Man Accused of Stealing Buzzy's Clothing from Disney World Arrested

DreamfinderGuy

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You were just telling us how close you’ve been to all of this and it shouldn’t be believed…
I’m not sure what more you want from me, I openly said I don’t have any hard facts to present and I’m not asking anybody to believe me. We’re not getting any kind of closure on this case, so everybody can make their inferences based on the facts presented to them. This is mine based on what has been presented to me.
We’re talking about yesterday and today…
The posts you quoted are from August 2019 and today. Nothing has changed about my beliefs between now and yesterday
 

OrlandoRising

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Dude, those posts are five and a half years old. I was 15 and parroting whatever came through my messages. Obviously if the police searched Central Shops and there’s an official report saying he was never there that’s grounds to change your min
I’m sorry, is this supposed to make you seem credible? You just parroted whatever came through your messages?
 

DreamfinderGuy

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I’m sorry, is this supposed to make you seem credible? You just parroted whatever came through your messages?
I was fifteen years old and I thought the people I was talking to were credible. You know what happened? Dave said he was in Central Shops, the community trusted Dave, the police report came out saying he wasn't there, and people quit trusting Dave on this story, myself included.

I'm sure as a "real journalist" or whatever you've been using to try and discredit anybody else that wants to cover this story you can understand a source previously seen as credible going sour on you. Luckily I'm not trying to be a journalist, I'm just a guy who happened to get stuck in the middle of a big story. I will gladly eat crow if you solve the case and I'm dead wrong.
 

Goofyernmost

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If Disney did have it by now it is finely integrated with the remains of the subs from the 20k Leagues attraction. The graveyard which at this point consists of rusted bits and pieces. Even if it has gone back to nature, except for the probably crime of stealing an expensive robot, if Disney wanted to revive him I'm sure they still have the intricate plans someplace where they could rebuild it, exactly like before, if they wanted to do so. The thing to be accepted is that they have no intention of ever bringing Buzzy back to life. He is history and is now worth only the sum of it's parts.
 

DreamfinderGuy

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If Disney did have it by now it is finely integrated with the remains of the subs from the 20k Leagues attraction. The graveyard which at this point consists of rusted bits and pieces. Even if it has gone back to nature, except for the probably crime of stealing an expensive robot, if Disney wanted to revive him I'm sure they still have the intricate plans someplace where they could rebuild it, exactly like before, if they wanted to do so. The thing to be accepted is that they have no intention of ever bringing Buzzy back to life. He is history and is now worth only the sum of it's parts.
They absolutely still have all the documentation to make a 1:1 replica, just not really a reason to do so. Only a handful of retired figures are kept around because they're historical artifacts they can trot out every once in a while. Buzzy was never particularly iconic, and only now is because of this case. No incentive to revive him.
 

EagleScout610

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They absolutely still have all the documentation to make a 1:1 replica, just not really a reason to do so. Only a handful of retired figures are kept around because they're historical artifacts they can trot out every once in a while. Buzzy was never particularly iconic, and only now is because of this case. No incentive to revive him.
I have no doubt there was at least one person within Disney who either asked "...who?" when told Buzzy went missing or assumed they were talking about Buzz Lightyear.
 

OrlandoRising

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I was fifteen years old and I thought the people I was talking to were credible. You know what happened? Dave said he was in Central Shops, the community trusted Dave, the police report came out saying he wasn't there, and people quit trusting Dave on this story, myself included.

I'm sure as a "real journalist" or whatever you've been using to try and discredit anybody else that wants to cover this story you can understand a source previously seen as credible going sour on you. Luckily I'm not trying to be a journalist, I'm just a guy who happened to get stuck in the middle of a big story. I will gladly eat crow if you solve the case and I'm dead wrong.
But you're still pushing the narrative that the theft possibly never occurred and Disney has had it the whole time -- with no evidence offered.

You're the one discrediting yourself here by pushing claims that either have no evidence or are contradicted by police records. Then you try to change the subject to portray me as acting like I know who committed the theft or where Buzzy ended up -- which I have not and would not claim to know. I'm saying the theft happened, because that's what real evidence like the police records state.

