2 Sides of a Speeding Ticket

Fievel

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http://www.fdlreporter.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080528/FON0101/80528141#pluckcomments


This is an actual letter than was sent to my boss questioning the reason she received a speeding ticket from one of our deputies. Since my boss prides himself on communication with the public, he decided the publish the letter in the local paper (minus the name) to explain how people think there is a "gray area" in the law, when there really isn't.

It's an interesting read.
 

Uponastar

Well-Known Member
Very interesting.
Your boss comes across as very level-headed and fair.
Hopefully, the young lady in question will learn something from this, but her "blame it on everyone but me" mentality suggests she most likely will not.
 

EPCOT.nut

Well-Known Member
On the same subject - sort of - my last two traffic tickets were both WDW related - on the way to MGM and the other one on the way back from the EPCOT C-25.

:lol:

I obviously cannot concentrate on driving when I'm thinking Disney....
 

haveyoumetmark

Well-Known Member
Call me crazy, but I still get the idea that many cops just let the power go to their head and do things because they can....

I have never gotten a ticket, but a lot of the times it really depends on the officer that pulls you over. Sometimes you get issued a warning, others you get a ticket. It really seems subjective to me... but then again, I'm positively sure many police have seen me speeding, etc. and never pulled me over. I'm not really sure what I'm trying to say here, but yeah... :lol:

Nevertheless, thanks for posting the letter, it was an interesting read.
 

Fievel

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Original Poster
A lot of it is subjective, and depends on all the circumstances. The best thing I can advise is that making excuses is not a good idea. Officers have heard them all, and if they feel you're not taking responsibility for doing something illegal, they will be much more apt to ticket you.

But yeah...this is why I like my boss....a few years back he got some grant money and used it to set up a taskforce to catch online predators in the area. He was widely criticized because we have a small farm-based county. To rebuke this he went to a local high school, and invited parents to bring their kids.

When he set up, he had a few officers ask kids what chat sites they frequent to talk to friends and what IM programs they used. The officers started new profiles as girls ranging from 13-15. Within minutes they were getting hit on by much older men.

He was never questioned on his use of the grant money after that. He's very fair to both the public and his officers. However, even if we screw up, he will absolutely hold us accountable.

Here is a link to more of his columns that he sends to the local papers:

http://www.dodgecountysheriff.com/sheriff_says.html

If You navigate through the site, you can actually find pictures of the jail I work at.

Cheers -

Brad
 

Wilt Dasney

Well-Known Member
I could tell she wasn't going to win much sympathy by her whiny tone. I've gotten two tickets in the last year and it's annoying, but there wasn't much to really argue about, since I was caught. :shrug:

I did actually type out a note to the sheriff on one of them explaining why I felt like the posted limit in the area was too low (I did try to bring in some logic based on the layout of the area, not just "the limit is too low because I was over it" :lol:) but never sent it.

Basically, I've started paying a lot more attention now. I use 10 over as my "crap, need to slow down" threshold and try to stay closer to 5 over. I suppose I could still get pulled for it, but I figure the odds are lower than 15-25 over would get me.

A couple of interesting things that I noticed that are probably more localized things:

*She get a $200 ticket, even though she was over 21, apparently hadn't been cited in 4 years and was 16 over. My first ticket was for +17 9 months ago, and it was only $75. (My more recent one for +27 two months ago set me back $280, however.) :lookaroun

*I find it almost impossible to stay within the posted limit going downhill, like she was. I just ride my brakes and hope my brake lights make it clear I'm doing what I can. Maybe it's a skill you're forced to learn in more hilly areas. I don't come across too many steep inclines around here.
 

GenerationX

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I love her rationale for why she didn't deserve a ticket: she was stressed out, she had set the cruise control to only 10 mph over the speed limit, and the guy in front of her (who was going much faster) didn't get a ticket. Oh, and since she realized 30 seconds later that she was speeding and promptly slowed down, she should be given a break. Please.

I got a speeding ticket while going downhill last August because I wasn't paying attention, which is exactly what I told the officer. My explanation didn't get me out of the ticket (nor should it have). I just didn't see the need to go into the details about what was on my mind at the time I was speeding, because it wouldn't change the core issue - I should have been paying more attention.

I actually got the ticket a week before our WDW trip and, in Illinois, your driver's license is held as bond. I had to quickly get a state ID card so I could get on the plane. I was still able to rent a car in Orlando - I just had to show both the ticket and the state ID.
 

Uponastar

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I love her rationale for why she didn't deserve a ticket: she was stressed out, she had set the cruise control to only 10 mph over the speed limit, and the guy in front of her (who was going much faster) didn't get a ticket. Oh, and since she realized 30 seconds later that she was speeding and promptly slowed down, she should be given a break. Please.

I got a speeding ticket while going downhill last August because I wasn't paying attention, which is exactly what I told the officer. My explanation didn't get me out of the ticket (nor should it have). I just didn't see the need to go into the details about what was on my mind at the time I was speeding, because it wouldn't change the core issue - I should have been paying more attention.

