$100 a day? Soon. VERY soon.

flynnibus

Premium Member
$100/day or %500/365 days...

it's a no brainer people

But that's not a fair comparison at all.
It's not $100 PER day - it's $100 if you want ONE day
Most customers have a limit to how many days they can actually use, so comparing 1 to 365.. is misleading.

It's like buying in bulk at Costco.. is it cheaper to buy the 10 gallon jug of mayonnaise? Sure, but not everyone can actually make it work.

A more fitting analogy would be like...
$300 for a week.. (or whatever the number would be..)
or $500 for unlimited..

The AP is still an upsell to most people.. because for most hitting the break-even point for tickets alone is not necessarily in their normal vacation plans.

I mean.. I've been a Disney parks fan for over 30 years.. and even I can't imagine spending 2-3 vacations there a year.
 

ddbowdoin

Well-Known Member
But that's not a fair comparison at all.
It's not $100 PER day - it's $100 if you want ONE day
Most customers have a limit to how many days they can actually use, so comparing 1 to 365.. is misleading.

It's like buying in bulk at Costco.. is it cheaper to buy the 10 gallon jug of mayonnaise? Sure, but not everyone can actually make it work.

A more fitting analogy would be like...
$300 for a week.. (or whatever the number would be..)
or $500 for unlimited..

The AP is still an upsell to most people.. because for most hitting the break-even point for tickets alone is not necessarily in their normal vacation plans.

I mean.. I've been a Disney parks fan for over 30 years.. and even I can't imagine spending 2-3 vacations there a year.

I also don't know many people who head down for a one day excursion, if that is the case you are in a small minority... because 1 day adventures are people on conferences, stopping by, and not even local because if you were close enough you'd be a fool not to have an annual pass.
 

RKS Taiwan

New Member
Precisely.

There is a show on Broadway I have been waiting for them to do a revival of for fifteen years, and even though I live five states away, I was bound and determined to go. And then I looked at ticket prices - two decent tickets are going to run $300. For one show. And couple that with the travel (even if I went there and back the same day), I'm looking at minimum $500 (bare minimum).

So I'm not going.

The prime cost of a WDW vacation for most (unless you stay at Deluxes on site) is admission...and the higher it creeps, the less people will go.
Go, find the money and go.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
On topic: 89 dollars to 100 dollars soon VERY soon. 2021?

Well.. if you assume Disney will raise prices higher than normal after FLE opens.. a significant jump.. say even just $8 or more.. it would only take 2-3 more years of only minimalist incremental increases to hit $100.

I think the story is 'Disney looking to jack prices in a big step...' and probably once they can justify it to themselves with FLE and maybe some other announcements.
 

flynnibus

Premium Member
I also don't know many people who head down for a one day excursion, if that is the case you are in a small minority... because 1 day adventures are people on conferences, stopping by, and not even local because if you were close enough you'd be a fool not to have an annual pass.

You'd be a fool to buy up to a capability you'll never use too...
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
$100/day or %500/365 days...

it's a no brainer people

I can barely get my wife to agree to a week-long trip every few years. It's only a no-brainer if you fit the profile for an AP-holder. Many (I would guess the vast majority) do not fit this profile.
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
I cannot argue this. All is right in your post (lebeau, nice blog by the way) as far as I know. Is $100 (soon very soon)/person/gate/day right? or am I missing something? I do believe there is secrecy (wrongly) but nothing that can't be found out. It is a public traded company after all.
On topic: 89 dollars to 100 dollars soon VERY soon. 2021?

Glad you enjoyed the blog!
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
I also don't know many people who head down for a one day excursion, if that is the case you are in a small minority... because 1 day adventures are people on conferences, stopping by, and not even local because if you were close enough you'd be a fool not to have an annual pass.

I have said this before in this thread. But it bares repeating. The vast majority of people I know personally never spend more than 3 days at WDW. It's either a long weekend or part of a larger vacation. Most of my family goes to the beach and buys a 1-day pass. I try to talk them out of it, but they don't want to spend more than 1 day at the parks.

I know very few people who spend a week at Disney. And of those that do, most go every few years or only once. Off the top of my head, I know one person who goes for a week every year.
 

ddbowdoin

Well-Known Member
I have said this before in this thread. But it bares repeating. The vast majority of people I know personally never spend more than 3 days at WDW. It's either a long weekend or part of a larger vacation. Most of my family goes to the beach and buys a 1-day pass. I try to talk them out of it, but they don't want to spend more than 1 day at the parks.

I know very few people who spend a week at Disney. And of those that do, most go every few years or only once. Off the top of my head, I know one person who goes for a week every year.

oh man, that is rough. One day and having to pick a specific park would be too much of a tease... that is just me though. Funny you write that, here in New England I rarely come across people who spend less than a week at a time.
 

Bolna

Well-Known Member
I have said this before in this thread. But it bares repeating. The vast majority of people I know personally never spend more than 3 days at WDW. It's either a long weekend or part of a larger vacation. Most of my family goes to the beach and buys a 1-day pass. I try to talk them out of it, but they don't want to spend more than 1 day at the parks.

