3rd Gate at DLP

[CoasterFan27]

Here's what Google Gemini came up, just for fun:

Gemini and other language models are probabilistic calculators that happen to work with words and concepts. All you'll get out of it is the middle-of-the-bell-curve of what someone might say about it, without any real insight.

At least use the research mode if you want some sort of novel information or concepts.

Besides, there's not enough space for an animal kingdom style park, particularly considering that in Europe people would expect if anything even more space for animals to be in to exceed standards set by the leading European zoos. There is technically space on the east of the ring, but they'd not have any space for hotel expansions they'd want to build with that level of expansion to the park attendance.

If Disney is ever going to experiment with a more teen-adult thrill focused park, I would expect it to be in the 3rd gate here due to European tastes and lack of a large thrill-focused chain like Six Flags, but I very much don't expect that just a thought.

 

[Bernswss]

I'm so curious what a DAK would be like over there given the climate/seasons/weather.

Building a zoo in France is quite complicated at the moment. I haven't done research on this but from what I've been told is that no new zoos or parks with animals in captivity can be built. Disney would only be able to build a park with animals like AK if they bought a zoo and closed it, which would come with even more costs. What I could most definitely see is a park like AK, with the realistic areas themed to different real world locations and with some stuff dedicated to animals but with no animals in it.

 

[cjkeating]

Let's be real. Disneyland Paris [nor any other Disney Resort] is going to built an animal park.

 

[Haymarket]

Qq1

Gemini and other language models are probabilistic calculators that happen to work with words and concepts. All you'll get out of it is the middle-of-the-bell-curve of what someone might say about it, without any real insight.

At least use the research mode if you want some sort of novel information or concepts.

Besides, there's not enough space for an animal kingdom style park, particularly considering that in Europe people would expect if anything even more space for animals to be in to exceed standards set by the leading European zoos. There is technically space on the east of the ring, but they'd not have any space for hotel expansions they'd want to build with that level of expansion to the park attendance.

If Disney is ever going to experiment with a more teen-adult thrill focused park, I would expect it to be in the 3rd gate here due to European tastes and lack of a large thrill-focused chain like Six Flags, but I very much don't expect that just a thought.

Thanks for the tip about research mode.

 

[Haymarket]

Let's be real. Disneyland Paris [nor any other Disney Resort] is going to built an animal park.

I don't know about that. Shanghai is going to announce a second park soon (in the next year or so). Who knows what's possible.

 

[The Empress Lilly]

I don't know about that. Shanghai is going to announce a second park soon (in the next year or so). Who knows what's possible.

Not a zoo rather than nahtazu.

 

[Supersnow84]

Paris won’t build another park until WDS is stable and pulling enough guests that Disney feels comfortable having it lose guests to a third gate (because with 3 gates people are just as likely to visit the castle park + one of its second gates as they are to visit all 3) and right now even with pride lands WDS is still on the edge of “barely okay”

Shanghai will get a second gate next. It gets more guest than Parc Disneyland and disneysea and rivals Tokyo Disneyland but doesn’t have a second gate. Honestly if Hong Kong presents another year of positive momentum in guest numbers pushing them close to if not above 10 million I’d even say Hong Kong has a better chance of a second gate before Paris, because it’s less risk to build a second gate than a third gate unless the third gate is as stable as a castle park (and of the 6 second gates only disneysea is remotely that stable)

 

[denyuntilcaught]

I agree - Shanghai is the "sure" bet to get the next new gate. I'd think the likelihood and order of each resort getting a new gate is as such - in the most blue sky of thinking:

Shanghai (imminent)
HKDL
DLR
DLP
TDR (poor space limitations abound)
WDW
Abu Dhabi (naturally)

 

[Nickm2022]

what's the odds they announce a new park at d23 2026 would you say? Whether that be a third gate at Disneyland, or in Paris, or tokyo?

 

[cjkeating]

what's the odds they announce a new park at d23 2026 would you say? Whether that be a third gate at Disneyland, or in Paris, or tokyo?

Close to zero at DL, DLP or TDR. Unless somehow Disneyland Forward becomes a third gate even though it was specifically not a third gate in the plans.

Shanghai... maybe? But I doubt a new gate would be announced until Iger has a successor.

 

[Nickm2022]

Close to zero at DL, DLP or TDR. Unless somehow Disneyland Forward becomes a third gate even though it was specifically not a third gate in the plans.

Shanghai... maybe? But I doubt a new gate would be announced until Iger has a successor.

I respectfully disagree when it comes to DL, as while not stated outright and even with concept art saying the contrary I think they would be stupid to not build it in the Toy Story parking lot

 

[cjkeating]

I respectfully disagree when it comes to DL, as while not stated outright and even with concept art saying the contrary I think they would be stupid to not build it in the Toy Story parking lot

But to answer your original question, it seems unlikely they'd announce a third gate for the Toy Story Parking Lot when the Disneyland Forward plans specially stated it was not a location for a 3rd gate.

Without derailing this thread to be about CA it seems they are focusing on building out DCA (like they are with WDSP/DAW) and if anything I think a third park makes less sense for DLR than DLP right now.

After the revenge travel era DLR has been struggling for full price attendance whilst DLP has not with the exception of last years soft Olympic summer which will likely impact DLR in 2028.

 

[Supersnow84]

DCA is also in the same position as WDS where it arguably isn’t stable enough attendance wise to justify a third gate as a third gate will pull more people from DCA than it will from Disneyland

Maybe after the avengers/coco/avatar stuff all opens but DCA 3.0 did nothing to improve attendance from DCA 2.0 so DCA may actually have an attendance ceiling

 

[denyuntilcaught]

Maybe after the avengers/coco/avatar stuff all opens but DCA 3.0 did nothing to improve attendance from DCA 2.0 so DCA may actually have an attendance ceiling

I think that's a result of perception differences between DCA 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0.

1.0-2.0 was known and perceived to be a drastic positive improvement and, as a result, had the attendance to show for it. 2.0-3.0 was less grand of a project and more subjectively, less positive of an improvement - often seen of an erosion of the efforts put forward before, even amidst the general population, let alone broader disruptions like Chapek and COVID that affected company perceptions.

I'd argue we've yet to hit DCAs attendance ceiling and are relatively far from it. To your point, the trio of new attractions will prove that out. All three have the reasons and rationale to be home runs.

 

[Nickm2022]

I think that's a result of perception differences between DCA 1.0, 2.0, and 3.0.

1.0-2.0 was known and perceived to be a drastic positive improvement and, as a result, had the attendance to show for it. 2.0-3.0 was less grand of a project and more subjectively, less positive of an improvement - often seen of an erosion of the efforts put forward before, even amidst the general population, let alone broader disruptions like Chapek and COVID that affected company perceptions.

I'd argue we've yet to hit DCAs attendance ceiling and are relatively far from it. To your point, the trio of new attractions will prove that out. All three have the reasons and rationale to be home runs.

I agree and also think once all open the park is honestly maxed out of space and will need to take out stuff to build new. Which I don't think Disney wants to do given everything in the park isn't that old yet. With WDS (AW) while I love all the new stuff still annoyed they are not touching the Nemo/pixar area and the cars/studio ride area. For a park being about worlds these areas sure don't feel like it. Personally Wish they just tore down those areas and all the studio stuff and go all in to the art nouveau theming besides the IP lands