Disney Irish
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Ok, then do you believe genre fatigue happens at all in movies? And I'm not talking about just you personally, I'm talking about for the general public.
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Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs
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Tony the Tigger
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As I’ve already stated, you’ve never heard me mention fatigue at all, so, no.
Tony the Tigger
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Without looking at statistics, no.
If a very good Superman, X-Men, avengers, and some other new thing I never heard of all came out in the same year, there is no reason why they can’t all do well.
Keywords there being “very good.“
It has nothing to do with their genre.
Now, if one were released every two weeks, some people will have to make choices. That’s not fatigue. That’s economics of finance as well as time.
If the films are not very good, that’s not indicative of fatigue. It’s indicative of movies with poor word of mouth.
If the films are politically attacked, that’s not fatigue, either.
If fatigue exists, I believe it has more to do with repeating the same formula. It’s a lack of creativity. When you can guess what the next line is going to be in the film, and be correct more than 50% of the time, sure that could lead to fatigue. If you know how it’s going to end when it starts, if there are no surprises, if the bad guy is a bad guy because his mommy didn’t hug him enough yet again: all those things can lead to fatigue. It still has nothing to do with the genre itself. It has to do with the formula.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I'm not going to go back and look through all your posts, but I vaguely remember you talking about fatigue during the discussions back when Solo was coming out.
And what defines "very good" though, as that is very subjective, because we've had some what I consider "very good" movies come out over the last 5-10 years but for whatever reason didn't hit at the box office. And were attributed by many here (and in the industry) as fatigue.
Tony the Tigger
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I very much doubt that. I can’t get enough Star Wars movies. Before solo came out, my only concern was it would be next to impossible to replace Harrison Ford. I was correct, but enjoyed the film. I don’t think you can give me too many Star Wars movies.
I think it’s an excuse for things like people being unhappy with Luke Skywalker, or people being unhappy with minority characters. Then Studios overreact and pull projects.
Tony the Tigger
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This is missing the point. It’s not about subjective “very good,“ but about the word of mouth and good reviews that give a film legs.
As we all know, there are plenty of very good films that don’t do well at the box office. Was there Wizard of Oz fatigue in 1939? Some things just don’t hit.
As for fatigue, you can argue that with someone else. I personally think it’s almost always overstated.
So you think what you think, I think what I think, and we all go on.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Got it so fatigue is not a thing (to you) and a good movie will win out, or it won’t, depending.This is missing the point. It’s not about subjective “very good,“ but about the word of mouth and good reviews that give a film legs.
As we all know, there are plenty of very good films that don’t do well at the box office. Was there Wizard of Oz fatigue in 1939? Some things just don’t hit.
As for fatigue, you can argue that with someone else. I personally think it’s almost always overstated.
So you think what you think, I think what I think, and we all go on.
So then when another poster discusses superhero fatigue or any other genre like action or what not I want to see you go after them just like you did me with horror.
Tony the Tigger
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I didn’t “go after” anyone. I stated my differing opinion after you made an assertion with a degree of certainty that raised an eyebrow for me.Got it so fatigue is not a thing (to you) and a good movie will win out, or it won’t, depending.
So then when another poster discusses superhero fatigue or any other genre like action or what not I want to see you go after them just like you did me with horror.
This is not my job; I have no obligation to now police the board.
I have half or more of the people posting in this thread on ignore, so if I’m not responding to others at all, that is the reason.
Disney Irish
Premium Member
Lol, ok, its just funny to me, but whatever.
Tha Realest
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there’s a debate whether superhero films are their own genre, or a sub genre of action (or whatever type of film it emulates - e.g. Winter Soldier being more akin to a Cold War thriller than a conventional action film. Personally, let’s accept superhero films are a genre. They are still performing steadily over recent years and some have done exceptionally well. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that films that have faceplanted were not regarded as good movies by critics or audiences. Thunderbolts seems an exception to this, but again, it’s the 36th film in a 15+ year span, so perhaps audiences are fatigued by Marvel (and its explosion of mediocre TV and film content) and not the genre in particular. We can test this proposition next month with Superman and FF.
This is true, and the only person who achieved the impossible was River Phoenix.
brideck
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It's interesting to me that theaters haven't really created club options for families. AMC's is only for people 13+, so if you had younger kids you'd still have to be constantly buying their tickets individually if you wanted to watch (or rewatch) stuff with them. Seems like a missed opportunity to at least make families feel more welcome, even if the economics didn't end up being a big boon to the customer.
Theaters are going to have to get creative if they want to start getting more butts in seats. I can't tell how much the studios really care, since they'll make up a good chunk of the missing $$ on the back end.
DCLcruiser
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The lesser characters looked recycled. Like they had been in Strange World, or other movies.
Willmark
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I’m just here to add I have no one on ignore, even those I disagree with.
/sarcasm
Disney Irish
Premium Member
I agree with some of what has been said recently, that "fatigue" has been used to cover up some bad movies over the years. But I do think there is only so much of a particular genre (or sub-genre) that the public is willing to consume at any one particular moment in time. As the saying goes variety is the spice of life. So for example if the only thing that audiences feels Hollywood is producing is superhero films, even if its a sub-genres (as you said) of other genres, well audiences will get burned out by it, and burned out faster if they are not really good films. Just like I think that horror is starting to get that way since Hollywood is pumping it out faster and faster due to the recent resurgence of horror hits in the mainstream.
So I do think fatigue is a real thing, just maybe that its been overblown and overused over the years. We'll see what happens over the next few months with some of these movies.
BrianLo
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Quick Stitch Check in.
946M and earned 35.7M implying 1.017B
We can see the end point coalescing now.
DisneyWarrior27
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I say Lilo & Stitch barely makes it to a billion. But it won’t be until either The Fantastic Four (which I still bet is the next 2025 billion dollar movie) or Freakier Friday comes out.
Tha Realest
Well-Known Member
Are you now including Freakier Friday in your Billion Dollar Earner club?
Animaniac93-98
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Weekend actuals are in, F1's final tally was $57 million, while HTTYD and Stitch did reach $200 million and $400 million
DisneyWarrior27
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No. Freakier Friday isn’t in that club.
BrianLo
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Anyone want to guess at the back half of the year? Acknowledging I’m terrible, but this year hasn’t been that wildly unpredictable thus far from our consensus six months ago.
1) Fire and Ash. ?1.75B
A still large number, smaller than Way of Water. Some inane week of debate about how troubled it is before the holidays have actually been allowed to play out and international dump trucks of money show up.
2) Zootopia 2 - A 1B squeak ala Moana 2. I’m prepared to be Wildly off the mark by 300-500M in either direction and it wouldn’t be surprising. Another one where International is what will make the final call.
3) Fantastic Four - 750M.
4) Tron - bombs spectacularly. Maybe even loses more money that Snow White.
5) Freakier Friday - ?150M, A modest sum for its budget. Troubled if the budget is much over 50M.
1) Fire and Ash. ?1.75B
A still large number, smaller than Way of Water. Some inane week of debate about how troubled it is before the holidays have actually been allowed to play out and international dump trucks of money show up.
2) Zootopia 2 - A 1B squeak ala Moana 2. I’m prepared to be Wildly off the mark by 300-500M in either direction and it wouldn’t be surprising. Another one where International is what will make the final call.
3) Fantastic Four - 750M.
4) Tron - bombs spectacularly. Maybe even loses more money that Snow White.
5) Freakier Friday - ?150M, A modest sum for its budget. Troubled if the budget is much over 50M.