MK The Hall of Presidents closing for refurbishment on January 20, 2025

[MisterPenguin]

Agreed. I bash "Gen Z" a lot, but what I wouldn't give to be a teenager again going to WDW!

Well... most of these generational labels are hogwash.

Yes, a generation that grew up on broadcast TV and one that grew up on VHS and cable and one that grew up on streaming will have different attitudes to content-consumption.

But that doesn't make one of those generations more industrious or lazy; kinder or meaner; thoughtful or capricious; etc...

Social scientists can't find such distinctions in the generations with regard to personality types and traits.

These so-called traits that one generation has that the other doesn't is more akin to astrology trying to define what Leos are like compared to Virgos (i.e., hogwash).

Generations have different experiences, not different traits. And within any one generation you'll find people in that generation that don't adhere to the stereotypes of them.

So, assuming someone has a particular trait because they're of a certain generation is just bigotry.

Now get off my lawn.

 

[solidyne]

Well... most of these generational labels are hogwash.

Yes, a generation that grew up on broadcast TV and one that grew up on VHS and cable and one that grew up on streaming will have different attitudes to content-consumption.

But that doesn't make one of those generations more industrious or lazy; kinder or meaner; thoughtful or capricious; etc...

Social scientists can't find such distinctions in the generations with regard to personality types and traits.

These so-called traits that one generation has that the other doesn't is more akin to astrology trying to define what Leos are like compared to Virgos (i.e., hogwash).

Generations have different experiences, not different traits. And within any one generation you'll find people in that generation that don't adhere to the stereotypes of them.

So, assuming someone has a particular trait because they're of a certain generation is just bigotry.

Now get off my lawn.

Um, hence my scare quotes. Also my confessed "bashing" is a kind of admission of guilt.

 

[Ayla]

Well... most of these generational labels are hogwash.

Yes, a generation that grew up on broadcast TV and one that grew up on VHS and cable and one that grew up on streaming will have different attitudes to content-consumption.

But that doesn't make one of those generations more industrious or lazy; kinder or meaner; thoughtful or capricious; etc...

Social scientists can't find such distinctions in the generations with regard to personality types and traits.

These so-called traits that one generation has that the other doesn't is more akin to astrology trying to define what Leos are like compared to Virgos (i.e., hogwash).

Generations have different experiences, not different traits. And within any one generation you'll find people in that generation that don't adhere to the stereotypes of them.

So, assuming someone has a particular trait because they're of a certain generation is just bigotry.

Now get off my lawn.

Different experiences produce different traits.

 

[The Mom]

Please stay on topic, and remember no politics or social issues, please.

 

[Dranth]

Let me preface this by saying I really like the HoP, at least when there aren't people in there ruining it for others, but times have changed and it just isn't as appealing to folks these days.

Ignore everything else for a moment and just look at it from a business perspective. It is in a prime area of the park with high traffic that seems to sit half empty all day. It receives some of the lowest guest scores out of all the attractions at the MK coming in tied with Magic Carpets of Aladdin. Think about that a minute, overall guests like Aladdin just as much as HoP.

So why not target Aladdin instead of HoP? Easy, HoP is a large enough space to make a difference.

Just looking at a list of all the attractions that are still operational at the MK that have the same or lower guest rating as HoP (according to TP) we have:

• HoP - 3.8
• Tom Sawyer Island - 3.8 (being replaced)
• Magic Carpets of Aladdin - 3.8
• Swiss Family Treehouse - 3.5
• Liberty Square Riverboat - 3.7 (being replaced)
• Barnstormer - 3.6
• Tomorrowland Speedway - 3.5
• Astro Orbiter - 3.5

Of those that are not already being replaced, only one would have an equal or larger impact and that is the Tomorrowland Speedway. Everything else is either too small a footprint or serves a very specific niche (Barnstormer as a kid’s coaster for example).

Seems like it is just a matter of time to me.

 

[Bocabear]

I would think the completely shuttered Stitch's Great Escape would be a higher priority as it stands at the entrance to Tomorrowland... And move Monsters INC while they are at it over to the new Monstropolis at DHS. Between those two attractions it is a lot of space to work with...and frankly the Speedway needs to be a better attraction or be redeveloped.... to me, those are more pressing than HOP...

