News Disney mask policy at Walt Disney World theme parks

[Trauma]

Repeat after me. Outdoor transmission is not a thing.

Again.

Outdoor.
Transmission.
Is.
Not.
A.
Thing.

COVID spreads indoors. That's been demonstrated in numerous studies because it aeresolizes and hangs around. It would make no sense to require masks at fireworks or other outdoor settings. It makes plenty of sense indoors at attractions.

It doesn’t spread indoors that has tables or a bar present.

 

[nickys]

Good for you. If you enjoyed it in theses conditions you have little expectations or maybe it was your first time there?

We’ve been numerous times to DLP, WDW and DL. My expectations are possibly as high as they come, as many around here would vouch for.

Ever thought of making a video (or two hundred of them) on these trips?

 

[mikejs78]

It doesn’t spread indoors that has tables or a bar present.

Yes, it does. It can be mitigated by servers wearing masks and tables distanced.

 

[Trauma]

Yes, it does. It can be mitigated by servers wearing masks and tables distanced.

Sorry, I have extremely low chance of contracting Covid to begin with and even if I do my chances of severe Covid or death are lower still.

I don’t need people pointlessly wearing masks around me to make me feel better, I can just read the report the CDC themselves put forth.

My Moderna works.

Why do we continue to subscribe to this irrational fear to the point where arbitrary masking policy’s are looked at as anything other than a farce?

 

[Disone]

It doesn’t spread indoors that has tables or a bar present.

Unfortunately yes it does. And if you're trying to point out a weakness in Disney's policy than I agree with you. They are no longer social distancing the tables inside of their restaurants and to me that's an issue. For that reason I am currently not dining indoors at Walt Disney World.

The table service needs to have an outdoor section or if it's quick service I'll just go and grab my food and find a place to eat outside.

 

[Disone]

Repeat after me. Outdoor transmission is not a thing.

Again.

Outdoor.
Transmission.
Is.
Not.
A.
Thing.

COVID spreads indoors. That's been demonstrated in numerous studies because it aeresolizes and hangs around. It would make no sense to require masks at fireworks or other outdoor settings. It makes plenty of sense indoors at attractions.

Double posting this because I feel so many people just don't get this. Thank you for posting this.

Ever been inside of a hotel room where a guest has smoked in it for 5 minutes? Smoke smell is everywhere. Extremely hard to get out of the room. Ever been to an outdoor smoking area that's had hundreds of people smoking in it but currently has none? Unless you're standing by the ashtray it doesn't smell anywhere near as bad as that hotel room. Why? Because it is outdoors. Now imagine the virus being and invisible and non-smelly version of tobacco smoke.

 

[Rescue Ranger]

Cmon man, we have to do everything we can to reduce the risk !

If we don’t mask up sometimes, no matter how arbitrary, how do we show others how much we care?

If I can’t show how much I care, in tandem with having others that I can look down on from on high, do I have any value at all?

Repeat after me. Outdoor transmission is not a thing.

Again.

Outdoor.
Transmission.
Is.
Not.
A.
Thing.

COVID spreads indoors. That's been demonstrated in numerous studies because it aeresolizes and hangs around. It would make no sense to require masks at fireworks or other outdoor settings. It makes plenty of sense indoors at attractions.

I'm fully vaccinated. I always wear my mask. That's not the point. And I kindly disagree.

If I'm outside smacked up against another person or perosns on each side of me and they just so happen to have covid and cough in my face, because I'm outside I magically can't get it? Yet indoors on a ride with someone 10 feet away from me is more risky?

Sorry, I don't see it that way. Even if I am in Disney. They should just make masks mandatory in ALL lines/queues inside or outside.

 

[Trauma]

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I'm fully vaccinated. I always wear my mask. That's not the point. And I kindly disagree.

If I'm outside smacked up against another person or perosns on each side of me and they just so happen to have covid and cough in my face, because I'm outside I magically can't get it? Yet indoors on a ride with someone 10 feet away from me is more risky?

Sorry, I don't see it that way. Even if I am in Disney. They should just make masks mandatory in ALL lines/queues inside or outside.

Why should everyone have to do what makes you comfortable when your risk assessment is irrational ?

 

[Trauma]

Double posting this because I feel so many people just don't get this. Thank you for posting this.