And then you seem to simultaneously want to be treated as a legitimate source of information on this topic while also claiming you're not accountable for this baseless speculation or having been proven wrong in the past. You don't see the disconnect there?

This is one of the reasons I'm quite skeptical about "Stolen Kingdom."
 

Tha Realest

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But you're still pushing the narrative that the theft possibly never occurred and Disney has had it the whole time -- with no evidence offered.

You're the one discrediting yourself here by pushing claims that either have no evidence or are contradicted by police records. Then you try to change the subject to portray me as acting like I know who committed the theft or where Buzzy ended up -- which I have not and would not claim to know. I'm saying the theft happened, because that's what real evidence like the police records state.

And then you seem to simultaneously want to be treated as a legitimate source of information on this topic while also claiming you're not accountable for this baseless speculation or having been proven wrong in the past. You don't see the disconnect there?

This is one of the reasons I'm quite skeptical about "Stolen Kingdom."
You seem to be very emotional about this topic. Why is this?
 

DreamfinderGuy

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But you're still pushing the narrative that the theft possibly never occurred and Disney has had it the whole time -- with no evidence offered.
I am, and as mentioned before I really don't care whether anybody believes me or not. I am sharing my belief based on what has been presented to me. There is no evidence to confirm or deny anybody's theories, all we know is that it went missing and a police report was filed.
But you're still pushing the narrative that the theft possibly never occurred and Disney has had it the whole time -- with no evidence offered.

You're the one discrediting yourself here by pushing claims that either have no evidence or are contradicted by police records. Then you try to change the subject to portray me as acting like I know who committed the theft or where Buzzy ended up -- which I have not and would not claim to know. I'm saying the theft happened, because that's what real evidence like the police records state.
Nothing I've said has been contradicted by police records, unless you are caught up with posts from half a decade ago which predate police records being made publicly available. I'm also not claiming you know anything other than what's on police records, because I know pulling those records is all you've done regarding this case.
And then you seem to simultaneously want to be treated as a legitimate source of information on this topic while also claiming you're not accountable for this baseless speculation or having been proven wrong in the past. You don't see the disconnect there?
I'll own up to being wrong. I was fed bad info five years ago by people I no longer trust. I'm not sure how you have interpreted anything I've said as dodging accountability. I have spent several years now correcting actual verifiable misinformation on this case, including inaccuracies in the police reports, which is why people see me as a legitimate source of information. It's also why I don't talk in certainties regarding what happened after the figure was removed because we have no certainties other than an investigation took place.
This is one of the reasons I'm quite skeptical about "Stolen Kingdom."
It's out, you can go watch it now. Eager to hear what you think because I know you have spent years saying you're skeptical of it.
 

lazyboy97o

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Nothing I've said has been contradicted by police records,
I have spent several years now correcting actual verifiable misinformation on this case, including inaccuracies in the police reports, which is why people see me as a legitimate source of information.
Which is it? How are the police reports inaccurate but not contradictory to your claims? What exactly are your current claims?
 

Ayla

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I am, and as mentioned before I really don't care whether anybody believes me or not. I am sharing my belief based on what has been presented to me. There is no evidence to confirm or deny anybody's theories, all we know is that it went missing and a police report was filed.

Nothing I've said has been contradicted by police records, unless you are caught up with posts from half a decade ago which predate police records being made publicly available. I'm also not claiming you know anything other than what's on police records, because I know pulling those records is all you've done regarding this case.

I'll own up to being wrong. I was fed bad info five years ago by people I no longer trust. I'm not sure how you have interpreted anything I've said as dodging accountability. I have spent several years now correcting actual verifiable misinformation on this case, including inaccuracies in the police reports, which is why people see me as a legitimate source of information. It's also why I don't talk in certainties regarding what happened after the figure was removed because we have no certainties other than an investigation took place.

It's out, you can go watch it now. Eager to hear what you think because I know you have spent years saying you're skeptical of it.
No one sees you as a legitimate source of information. And if they do, that’s their first mistake.
 