I actually got the ticket a week before our WDW trip and, in Illinois, your driver's license is held as bond. I had to quickly get a state ID card so I could get on the plane. I was still able to rent a car in Orlando - I just had to show both the ticket and the state ID.

And don't forget she was distracted by a phone call from someone making sure she was alright. :dazzle: :confused: :brick:
 

Number_6

Well-Known Member
I've only ever been pulled over twice in my life. Both times I was given a warning. The first time was stupid. I got pulled over for not speeding(Trooper traveling in same lane as me, decided to go one lane over and pulled me over for not passing him :veryconfu). Second time was early morning driving on an empty road and just not realizing how fast I was going, I got pulled over a mile from my exit.
 

sbkline

Well-Known Member
I can see both sides here. Legally, the woman was speeding and her ticket is legitimate. However, I don't consider myself strictly a "by the booK" person. To me, being strictly "by the book" is for the Barney Fifes of the world: people who lack common sense and compassion and can do nothing except look at the letter of the law and spout regulations. I think common sense needs to come into play somewhere and, regardless of what the letter of the law is, I think considerations need to be given to steep downhill grades. IMO, it is reasonable and common sense to overlook a little speeding going downhill, especially if it is demonstrated that the person is making an effort to slow down. It's not like she was drag racing through a school zone here. She was driving downhill and I'm sure all of us know how easy it is to find yourself accidentally going a little too fast as a result of your car going down a steep incline. I know when we drive to WDW and as we go through the mountains of Tennessee, there are some extremely steep grades at some points. So much so that they have runaway truck ramps along the interstate. You can literally take your foot of the gas and not set the cruise control and your car will actually speed up on its own as it goes down the grade. And even paying utmost attention, it's very difficult to keep the vehicle at the posted speed limit going down those grades. I'm just glad there's not some overzealous Barney Fife wannabe out there looking for easy excuses to throw the book at speeders.

To elaborate on my sitcom analogy, I'm more of an Sheriff Andy Taylor man when it comes to my philosophy on law enforcement. I'm not an anarchist by any means and I'm not saying that speeders should not be ticketed. I just favor some compassion and common sense to balance out the letter of the law. I remember one episode where Barney had his notorious sidecar motorcycle and he decided to ticket all the truckers because they were going 5 MHP over the posted speed limit. Andy's response was that "they need that extra 5 MPH to get over Turner's grade and we've always given it to them". That's the kind of common sense that I'm talking about. Not just being some legalistic machine that writes out tickets for any violation...but using the brains and common sense that the good Lord gave you in determining if this is something that a ticket needs to be written for, or if there are other circumstances (such as a steep incline) that should be taken into consideration.

Of course, the woman's own admission that she makes a practice to willfully go 10 MPH over the posted speed limit could very easily and rightfully negate the other mitigating circumstances that I mentioned. :lol:
 

EPCOT.nut

Well-Known Member
I can see both sides here. Legally, the woman was speeding and her ticket is legitimate. However, I don't consider myself strictly a "by the booK" person. To me, being strictly "by the book" is for the Barney Fifes of the world: people who lack common sense and compassion and can do nothing except look at the letter of the law and spout regulations. I think common sense needs to come into play somewhere and, regardless of what the letter of the law is, I think considerations need to be given to steep downhill grades. IMO, it is reasonable and common sense to overlook a little speeding going downhill, especially if it is demonstrated that the person is making an effort to slow down. It's not like she was drag racing through a school zone here. She was driving downhill and I'm sure all of us know how easy it is to find yourself accidentally going a little too fast as a result of your car going down a steep incline. I know when we drive to WDW and as we go through the mountains of Tennessee, there are some extremely steep grades at some points. So much so that they have runaway truck ramps along the interstate. You can literally take your foot of the gas and not set the cruise control and your car will actually speed up on its own as it goes down the grade. And even paying utmost attention, it's very difficult to keep the vehicle at the posted speed limit going down those grades. I'm just glad there's not some overzealous Barney Fife wannabe out there looking for easy excuses to throw the book at speeders.

To elaborate on my sitcom analogy, I'm more of an Sheriff Andy Taylor man when it comes to my philosophy on law enforcement. I'm not an anarchist by any means and I'm not saying that speeders should not be ticketed. I just favor some compassion and common sense to balance out the letter of the law. I remember one episode where Barney had his notorious sidecar motorcycle and he decided to ticket all the truckers because they were going 5 MHP over the posted speed limit. Andy's response was that "they need that extra 5 MPH to get over Turner's grade and we've always given it to them". That's the kind of common sense that I'm talking about. Not just being some legalistic machine that writes out tickets for any violation...but using the brains and common sense that the good Lord gave you in determining if this is something that a ticket needs to be written for, or if there are other circumstances (such as a steep incline) that should be taken into consideration.

