Disney (and others) at the Box Office - Current State of Affairs

Disney Irish

Premium Member
It’s a guess, but I don’t think it’s safe to say.

None of these films have anything in common except their genre.

Horror movies have been consistently released for decades. Now suddenly we’re fatigued?

As always, better ones with broader appeal do better.
So wait why is other genres like superhero and such talked about in terms of fatigue when there is a glut of movies but not horror? Why is everyone so quick to defend horror against fatigue talk but so quick to claim other genres have fatigue? Can it not get fatigue like any other genre? And with 90 horror movies being released this year alone is that not too much into the marketplace that can lead to fatigue?
 

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
So wait why is other genres like superhero and such talked about in terms of fatigue when there is a glut of movies but not horror? Why is everyone so quick to defend horror against fatigue talk but so quick to claim other genres have fatigue? Can it not get fatigue like any other genre? And with 90 horror movies being released this year alone is that not too much into the marketplace that can lead to fatigue?
You ever hear me claim fatigue of anything?
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
You ever hear me claim fatigue of anything?
I’m not speaking specifically about you. So the point still stands.

The questions then to you specifically, do you feel there is too much horror being released to the market? And if yes do you think it has a negative effect on the genres potential earnings for the year? Or do you feel that it’s still each movie independent to each other? And if that is the take on it does genre even matter at that point? And to expand on that how does that factor into the limited amount the overall audience is willing to spend on movies in general?
 

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
Ok, so then do you feel there is any particular genre that is being released too much to the market? And if yes then why is that considered too much and horror not?

Bottom line, I'm trying to figure out why horror seems to be defended (not particularly by you) more than any other genre.
As I’ve already stated, you’ve never heard me mention fatigue at all, so, no.
 

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
Ok, then do you believe genre fatigue happens at all in movies? And I'm not talking about just you personally, I'm talking about for the general public.
Without looking at statistics, no.

If a very good Superman, X-Men, avengers, and some other new thing I never heard of all came out in the same year, there is no reason why they can’t all do well.

Keywords there being “very good.“

It has nothing to do with their genre.

Now, if one were released every two weeks, some people will have to make choices. That’s not fatigue. That’s economics of finance as well as time.

If the films are not very good, that’s not indicative of fatigue. It’s indicative of movies with poor word of mouth.

If the films are politically attacked, that’s not fatigue, either.

If fatigue exists, I believe it has more to do with repeating the same formula. It’s a lack of creativity. When you can guess what the next line is going to be in the film, and be correct more than 50% of the time, sure that could lead to fatigue. If you know how it’s going to end when it starts, if there are no surprises, if the bad guy is a bad guy because his mommy didn’t hug him enough yet again: all those things can lead to fatigue. It still has nothing to do with the genre itself. It has to do with the formula.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
As I’ve already stated, you’ve never heard me mention fatigue at all, so, no.
I'm not going to go back and look through all your posts, but I vaguely remember you talking about fatigue during the discussions back when Solo was coming out.

Without looking at statistics, no.

If a very good Superman, X-Men, avengers, and some other new thing I never heard of all came out in the same year, there is no reason why they can’t all do well.

Keywords there being “very good.“

It has nothing to do with their genre.

Now, if one were released every two weeks, some people will have to make choices. That’s not fatigue. That’s economics of finance as well as time.

If the films are not very good, that’s not indicative of fatigue. It’s indicative of movies with poor word of mouth.

If the films are politically attacked, that’s not fatigue, either.

If fatigue exists, I believe it has more to do with repeating the same formula. It’s a lack of creativity. When you can guess what the next line is going to be in the film, and be correct more than 50% of the time, sure that could lead to fatigue. If you know how it’s going to end when it starts, if there are no surprises, if the bad guy is a bad guy because his mommy didn’t hug him enough yet again: all those things can lead to fatigue. It still has nothing to do with the genre itself. It has to do with the formula.
And what defines "very good" though, as that is very subjective, because we've had some what I consider "very good" movies come out over the last 5-10 years but for whatever reason didn't hit at the box office. And were attributed by many here (and in the industry) as fatigue.
 

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
I'm not going to go back and look through all your posts, but I vaguely remember you talking about fatigue during the discussions back when Solo was coming out.
I very much doubt that. I can’t get enough Star Wars movies. Before solo came out, my only concern was it would be next to impossible to replace Harrison Ford. I was correct, but enjoyed the film. I don’t think you can give me too many Star Wars movies.