Ever been inside of a hotel room where a guest has smoked in it for 5 minutes? Smoke smell is everywhere. Extremely hard to get out of the room. Ever been to an outdoor smoking area that's had hundreds of people smoking in it but currently has none? Unless you're standing by the ashtray it doesn't smell anywhere near as bad as that hotel room. Why? Because it is outdoors. Now imagine the virus being and invisible and smelly version of tobacco smoke.

Wow really is that how it works?

Could you draw me a picture?

 

[King Racoon 77]

 

[mikejs78]

I'm fully vaccinated. I always wear my mask. That's not the point. And I kindly disagree.

If I'm outside smacked up against another person or perosns on each side of me and they just so happen to have covid and cough in my face, because I'm outside I magically can't get it? Yet indoors on a ride with someone 10 feet away from me is more risky?

Sorry, I don't see it that way. Even if I am in Disney. They should just make masks mandatory in ALL lines/queues inside or outside.

I mean, you can feel that way, but the data doesn't support it. There is more risk with someone 10 feet away indoors than outdoors. That's why I'm in favor of Disney's current policy, although the restaurant situation could be better. Is it possible to get infected outdoors? Of course. Is it likely? Not at all.

Of course you are free to where a mask wherever you feel comfortable.

Y

Why should everyone have to do what makes you comfortable when your risk assessment is irrational ?

I mean, I agree but that's what your doing as well. The data is pretty clear about where and when spread happens and what can be done to mitigate that spread.

 

[Trauma]

I mean, you can feel that way, but the data doesn't support it. There is more risk with someone 10 feet away indoors than outdoors. That's why I'm in favor of Disney's current policy, although the restaurant situation could be better. Is it possible to get infected outdoors? Of course. Is it likely? Not at all.

Of course you are free to where a mask wherever you feel comfortable.



I mean, I agree but that's what your doing as well. The data is pretty clear about where and when spread happens and what can be done to mitigate that spread.

Mike I’m going back and forth with you because I’m really trying to understand this. I think you make great points and I know they come from a good place so I’m not trying to attack you. I’m trying to understand.

I’m fully vaccinated with Moderna.

You keep making the point that spread occurs indoors. Yes I agree , so let’s set this as common ground.

Why do I care?

Im not at risk.

Sorry I don’t accept my .006 percent chance of a negative outcome as something I need to alter my behavior for.

I don’t care if you have Covid and are standing next to me in a phone booth without a mask on.

Let’s not get into the argument of “well it’s no big deal so let’s just do it anyways”.

Lots of things are no big deal that would make us safer that are not compelled by mandate.

You always spell out in your posts very Succinctly that we are not at risk of outdoor spread.

I would argue that your not at risk period if your vaccinated and in good health.

Yes I know you can post a news story about some healthy vaccinated guy thats dead and say “Well tell that to this guy”. That’s sort of the point though isn’t it? That happening is so rare that it makes the news.

I am looking forward to your thoughts as they are always insightful.

 

[Rescue Ranger]

Y

Why should everyone have to do what makes you comfortable when your risk assessment is irrational ?

Nice.

My whole point is either scrap the masks and let people make their own decisions or make it make sense. Don't post signs saying 6 feet apart everywhere yet not enforce it themselves. And either keep all lines/queues masked or make it optional.

 

[Trauma]

Nice.

My whole point is either scrap the masks and let people make their own decisions or make it make sense. Don't post signs saying 6 feet apart everywhere yet not enforce it themselves. And either keep all lines/queues masked or make it optional.

Yes an all or nothing approach.

This makes far more sense then the apparent randomness that is a happening now.

I agree with you 100%.

Maybe you think the answer is we mask always.

I say we don’t mask at all.

We both agree that what is being done now is nonsense.

Sound right?

I don’t want to put words in your mouth if I’m not reading you correctly.

 

[Bullseye1967]

Ever thought of making a video (or two hundred of them) on these trips?

Then you could put them up on youtube and thousands of people would love them!

 

[mikejs78]

Mike I’m going back and forth with you because I’m really trying to understand this. I think you make great points and I know they come from a good place so I’m not trying to attack you. I’m trying to understand.

I’m fully vaccinated with Moderna.

You keep making the point that spread occurs indoors. Yes I agree , so let’s set this as common ground.

Why do I care?

Im not at risk.

Sorry I don’t accept my .006 percent chance of a negative outcome as something I need to alter my behavior for.

I don’t care if you have Covid and are standing next to me in a phone booth without a mask on.

Let’s not get into the argument of “well it’s no big deal so let’s just do it anyways”.

