“Something major” coming to DHS???

[Sirwalterraleigh]

They cant weld it together like Space Mountain?

At some point you start yanking sections to the point where wholesale replacement is more economical

 

[LSLS]

Does Forbidden Journey have a higher or lower wait now that Hagrids has opened…

And yes, Everest does have lower waits than it did.

And yes, SSE was built as an E-ticket and is still an E-ticket, but because it’s become dated, it functions now as what you all want C and D tickets to do (absorb crowds and add capacity without being a real draw).

Same with Pirates in Magic Kingdom. When it opened, people would’ve just come for it, but realistically, now it functions as D and C tickets function.

I think you’re also kidding yourself if you think a C-ticket Coco ride is not going to draw more guests than its capacity adds. Might as well make it something worth vacationing for.

C and D tickets are good to round out a land or add something smaller in between major additions, but it’s silly to want less Es in place of more C and Ds even if it’s not a 1:1 ratio.

What are you basing everest dropping in wait times on? From 2016 to 2019 saw an average increase by 12 minutes, with average max waits increasing by 20 minutes.

Again, capacity is the issue. Adding an elite attraction is not what is needed st DHS. That park needs at least a half dozen new attractions. And no, I don't think if you add a land with 4 attractions each on the level of Navi you would see a huge spike in attendance, at least not past the first 5 months or so.

 

[eddie104]

What are you basing everest dropping in wait times on? From 2016 to 2019 saw an average increase by 12 minutes, with average max waits increasing by 20 minutes.

Again, capacity is the issue. Adding an elite attraction is not what is needed st DHS. That park needs at least a half dozen new attractions. And no, I don't think if you add a land with 4 attractions each on the level of Navi you would see a huge spike in attendance, at least not past the first 5 months or so.

Huh ???

I don’t think that poster is saying that but instead referring to major E ticket level attractions.

 

[Comped]

RNRC is nearing the end of it’s useful life and will probably need a complete track replacement sooner rather than later.

Arguably it's overdue for one already!

 

[LSLS]

Huh ???

I don’t think that poster is saying that but instead referring to major E ticket level attractions.

The initial start of this I had said DHS would benefit much more from lots of B-C level attractions than 1 or maybe even 2 Es. My premise was that was where money would be better spent on more. I never wanted to compare if 1 B ride or 1 top end would be similar, it is about if using the amount of money for 1 E would be better off used for 3 smaller rides. Anyways, I think I've made my point, so I'll drop for now.

 

[Brer Panther]

Conversations have been had about retheming RNRC and Tower at DHS

Just out of curiosity, do you know what some of the pitches for these hypothetical rethemes were?

 

[Skibum1970]

At some point you start yanking sections to the point where wholesale replacement is more economical

Completely agree. Plus, I would think that it is better to just replace it in one shot and get another 20+ years out of it. The only time it makes sense to do piecemeal replacements is if one section develops a problem, such as what happened to Carowinds Fury last year.

I'm not an expert by any means but they should be able to replace the entire launch and track section in an 18 month period. Really, unless the footers cannot be reused, I would think a year at the most. Tearing the coaster out takes a month (based on watching other parks tear out coasters) and the install shouldn't be that difficult (again, unless they have to replace the footers).

 

[bmr1591]

E tickets sell tickets. Period. No one’s buying a $150 ticket to go ride Dumbo. Yes, Disney does need to build more C and D ticket attractions, but in no world should they stop building E tickets as well. Y’all saw the outcry to Journey of Water when it had to stand on its own as a new attraction.

 

[Bocabear]

The initial start of this I had said DHS would benefit much more from lots of B-C level attractions than 1 or maybe even 2 Es. My premise was that was where money would be better spent on more. I never wanted to compare if 1 B ride or 1 top end would be similar, it is about if using the amount of money for 1 E would be better off used for 3 smaller rides. Anyways, I think I've made my point, so I'll drop for now.

I don't think any of the parks need more B tickets... C and D, yes... but B tickets have been replaces with Meet & Greets...I think there are more than enough of those. People go to the parks for lots of reasons but mostly for the rides.. Old Fantasyland style rides like Mr Toad and Scary Adventures of Snow White... Those types of attractions are not an investment of hours in line... but they add so much to the day. Spinners are ok, but how many of those can you have in a park? Two different types of flight spinners (Asro Orbiter and Dumbo) and one or two Carousel type flat rides... and that is about it.... DHS currently has Swirling Saucers as their only spinner. they could add one or two more.... the rest has to be in other types of rides...