I know very few people who spend a week at Disney. And of those that do, most go every few years or only once. Off the top of my head, I know one person who goes for a week every year.

Of course I don't have numbers, but if you look at travel packages sold here in Germany for Florida, a common thing are pre-booked "self driving" vacations which take you to different places. They all include something like one or two days in Orlando (the rest would be beach towns on both coasts, Kenedy Space Center, the Keys). From people I know here, most of those who have been to Florida would have done trips in that way. So I think that especially in the European market you will find many people who will buy one-day tickets. For them WDW is just one of the sights that Florida has to offer.
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
oh man, that is rough. One day and having to pick a specific park would be too much of a tease... that is just me though. Funny you write that, here in New England I rarely come across people who spend less than a week at a time.

Most people I know have no desire to visit DHS or DAK. To them, Magic Kingdom is the same thing as Disney World. Some have an interest in Epcot as well.

I know people who wouldn't go to Disney World if you paid them. My dad recently told me he wouldn't go to Disney World to save his soul. And he meant it.

Of course I don't have numbers, but if you look at travel packages sold here in Germany for Florida, a common thing are pre-booked "self driving" vacations which take you to different places. They all include something like one or two days in Orlando (the rest would be beach towns on both coasts, Kenedy Space Center, the Keys). From people I know here, most of those who have been to Florida would have done trips in that way. So I think that especially in the European market you will find many people who will buy one-day tickets. For them WDW is just one of the sights that Florida has to offer.

I think this is a lot more common for US tourists than most people on these forums realize. We are the minority. The majority of people don't know the difference between Disney World and Disneyland.

Bottom line: We as a community are not representative of the majority of guests at Walt Disney World. And we are even less representative of the population as a whole. While most of us would rarely buy a 1-day ticket, it's more common than you would think. Probably a lot more common.
 

rioriz

Well-Known Member
I have said this before in this thread. But it bares repeating. The vast majority of people I know personally never spend more than 3 days at WDW. It's either a long weekend or part of a larger vacation. Most of my family goes to the beach and buys a 1-day pass. I try to talk them out of it, but they don't want to spend more than 1 day at the parks.

I know very few people who spend a week at Disney. And of those that do, most go every few years or only once. Off the top of my head, I know one person who goes for a week every year.


And to contrast yours, i don't know anyone who has taken a trip recently to WDW who has only gone for 1 day...and most are first time or havent been in ages visitors...I am sure it all balances out somehow
 

lebeau

Well-Known Member
And to contrast yours, i don't know anyone who has taken a trip recently to WDW who has only gone for 1 day...and most are first time or havent been in ages visitors...I am sure it all balances out somehow

I'm sure it does. Obviously, we don't have figures or we could put this to rest pretty easily. But I think it's safe to say that people buy one-day tickets. As such, the price of one day tickets is relevant even if most of us don't buy them.
 

djlaosc

Well-Known Member
Of course I don't have numbers, but if you look at travel packages sold here in Germany for Florida, a common thing are pre-booked "self driving" vacations which take you to different places. They all include something like one or two days in Orlando (the rest would be beach towns on both coasts, Kenedy Space Center, the Keys). From people I know here, most of those who have been to Florida would have done trips in that way. So I think that especially in the European market you will find many people who will buy one-day tickets. For them WDW is just one of the sights that Florida has to offer.

In the UK, we are only sold "5 day premium", "7 day premium", "14 day ultimate" (currently the price of 7) and "21 day ultimate" tickets - that's it!

Disney's 5 Day Premium Ticket (£231/$346.50)
Disney's 5-Day Premium Tickets give you 5 days of unlimited access to:
  • 4 Walt Disney World theme parks
Plus 5 total admissions to your choice of:
  • 2 Walt Disney World water parks
  • ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex
  • DisneyQuest Indoor Interactive theme park
  • Disney's Oak Trail Golf Course
Disney's 7 Day Premium Ticket (£236/$354)
Disney's 7-Day Premium Tickets give you 7 days of unlimited access to:
  • 4 Walt Disney World theme parks
Plus 7 total admissions to your choice of:
  • 2 Walt Disney World water parks
  • ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex
  • DisneyQuest Indoor Interactive theme park
  • Disney's Oak Trail Golf Course
Disney's 14 Day Ultimate Ticket (£236/$354)
Disney's 14-Day Ultimate Tickets give you 14 days of unlimited access to:
  • 4 Walt Disney World theme parks
  • 2 Walt Disney World water parks
  • ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex
  • DisneyQuest Indoor Interactive theme park
  • Disney's Oak Trail Golf Course
Disney's 21 Day Ultimate Ticket (£274/$411)
Disney's 21-Day Ultimate Tickets give you 21 days of unlimited access to:
  • 4 Walt Disney World theme parks
  • 2 Walt Disney World water parks
  • ESPN Wide World of Sports Complex
  • DisneyQuest Indoor Interactive theme park
  • Disney's Oak Trail Golf Course
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
I wonder how WDW is generally viewed by international guests. We do get the perspectives of English-speaking guests on WDWMagic and other forums, but there are obviously large numbers of international visitors who do not understand English well enough (or do not care about the parks enough) to post on a British- or American-based fansite.