Of course, the woman's own admission that she makes a practice to willfully go 10 MPH over the posted speed limit could very easily and rightfully negate the other mitigating circumstances that I mentioned. :lol:

HOLY COW! :lol:
 

Monty

Brilliant...and Canadian
In the Parks
No
I've been ticketed a number of times. :shrug: I'm always polite with the officer and never make excuses, simply put I was caught and was deserving. As a result, I've never actually been issued a ticket that reflected the actual speed I'd been doing, they always reduce it to whatever the minimum speed they're pulling people over for that day. Occasionally they'll write in the margin what the fine would have been for the speed I'd been doing and any demerit points it would have incurred.

The idea of giving the officer some sort of excuse or suggesting they're picking on the wrong person because others might be going faster that day is mind-boggling to me. The officer is doing their job and there is never any excuse that warrants giving them a hard time for doing it. If you think otherwise, you just weren't raised right.

The only time I've ever challenged an officer who pulled me over was an occasion where he was doing 60 in an 70 zone while I was behind him and then moved to doing 70 in an 80 zone [all Km here :lol:]. I finally went around him and he pulled me over. When he got to me he said I'd been tailgating him for a while and then sped to pass him. I pointed out that I had never lost sight of his rear tires on the road, so hadn't been that close and I passed him because he was going well below the posted limit on both stretches of road. He told me the limit where we were was 70 and I had been doing 80, took my license and registration back to his vehicle to right the ticket. In my rear-view I noticed his partner point to the speed limit sign that was right beside my car that said the limit was 80... :D The officer rather sheepishly returned my papers and apologized. :cool:
 

sbkline

Well-Known Member
HOLY COW! :lol:

Sorry, but like I said, I've never been a fan of going strictly by the letter of the law without taking into account other mitigating circumstances. I'm in favor of using your brain. And that goes the other way around, too. For example, my Dad likes to do cute little tricks to circumvent the intent of the law by claiming that he's technically following the letter of the law. Such as the seatbelt law, for example. Now I'm not getting into whether or not I agree with seatbelt laws, because that's irrelevant. But rightly or wrongly, it's the law in Illinois to wear seatbelts. My Dad's way of rebelling against that is to pull the seatbelt over his shoulder to make it look like he's wearing it. His defense, when questioned by someone about it, is that he's following the law...he's "wearing" his seatbelt. It's that kind of brainless adherence to the letter of the law without using a little common sense, IMO, that results in cops with a power trip waiting at the bottom of a hill to nail people whose cars have inevetably accelerated in the process of going down the slope. God gave us all brains...let's use them a little.

Several years ago, me and a friend of mine went out to eat after our late shift at work. It was past midnight when we were on our way home, and we were coming up on one of the towns on the way home. I misread the first "speed limit 35" sign, thinking instead that it was a sign telling us that the speed limit 35 zone is coming up. So I continued to go 55, slowing down in preparation for coming into town. When I came up to the second sign, which I thought was the first speed limit 35 sign, I slowed down to 35. There was a cop up ahead and he pulled me over and gave me a ticket. He told me that the 35 zone starts back there over the little hill, where I thought it said "speed limit 35 ahead". I thought he was wrong, so I filed to protest the ticket in court. However, as the court date approached, I saw the signs for myself again in the daylight and saw that the cop was right...the first sign DID say speed limit 35 and he was right...legally. I knew I didn't have an argument, so I just ponied up and paid the ticket. Legally, did I deserve the ticket? Sure. But I'm interested in more than just the letter of the law. While I did rightfully deserve the ticket in a strictly legal sense, I think the cop just had a power trip and enjoyed writing tickets just because he could. It was an honest mistake and it wouldn't have hurt him to cut a little slack just because of that. Secondly, it was past midnight, no one was out, so it's not like I'm hotrodding through a school zone while the bus is unloading.

Again, to all the cops out there...COMMON SENSE, FOLKS! Just because you're legally in the right to give a ticket, that doesn't mean you should. Don't walk around with a Barney Fife complex measuring cars to see if you can nail one for being one centimeter over the line, or seeing if you can catch one still in the process of decelerating as he crosses the speed zone, etc. Use your brain a little and take some other things into consideration.

Oh, and in case anyone wonders, I wasn't rude in any way to that cop. I think I politely told him that I thought the speed zone started with that second sign, but I didn't sit there and argue with him about it. I respectfully accepted the ticket, bid him goodnight, then mailed it in after checking the box indicating that I wanted to fight it in court. And yes, I admit that I am responsible for the fact that I apparently wasn't paying enough attention to those signs. So I don't deny my responsibility in all of that. I just think it would be nice if more cops would be willing to take other things into accout other than thinking "AHA! I've got another one to nail! Mwahahahaha!" :lol:
 
I am a very easy going person and always respect authority. That being said...I do have a problem with many of my local officers.

I live near a hospital where the police officers frequently come in and out. I see them on a regular basis making turns with no signal, speeding through the 15mph zone, and way to often making left turns through a red light from the right lane. Once they pull into the hospital they go straight to the ER and sit. There is nothing so important going on in the ER that they can't wait for the light to turn green. The speeding around the hospital area really bothers me because there are so many families around here and there are always children outside playing.

I have absolutely no problem following the law but I don't think that those who enforce the law should be above it. What is good for one should be good for all.:animwink:
 

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