As near as I can tell, no matter what they do, Florida's TSM is doomed until that park gets another attraction or three that the whole family can enjoy. They could have built two of them back-to-back and still drawn decent waits.
jakeman
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Not able to and not wanting to are different. You have choosen not to get a Fastpass and also not to wait in the line. Therefore, the only one denying entrance to the attraction is yourself. So the harm is not the Fastpass system itself, just the choices you make because of it.
I've been on TSM several times using the Fastpass system. I've had no problem with it.
jakeman
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I don't understand this argument. What demand? What is the magically hourly ride capacity that warrents a Fastpass label for an attraction? Why would something with a low ride capcity still not warrent a Fastpass if it is popular?
ToTBellHop
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The problem with Fastpass is that it necessarily increases wait times in the Stand-by lines, simply because that line moves much slower with Fastpass. On attractions with high hourly capacity, like Mission: SPACE or the Tower of Terror, this isn't much of a problem. However, on low capacity attractions, not only does the Stand-By line stay longer than it would be (and it stays longer well into the evening, which was not the case before--you used to see a real drop off in weight times around park closing, but now, Soarin' still has a 4-hour wait at 9 pm), but because there are just fewer seats available, Fastpasses run out by noon. Therefore, if you are not at the park first thing in the morning, you can't ride unless you are willing to wait 4 hours. Without Fastpass, you still might wait 2 hours at mid-day to ride, but certainly not 4 hours. Why not 4 hours? Because queue lines are never built to handle 4 hours worth of guests in line, so guests will naturally not get in line for a ride with a long line. They'll come back later. You would be able to walk-on the ride early or late in the day. Now, because people have "reservations" to ride, you have no such luck later in the day, so if you want to ride, you get in the 4-hour line (and people do). Now I am actually a fan of Fastpass, for the most part, but it has been over-used. I remember, for example, when it was on Haunted Mansion, a ride that is permanently a walk-on, but with Fastpass, you usually had a 15-20 minute wait in Stand-By. Thankfully, they removed FP. I would argue FP also doesn't belong on any:
(1) shows
(2) Fantasyland style dark rides.
Case in point, you used to be able to get on Peter Pan's Flight at any time in no more than 30 minutes or so and you could practically walk-on after dark. Now it is stuck at 40-50 minutes pretty much all day. I don't think it should have FP. At Disneyland, it doesn't. Come to think of it, in general, Disneyland has been much more reasonable in their execution of FP--it's far more limited than in Florida.
(1) shows
(2) Fantasyland style dark rides.
Case in point, you used to be able to get on Peter Pan's Flight at any time in no more than 30 minutes or so and you could practically walk-on after dark. Now it is stuck at 40-50 minutes pretty much all day. I don't think it should have FP. At Disneyland, it doesn't. Come to think of it, in general, Disneyland has been much more reasonable in their execution of FP--it's far more limited than in Florida.
mhead
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Totally agree. Fastpass has allowed us to do alot more than we would have in the past. It just takes planning.
jt04
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Which is a good thing at least as far as his sources are concerned I am sure.
jt04
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I loathed the wand but appreciate fast pass for the most part as I am only occasionally miserable.
krankenstein
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FP does not need to be on TSMM. I have said it before, I witnessed them clear the line in the middle of the day before FP was turned on. FP does absolutely nothing but kill the wait time on TSMM. It works great on some attraction, TSMM is not one of them!
BTW, the single rider line going into Yesterland sucks!!!!
BTW, the single rider line going into Yesterland sucks!!!!
SleepingMonk
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DHS needs to scrap the stunt show and bring in the Indy ride to spread things around a bit.
EPCOT Explorer
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dxwwf3
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As others have said, FP does work very well for a lot of attractions, but this is not one of them. If you are ever in line for this first thing in the morning, before FP people start being admitted, you'll know why. The line is almost always moving when it is allowed to.
And yes Disneyland's usage of the system is pretty much perfect. They chose wisely not to have TSMM be a FP attraction. They system can work out very well, but when it isn't really needed, it can really lengthen wait times quickly.
And yes Disneyland's usage of the system is pretty much perfect. They chose wisely not to have TSMM be a FP attraction. They system can work out very well, but when it isn't really needed, it can really lengthen wait times quickly.
darthjohnny
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I figured they would take out Single Rider on Toy Story. They didn't really need it anyway.
And for everyone that thinks removal of fast pass is the end all to long lines at Toy Story Mania or it actually makes the lines longer, take it from me, I've been on the stand-by line when there were no fast pass users. The line actually started past that first section of the line (passed those exit doors) leading closer to Mr. Potato Head, and it still took and hour. It would have definately been significantly longer if I had to start all the way beginning and even a little out side.
And for everyone that thinks removal of fast pass is the end all to long lines at Toy Story Mania or it actually makes the lines longer, take it from me, I've been on the stand-by line when there were no fast pass users. The line actually started past that first section of the line (passed those exit doors) leading closer to Mr. Potato Head, and it still took and hour. It would have definately been significantly longer if I had to start all the way beginning and even a little out side.