DreamfinderGuy

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Which is it? How are the police reports inaccurate but not contradictory to your claims? What exactly are your current claims?
The clothes police report stated his original red jacket was stolen, which hasn't been in the building since 1989, his rubber hands were stolen, which haven't been in the building since the early 1990s, and that the clothes theft occurred in August when it occurred in July. So yes, the police reports have been wrong.
No one sees you as a legitimate source of information. And if they do, that’s their first mistake.
I will reiterate that I have been attached to this case longer than anybody else here and have been regularly fighting misinformation surrounding it, but nobody's forcing you to believe me. I can back up any claim I state as factual with evidence, and have several times.
 

DreamfinderGuy

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You seem to be very emotional about this topic. Why is this?
It's because they've wanted this to be "their story" for the last six years because they've made some public records requests. It has been a very long history of baseless jabs against me, my friends, and the Stolen Kingdom doc because we haven't been working with them.
 

Goofyernmost

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But you're still pushing the narrative that the theft possibly never occurred and Disney has had it the whole time -- with no evidence offered.

You're the one discrediting yourself here by pushing claims that either have no evidence or are contradicted by police records. Then you try to change the subject to portray me as acting like I know who committed the theft or where Buzzy ended up -- which I have not and would not claim to know. I'm saying the theft happened, because that's what real evidence like the police records state.

And then you seem to simultaneously want to be treated as a legitimate source of information on this topic while also claiming you're not accountable for this baseless speculation or having been proven wrong in the past. You don't see the disconnect there?

This is one of the reasons I'm quite skeptical about "Stolen Kingdom."
I understand your passion for the topic, but let me say this. It is said that because there is no solid, irrefutable evidence that Buzz was stolen there is likewise no irrefutable evidence that he wasn't. You have to find the body, like humans, before you can say that he was taken by someone else. Inuendo and likelihood is not evidence it is just conjecture and circumstantial evidence. My conjecture is that it could be either. It isn't unusual for Disney to do their quick change stuff in the middle of the night, what is unusual is that with a staff on duty cleaning up the parks and making mechanical changes all night long, how could it have been done without anyone seeing or hearing anything. Also, like a mystery show the fact that there were maintenance people around every night of the year that no one would have paid any attention to a pick up or van being present within the park.

Police reports are not evidence unless they catch the thief, which they haven't so you decide because it doesn't really matter what any of us in a chat room think. If memory serves me the removal of Buzzy was left with cut lines, fluid on the floor and a very unprofessional scene leading one to think it was stolen, which it might have been, but again pure conjecture. Find the body and you find the thief if there is one, but it is also possible that Buzzy sleeps with the fishes along with the subs. Either way, Buzzy is now and ever shall be history, with a slightly more amusing ending.
 

Tha Realest

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It's because they've wanted this to be "their story" for the last six years because they've made some public records requests. It has been a very long history of baseless jabs against me, my friends, and the Stolen Kingdom doc because we haven't been working with them.
Yeah, it feels overly personal and sour gripes that s/he is not the one telling this story. Or, rather, they’ve told their story and no one’s bothered to listen.
 

OrlandoRising

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It's because they've wanted this to be "their story" for the last six years because they've made some public records requests. It has been a very long history of baseless jabs against me, my friends, and the Stolen Kingdom doc because we haven't been working with them.
When have I ever said this should be “my story?” I never have.

Yes, I did do plenty of reporting on it, all for a side gig that’s just a hobby, and because of that work, we have records and information we wouldn’t otherwise have. I don't know why you have a dismissive attitude towards that kind of work and its value. It's thanks to journalists following up on tips with these record requests that proved this whole story was more than just rumors.

I’m even referenced in the police report investigating Dave Ensign’s claims about Buzzy being in Central Shops because I was first to do some digging on that claim with my sources. So yeah, I think I've earned some right to speak about this topic.

I’ve spread no baseless claims about the doc, just my real concerns about the narrative I’ve heard it’s pushing.

My main concern is this story is done justice, perhaps in a way that spurs some public pressure so we can find out exactly who stole Buzzy and how.

The fact the we’re back to relitigating whether the theft even happened, when it did, that's what I’m worried about. The doc could waste a unique opportunity by asking all the wrong questions.
 
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Kara24601

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Buzzy sans hat and gloves :(
 

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