I think it’s an excuse for things like people being unhappy with Luke Skywalker, or people being unhappy with minority characters. Then Studios overreact and pull projects.
 

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
I'm not going to go back and look through all your posts, but I vaguely remember you talking about fatigue during the discussions back when Solo was coming out.


And what defines "very good" though, as that is very subjective, because we've had some what I consider "very good" movies come out over the last 5-10 years but for whatever reason didn't hit at the box office. And were attributed by many here (and in the industry) as fatigue.
This is missing the point. It’s not about subjective “very good,“ but about the word of mouth and good reviews that give a film legs.

As we all know, there are plenty of very good films that don’t do well at the box office. Was there Wizard of Oz fatigue in 1939? Some things just don’t hit.

As for fatigue, you can argue that with someone else. I personally think it’s almost always overstated.

So you think what you think, I think what I think, and we all go on. 👍🏻👍🏻
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
This is missing the point. It’s not about subjective “very good,“ but about the word of mouth and good reviews that give a film legs.

As we all know, there are plenty of very good films that don’t do well at the box office. Was there Wizard of Oz fatigue in 1939? Some things just don’t hit.

As for fatigue, you can argue that with someone else. I personally think it’s almost always overstated.

So you think what you think, I think what I think, and we all go on. 👍🏻👍🏻
Got it so fatigue is not a thing (to you) and a good movie will win out, or it won’t, depending.

So then when another poster discusses superhero fatigue or any other genre like action or what not I want to see you go after them just like you did me with horror. ;)
 

Tony the Tigger

Well-Known Member
Got it so fatigue is not a thing (to you) and a good movie will win out, or it won’t, depending.

So then when another poster discusses superhero fatigue or any other genre like action or what not I want to see you go after them just like you did me with horror. ;)
I didn’t “go after” anyone. I stated my differing opinion after you made an assertion with a degree of certainty that raised an eyebrow for me.

This is not my job; I have no obligation to now police the board.

I have half or more of the people posting in this thread on ignore, so if I’m not responding to others at all, that is the reason.
 

Disney Irish

Premium Member
I didn’t “go after” anyone. I stated my differing opinion after you made an assertion with a degree of certainty that raised an eyebrow for me.

This is not my job; I have no obligation to now police the board.

I have half or more of the people posting in this thread on ignore, so if I’m not responding to others at all, that is the reason.
Lol, ok, its just funny to me, but whatever.
 

Tha Realest

Well-Known Member
So wait why is other genres like superhero and such talked about in terms of fatigue when there is a glut of movies but not horror? Why is everyone so quick to defend horror against fatigue talk but so quick to claim other genres have fatigue? Can it not get fatigue like any other genre? And with 90 horror movies being released this year alone is that not too much into the marketplace that can lead to fatigue?
there’s a debate whether superhero films are their own genre, or a sub genre of action (or whatever type of film it emulates - e.g. Winter Soldier being more akin to a Cold War thriller than a conventional action film. Personally, let’s accept superhero films are a genre. They are still performing steadily over recent years and some have done exceptionally well. I don’t think it’s a coincidence that films that have faceplanted were not regarded as good movies by critics or audiences. Thunderbolts seems an exception to this, but again, it’s the 36th film in a 15+ year span, so perhaps audiences are fatigued by Marvel (and its explosion of mediocre TV and film content) and not the genre in particular. We can test this proposition next month with Superman and FF.
Before solo came out, my only concern was it would be next to impossible to replace Harrison Ford.
This is true, and the only person who achieved the impossible was River Phoenix.
 

brideck

Well-Known Member
As I always say….we find it is the cheapest form of entertainment for us…but we don’t usually buy concessions…. We will sneak in a drink…thanks to my wife’s purse….As we go to see the movies themselves… as we are both movie people and will watch anything from small Indy’s to huge blockbusters…. We also belong to our local chain’s movie club…. Which is 10.00 day or night… so it’s only $20.00 for the 2 of us…. But I can see how it might add up for families

It's interesting to me that theaters haven't really created club options for families. AMC's is only for people 13+, so if you had younger kids you'd still have to be constantly buying their tickets individually if you wanted to watch (or rewatch) stuff with them. Seems like a missed opportunity to at least make families feel more welcome, even if the economics didn't end up being a big boon to the customer.

Theaters are going to have to get creative if they want to start getting more butts in seats. I can't tell how much the studios really care, since they'll make up a good chunk of the missing $$ on the back end.
 

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