 

[Disstevefan1]

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Not sure if we trust the word of a thief, but here you go:

audio teams regularly test with music other than what will be used in the actual show. This doesn’t mean anything.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I would think the completely shuttered Stitch's Great Escape would be a higher priority as it stands at the entrance to Tomorrowland... And move Monsters INC while they are at it over to the new Monstropolis at DHS. Between those two attractions it is a lot of space to work with...and frankly the Speedway needs to be a better attraction or be redeveloped.... to me, those are more pressing than HOP...

I have always wondered if there is some sort of tax benefit to have a space that was “on stage” shuttered and is no longer part of “on stage”? Sort of like undeveloped land it taxed less than developed land.

I wonder if on stage space is taxed more than off stage/back stage space, thereby, Disney benefits tax wise by keeping space shuttered beyond the normal staff and maintenance savings?

 

[Bocabear]

I have always wondered if there is some sort of tax benefit to have a space that was “on stage” shuttered and is no longer part of “on stage”? Sort of like undeveloped land it taxed less than developed land.

I wonder if on stage space is taxed more than off stage/back stage space, thereby, Disney benefits tax wise by keeping space shuttered beyond the normal staff and maintenance savings?

I would think once the land is developed ,it is taxed as such....so used or not used currently it would be taxed the same...if they are using it as a break area or for storage it is still being used, and still developed.... Now if it were raked from the earth and turned into agricultural land.....well then they might be on to something....lol

 

[Captain Barbossa]

but William Henry Harrison’s “Circle of Life” should be featured.

Will it be as short as his presidency?



Fun fact: I’m actually related to both him and Benjamin. William was first cousins with one of my great great great etc. grandparents.

 

[Disstevefan1]

I would think once the land is developed ,it is taxed as such....so used or not used currently it would be taxed the same...if they are using it as a break area or for storage it is still being used, and still developed.... Now if it were raked from the earth and turned into agricultural land.....well then they might be on to something....lol

Yes, this makes sense.

So shuttered attractions is just Disney doing Disney.

 

[EagleScout610]

Not sure if we trust the word of a thief, but here you go:

A rousing chorus of Can't Wait to be King by all the vice presidents?

 

[Goofyernmost]

I have always wondered if there is some sort of tax benefit to have a space that was “on stage” shuttered and is no longer part of “on stage”? Sort of like undeveloped land it taxed less than developed land.

I wonder if on stage space is taxed more than off stage/back stage space, thereby, Disney benefits tax wise by keeping space shuttered beyond the normal staff and maintenance savings?

I'm pretty sure that building and all that surround it were depreciated out of any tax benefit probably 40 years ago. However, now since it can't really be considered profit building it will be nothing more that an expense of operation of the entire complex and therefore is now considered just maintenance expense which is deductible for tax purposes. So, for them it's better off empty than making it part of the profit scenario. Having it operational wouldn't change the bottom line, because there are no CM's manning the place so it is pure expense at this point.

 

[jannerUK]

What is the likelyhood that this will open in the Summer of 2025. How long have refurbs taken in the past?

 

[Disstevefan1]

I'm pretty sure that building and all that surround it were depreciated out of any tax benefit probably 40 years ago. However, now since it can't really be considered profit building it will be nothing more that an expense of operation of the entire complex and therefore is now considered just maintenance expense which is deductible for tax purposes. So, for them it's better off empty than making it part of the profit scenario. Having it operational wouldn't change the bottom line, because there are no CM's manning the place so it is pure expense at this point.

I suspected there was an advantage (for Disney ) to keep it shuttered.

For the paying guests, not so much.

 

[Disstevefan1]

The attraction doesn't give a partisan opinion. It discusses the office of the president and its importance to the American system. That people are unable to sit through the show in reverence any longer without making snide remarks aloud actually says a lot more about their inability to not "bring politics to the dinner table" than it does about the show making any sort of objectionable political point.

Nominee for the best post of 2025

 

[RSoxNo1]

Circle of Life playing is just a relic of the DACS system playing audio from the old Legend of the Lion King building. It used to share a building with Hall of Presidents.

 

[RSoxNo1]

The attraction doesn't give a partisan opinion. It discusses the office of the president and its importance to the American system. That people are unable to sit through the show in reverence any longer without making snide remarks aloud actually says a lot more about their inability to not "bring politics to the dinner table" than it does about the show making any sort of objectionable political point.

I don't disagree, but we have devolved far enough as a society where we're no longer mature enough for this show. We can't put it in context, and for as long as it remains operational, it will be the most divisive attraction in any Disney park.

 

[PizzaPlanet]

It it really that divisive in the real world though? I’ve never witnessed any kind of disruption from guests in person.