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

E tickets sell tickets. Period. No one’s buying a $150 ticket to go ride Dumbo. Yes, Disney does need to build more C and D ticket attractions, but in no world should they stop building E tickets as well. Y’all saw the outcry to Journey of Water when it had to stand on its own as a new attraction.

Rides never sold Disney tickets…

The entire package does. They aren’t ride parks. Never were and likely never will be.

That’s the flaw in the “sell tickets” theory

 

[Bocabear]

not a "rides Park" if your definition of rides is un-themed carnival rides and rollercoasters....but WDW, while a whole package, was all about their immersive rides like the Fantasyland dark rides and the more elaborate Pirates and Mansion.... as kids we didn't want to go to Disney to see characters or enjoy the landscaping...we wanted to go on Space Mountain and Pirates of the Caribbean... Now I realize times have changed since then.... and people now like meet and greets, but I think that is now covered in every park....

 

[James Alucobond]

Now I realize times have changed since then.... and people now like meet and greets, but I think that is now covered in every park....

I'm not convinced people even really like them so much as they feel compelled to get pictures with them for Facebook/Instagram/X/whatever social credit. It feels alien to me to always want to take a duck-lipped picture of yourself holding up two fingers in front of everything, but that's where we are.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

not a "rides Park" if your definition of rides is un-themed carnival rides and rollercoasters....but WDW, while a whole package, was all about their immersive rides like the Fantasyland dark rides and the more elaborate Pirates and Mansion.... as kids we didn't want to go to Disney to see characters or enjoy the landscaping...we wanted to go on Space Mountain and Pirates of the Caribbean... Now I realize times have changed since then.... and people now like meet and greets, but I think that is now covered in every park....

The rides don’t cover those fees.

You know that.
I like them as much as the next guy…but they tend to be highly overated by the diehards. Especially of late.

 

[bmr1591]

Rides never sold Disney tickets…

The entire package does. They aren’t ride parks. Never were and likely never will be.

That’s the flaw in the “sell tickets” theory

I disagree. There's a reason certain rides are all over billboards and ads. They know that certain rides make people plan trips.

 

[Tha Realest]

I disagree. There's a reason certain rides are all over billboards and ads. They know that certain rides make people plan trips.

If that were the case, then are we to presume if MK/WDW has attendance issues this summer and fall, that TBA didn’t drive attendance?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I disagree. There's a reason certain rides are all over billboards and ads. They know that certain rides make people plan trips.

You are free to disagree

 

[Andrew25]

New rides increase incremental visitors who previously would have skipped or never gone into a theme park.

Hogsmeade brought millions of visitors to a theme park they previously never considered.
Pandora brought millions of visitors into a theme park people typically skipped.

Yes, there's an entire "package" of shows/dining/attractions that draw folks into the park... but their biggest draw have always been the rides.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

New rides increase incremental visitors who previously would have skipped or never gone into a theme park.

Hogsmeade brought millions of visitors to a theme park they previously never considered.
Pandora brought millions of visitors into a theme park people typically skipped.

Yes, there's an entire "package" of shows/dining/attractions that draw folks into the park... but their biggest draw have always been the rides.

I think you’re underestimating the cost to travel to Disney parks anymore…

New rides are an important marketing tool…but “a ride” isn’t moving people to additional or first trips.

Now a massive new development? Maybe. We have one sitting off of I-4 getting topped off right now. We shall see.

But the last “major” new opening that really drove foot traffic was the potterland. Those were significant gains.

Avatar was more redistribution of wdw travelers…which they need more of…for sure.

The studios grand new visions didn’t do much. One being a gross miscalculation of a fanbase that wanted them to succeed. But such is life with Bob.

 

[SCOTLORR]

Any updates on whether or not Villains land could be coming to animation courtyard?

 

[tanc]

The best major change would be to bring back the Hunchback of Notredame show.

Jokes aside, curious of what this is. I wonder if they plan to rename the park soon as well.