2016 TEA Themed Entertainment Attendance Report

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djdan888

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If I was a betting man, I would probably bet on late 2018 or early 2019 even for Toy Story land opening. They will make the announcement next month. I fully expect Hollywood Studios decline to continue for most of next year as well as people go into holding patterns. We may say UNI come close to if not beat Hollywood in attendance as their Fast and Furious ride will most likely open April or May of next year. They are roughly 1 million away right now. If they do so, that would be a major blow for Disney. Disney cant let that happen. Do we see a slowing down of price increases next year?
 
bhg469

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Flynnwriter said:
Increase in prices. Decrease in attendance. Maybe it's time to relook at pricing and find some places to give consumers a break.
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unfortunately the attendance drop probably still gave them the profits they were looking for. They have zero issues getting people in the gates at the rates they charge so there will be no difference in their current trend.
 
ParentsOf4

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bhg469 said:
unfortunately the attendance drop probably still gave them the profits they were looking for. They have zero issues getting people in the gates at the rates they charge so there will be no difference in their current trend.
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Disney's domestic theme park Per Capita Guest Spending (PCGS) was up 7% for FY2016, a strong number. 1Q2017 was up the same 7%.

PCGS was flat (i.e. no gain) for 2Q2017 (i.e. the most recent fiscal quarter). That's the first time PCGS hasn't increased since 1Q2010. Between 1Q2010 and 1Q2017, the average had been 7%.
 
LuvtheGoof

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ParentsOf4 said:
Disney's domestic theme park Per Capita Guest Spending (PCGS) was up 7% for FY2016, a strong number. 1Q2017 was up the same 7%.

PCGS was flat (i.e. no gain) for 2Q2017 (i.e. the most recent fiscal quarter). That's the first time PCGS hasn't increased since 1Q2010. Between 1Q2010 and 1Q2017, the average had been 7%.
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I've read through the quarterly reports and can find no mention of PCGS at all. Where are you getting this from? I do see it in the annual report.
 
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Kingtut

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Flynnwriter said:
Increase in prices. Decrease in attendance. Maybe it's time to relook at pricing and find some places to give consumers a break.
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HERESY - With incorrect thoughts like this you will be sent to a Disney University Reeducation Camp

In the words of our Chairman L. C. Clench - "profit is simply a bi-product we've learned to live with"
 
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ParentsOf4

ParentsOf4

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LuvtheGoof said:
I've read through the quarterly reports and can find no mention of PCGS at all. Where are you getting this from? I do see it in the annual report.
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These are contained in the 10K's and 10Q's. From the most recent 10Q:

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The Mur

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Be careful with getting excited about percentages. Universal has lower attendance so a spike with a new opening results in potentially higher percentage growth. And regards to market share (as calculated by attendance) Disney is ok giving up a little market share if the market increases! A strong second competitor like Universal just increases the attraction of coming to Orlando for a vacation. That benefits Disney and Universal!
While the fans love the attendance "awards" it is not the primary measure for either Disney or Universal. They care about average spend per guest. Those are figures that neither park will ever disclose!
 
dreamscometrue

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flyerjab said:
Honestly, this type of quarterly report is what every Disney diehard fan should hope for - Disney market share down and Uni market share up...significantly.

I always imagine what the Orlando parks would be like right now if UNI had never purchased theme park rights to Harry Potter. Pandora might never have been built, meaning Harambe would not have been as significantly expanded. Changes to DTD might still have happened, but I would question whether Toy Story Land would be happening as well as the apparently LEGIT Star Wars Land we are now getting. Who knows, maybe Staggs would still be here.

I think that Disney sees what the competition is bringing now, and man is UNI swinging - rights, lefts, upper cuts. More rides, better theming, a competitive water park (when it is actually finished and running properly), most likely more Potter...and Nintendo Land hasn't even begun. And that addition will be interesting as I am wondering if they will be having a castle now as the icon for that land...maybe giving them the opportunity for a nighttime fireworks show that actually doesn't suck. Oh, and many more resorts with nice amenities, great service, with lots and lots of rooms to fill.

Disney needed this for their flagship resort in Orlando. Complacency makes a person far too comfortable. I have to think that if this keeps happening, TWDC will keep pushing for growth in Orlando - meaning more rooms, better infrastructure (hello gondolas), better attractions (hello Pandora, Toy Story Land, Star Wars Land, and whatever is happening with Epcot), and even more for MK. They want to market themselves as the masters of themed entertainment? Well, the past 2 to 3 years have been a nice start. And for me, having been a fan only since 2009, Pandora has been the first demonstration for me of what Disney can do when the gloves come off. The money and creativity put into that expansion, coupled with marketing that actually didn't stink, produced a number of incredible new experiences for DAK. I know that a lot of people don't include Disney Springs in any of this, but I feel like they have vastly improved that part of the larger resort with fabulous dining, more live entertainment and shopping. DHS is starting to transform now, with quite possibly the most impressive land (and E-Ticket) ever produced in a theme park (and no, I am not talking about Toy Story Land). And Epcot has been just waiting in the shadows.

I say thank you Comcast, for dumping tons of money into the Orlando parks. And don't let up any time soon.
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Great post, but I actually think that Universal is starting to slip just a tad in terms of creativity. The 2 HP lands are world class, but since Diagon Alley, Kong is just okay, Fallon is meh and Volcano Bay (which is a water park, no matter how they try to spin it) is off to a rocky start with it's Tapu Tapu fiasco and unfinished construction.. I also was surprised by the areas that could use some TLC in both parks in March.
Don't get me wrong, I agree with your post, but with Pandora (and even RoL and HEA), and what Disney has announced, and the unannounced that we expect at Epcot and MK in the next 5 years, Uni better not rely on just HP and continuing to add mostly weak or mediocre screen attractions.
Essentially, I agree 100% with a quote that @WDW1974 stated when he was talking about some Uni exec..."And his decisions on too many screen-based attractions and too much repetition have kept Creative from upping Disney overall. Sure, anything Potter is among the best creative product out there ... but after that the level drops quite a bit. WDI may spend like our defense department, but overall their product is still better."
Edit: And as @bhg469 reminded me below, that Fast and Furious screen thing is coming too. Yawn.
 
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