Do visitors in large tour groups, for example, care less about maintenance issues, relative dearth of new entertainment options, etc. because the focus of their trip is centered on interacting with other members of their group, and their days are tightly regimented and scheduled?

Is a WDW vacation so relatively affordable to visitors from so many different countries that such issues become virtually immaterial? (The less one spends on something, the easier it is to be satisfied with value-for-money.)

In both of the above cases, I would guess that TDO can just maintain the status quo, and continue to draw guests from international markets at a rate that satisfies the number crunchers.

(Something else I've wondered more and more, especially recently: how do visitors from Japan view WDW? I've seen increasing numbers of Japanese guests at WDW over my last several trips. Assuming that someone from Japan will already be familiar with the TDR parks, I wonder if such guests would typically be surprised and disappointed at the state of the WDW parks as compared to TDL and TDS.)

I'd really be interested in knowing the answers to these types of questions, but I would guess that the data either isn't readily available or isn't susceptible to easy interpretation, given the large number of factors involved.

I've wondered this myself. For while I've never seen an unhappy Brit at WDW or an unhappy Brazillian ... well, they have reasons to be dancing in the streets (in the latter case, usually literally!) . But I've certainly noticed an uptick in Japanese visitors and I'm quite willing to bet they've ALL been to TDR.

I would guess they would be wowed by the size of WDW and natural things, like the Lake and waterways and greenbelts ... and things like SSE or DAK. But I can imagine that they'd be incredibly disappointed by the MK and not having something on par with TDS (believe it or not, I could see DAK rating highest in that category for many visitors from Japan).

But since guests from that part of the world are such a tiny piece of the pie, I'd surmise that WDW cares about their views even less than ours ... well, except when they come and drop an obscene amount of money to be married at WDW.
 

WDW1974

Well-Known Member
Original Poster
When we lived in Orlando, my wife and I would enjoy visiting Epcot in the evenings twice a week or so after closing up shop at our business for the evening. One thing that was always enjoyable was having a nice meal at a counter-service restaurant or having a desert at Sunshine Seasons at The Land. Today, the food "choices" are homogenized and echoing what you said, mostly awful. My wife absolutely loved the strawberry shortcake that they offered at The Land. Today, not only is it about half the previous size at a much inflated price, it also isn't nearly as good in quality. The dining plan has been a disaster for anyone that actually enjoyed dining at the parks. Even take a look at the high-end restaurants on the property, same deal, lower quality, higher price, and they've even gone to essentially generic menus with all but the logo changed out on them.

But this is how Disney does things and it is something I have constantly battled here (and elsewhere) with the 'WDW has never been better crowd.'

Disney, in Orlando, works on a business model where you continually raise prices and lower quantity and quality when it comes to most everything, but certainly F&B.

My first example of this personally hitting home came over a decade ago at MK's Columbia Harbor House, which was once a favorite dining locale.

I used to love their turkey sandwich ... quality deli meat piled high on this big roll and served with high quality chips and cole slaw. Yummy! Well, Disney one day decides to cut the cole slaw (why? management at the locale said too many people were throwing it out and I could now buy it for an extra $1.99) at the same time cutting the quality of turkey, cutting the amount used by what seemed like half, and changing both the chips and roll to lower quality versions. Oh, and to top it all off they RAISED the price of the item by about $2 ... and then stuck it on a tiny plate (same as what I see with their burger baskets and the like) so it looks like the plate is running over with way too much food, not that the plate is a third smaller then what it was once served on.

It's a very smarmy, arrogant, screw-the-guest way of doing MAGICal business. And I've seen it across the board ... and to be fair, my example above came years before the DDP started.

That's why I am so amused by the folks here that would never think of driving 2-8 minutes off property and getting better food for less albeit sans the Pixie Dust.
 

RKS Taiwan

New Member
I will disagree there. In this debt loving, live well beyond means society people will load credit cards and equity lines just to go no matter the consequence.
Yikes, someone has just put the kibash on me... Scoutn757?
"In this debt loving, live well beyond means society people will load credit cards and equity lines just to go no matter the consequence."
An argument ensues... and at the end of the day, a discussion. All good
 

ScoutN

OV 104
Premium Member
Yikes, someone has just put the kibash on me... Scoutn757?
"In this debt loving, live well beyond means society people will load credit cards and equity lines just to go no matter the consequence."
An argument ensues... and at the end of the day, a discussion. All good

It was not directed at you or anyone in particular but a notion of what society loves to do with everything else so why would it change for vacation. My apologies if you thought I was directing it toward you.
 

Animaniac93-98

Well-Known Member
2011 WDW Park Attendance:

MK: 17,142,000
Epcot: 10,825,000
AK: 9,783,000
DHS: 9,699,000

Even without hard numbers (which Disney would never release) it's easy to tell some people are buying one-day tickets to create those differences. They can't all be multi-day ticket users.
 

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