Lots of things are no big deal that would make us safer that are not compelled by mandate.

You always spell out in your posts very Succinctly that we are not at risk of outdoor spread.

I would argue that your not at risk period if your vaccinated and in good health.

Yes I know you can post a news story about some healthy vaccinated guy thats dead and say “Well tell that to this guy”. That’s sort of the point though isn’t it? That happening is so rare that it makes the news.

I am looking forward to your thoughts as they are always insightful.

Here's my take. I'm not going to try to convince you that you need to wear a mask to avoid a breakthrough infection, given your vaccination status. You're right, your risk is very low. And even if you are infected, it will almost certainly be mild. So I agree with you, that's not a good argument. In fact, before Delta I would probably have agreed with you a lot more than disagreed.

The core reasons for me that mask mandates are still necessary for now have to do with three facts:

* Vaccinated people who catch COVID can still spread it, although at a much lower rate than unvaccinated.

* There's a sizeable segment of the population who still cannot be vaccinated - kids. And yes, kids aren't as impacted by COVID as adults, but because Delta is so transmissible, a large number of kids are ending up hospitalized - so much so that some pediatric hospitals in the south have been overwhelmed and not able to support non-COVID pediatric needs.

* The level of vaccination is sufficiently low that there's the potential for breeding of variants that could potentially break through the vaccines. Now, the obvious solution would be to require vaccinations in public places, but since that's been ruled out legally, mask mandates are all that remain.


Of these I personally see #2 as the most compelling. Given the pediatric hospital situation with Delta in high community spread areas, wearing a mask seems prudent to help avoid that, until such a time as kids can be vaccinated.. 5-11 year olds should be able to in a matter of weeks, and 6 mos to 4 years by the end of 2021.

I'd still prefer a higher vaccination rate to end masking, but I don't know how realistic that is at this point. I could be persuaded to end the mask mandates once the pediatric hospital situation is under control and kids have an opportunity to be vaccinated - so we are talking probably another 3.5 months (assuming all kids are eligible by EOY and allowing a month to get them vaccinated if they want.)

 

[VelocityRaptor]

I’ve been to the parks for 4 trips since Covid started. More and more each trip people are taking masks off as soon as the ride starts. It doesn’t bother me at all, I’m just a rule follower so I frown upon it. Mens restroom’s are probably 75% no mask, at first I was making sure I had it on every time but now if I remember I do, if I forget then oh well.

 

[crawale]

Here's my take. I'm not going to try to convince you that you need to wear a mask to avoid a breakthrough infection, given your vaccination status. You're right, your risk is very low. And even if you are infected, it will almost certainly be mild. So I agree with you, that's not a good argument. In fact, before Delta I would probably have agreed with you a lot more than disagreed.

The core reasons for me that mask mandates are still necessary for now have to do with three facts:

* Vaccinated people who catch COVID can still spread it, although at a much lower rate than unvaccinated.

* There's a sizeable segment of the population who still cannot be vaccinated - kids. And yes, kids aren't as impacted by COVID as adults, but because Delta is so transmissible, a large number of kids are ending up hospitalized - so much so that some pediatric hospitals in the south have been overwhelmed and not able to support non-COVID pediatric needs.

* The level of vaccination is sufficiently low that there's the potential for breeding of variants that could potentially break through the vaccines. Now, the obvious solution would be to require vaccinations in public places, but since that's been ruled out legally, mask mandates are all that remain.


Of these I personally see #2 as the most compelling. Given the pediatric hospital situation with Delta in high community spread areas, wearing a mask seems prudent to help avoid that, until such a time as kids can be vaccinated.. 5-11 year olds should be able to in a matter of weeks, and 6 mos to 4 years by the end of 2021.

I'd still prefer a higher vaccination rate to end masking, but I don't know how realistic that is at this point. I could be persuaded to end the mask mandates once the pediatric hospital situation is under control and kids have an opportunity to be vaccinated - so we are talking probably another 3.5 months (assuming all kids are eligible by EOY and allowing a month to get them vaccinated if they want.)

Just out of curiosity what percentage of people who get Covid are hospitalized?

 

[mikejs78]

Just out of curiosity what percentage of people who get Covid are hospitalized?

Not the point and doesn't really matter.

 

[Casper Gutman]

I wish people would get as upset about wearing pants as they do about wearing masks. There’s much less medical benefit to the practice and the debate and acts of public defiance would be much funnier.