Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

Just to follow up on this from the reporter of that Washington Post story -

Funny to see. Social media 101. One person falsely reports something and hundreds over react and foam at the mouth for no reason.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

There are indeed medical conditions which preclude the vaccine. But, just as a cautionary tale...

Some of those conditions are temporary, like, e.g., a series of cancer medication that comes to an end.

And some of the medical advice is ill-informed, even by a medical doctor; or, a lie made up by someone to avoid the vaccine.

My best friend's dad kept saying that his doctor told him not to get the vaccine because he once had a severe reaction to the flu shot. That seemed awfully suspicious to me since none of the ingredients in a flu shot that a person would react to are found in the COVID vaccine. So, I kept telling him to get a second opinion.

Well, finally, he messed up getting his 'story' (i.e., his *lie*) straight. The story morphed into a *nurse* telling him not to get the vaccine. And she did so before the vaccine was even available. Well, after his son just called him out for being a liar, and his doctor that was taking care of a shoulder surgery told him to get the vaccine, he eventually did.

Now, I'm not saying your brother's case isn't valid, it could well be. There are indeed medical reasons for not getting the vaccine.

But... I would encourage anyone being told they can't, to get a second opinion.

We still have medical personnel telling people they have to wait 2 weeks after a flu shot to get vaccinated, but that provision was removed by the CDC months ago.

Very true. I have a family member who receives treatment for RA. She was told by one doctor that she shouldn't get the vaccine because of her treatment. When she told that to the practice where she receives her RA treatment, they told her that they would not see her again until she receives the vaccine because the treatment compromises her immune system and puts her at a high risk of severe illness. They worked out a treatment schedule with her to allow her to safely receive the vaccine and then receive her RA treatment once it was safe to do so. Now she needs a 3rd dose but has had no side effects from any of her shots. Her husband was even convinced to get the vaccine, too. He was skeptical of it because it's new but saw how many of us got it without any problems and decided it was better to get the shots than to bring the virus home to his wife.

 

[Andrew C]

Just to follow up on this from the reporter of that Washington Post story -

Not good enough. Being treated like any business rather than federal workers. Unless I’m reading this incorrectly

 

[Casper Gutman]

Im glad i work somewhere were they respect personal choice. Im vaxxed sp it wouldn't matter to me but its principle.

Do you have to wear pants at work? Can you fire a gun in random directions at work? Does your workplace respect those choices?

 

[lewisc]

Not good enough. Being treated like any business rather than federal workers. Unless I’m reading this incorrectly

They're being required to get the vaccine. That's good enough for this discussion. Years ago the post office became an independent agency. The employees are not direct federal employees. How the post office should be run, and how it's employees should be categorized is way off topic.

 

[GoofGoof]

Not good enough. Being treated like any business rather than federal workers. Unless I’m reading this incorrectly

USPS is free to mandate vaccinations just like any other private business is but they aren’t directly covered by the Federal employee mandate. I don’t see why they can’t do something similar to the hospital plan and say if USPS doesn’t mandate vaccinations the federal government will cut funding. I’m sure they take some money from the government since they operate at a loss.

 

[lewisc]

USPS is free to mandate vaccinations just like any other private business is but they aren’t directly covered by the Federal employee mandate. I don’t see why they can’t do something similar to the hospital plan and say if USPS doesn’t mandate vaccinations the federal government will cut funding. I’m sure they take some money from the government since they operate at a loss.

It's been posted post office is included in the OSHA mandate.

 

[Lilofan]

I just had a cussion with a friend who is not vaccinated. Her feeling is that her and husband had Covid so why should I (her) get vaccinated. She feels she should be tested for anti bodies and if showing good then there is no need for shot. I just listen. Her husband is paying $200 a month for not getting vaccinated.

Spending $2400 a year? That is the going rate high season for a one night stay at the newish on the water bungalows at the Poly. Some even throw food into the water to attract the .

 

[Kevin_W]

On the subject of vaccines - I've seen signs popping up at my local grocery stores advertising the flu shot. Is there a recommended best time to get the flu vaccine? In previous years, I recall them recommending mid-late October to increase chances that immunity lasted until the end of the flu season. But this year I've seen some recommendations for earlier vaccination. I didn't know if there was any kind of consensus yet.

Looks like we might be a year way from mRNA vaccines for flu https://www.reuters.com/business/he...-combination-vaccine-covid-19-flu-2021-09-09/

 

[MisterPenguin]

On the subject of vaccines - I've seen signs popping up at my local grocery stores advertising the flu shot. Is there a recommended best time to get the flu vaccine? In previous years, I recall them recommending mid-late October to increase chances that immunity lasted until the end of the flu season. But this year I've seen some recommendations for earlier vaccination. I didn't know if there was any kind of consensus yet.

Looks like we might be a year way from mRNA vaccines for flu https://www.reuters.com/business/he...-combination-vaccine-covid-19-flu-2021-09-09/

Children should already have received this year's flu shot before going back to school.

Adults should get theirs Sept/Oct, IOW, now.

There are egg-free options for those allergic.

Everyone 6 months of age and older should get a flu vaccine.

Vaccination to prevent influenza is particularly important for people who are at high risk of serious complications from influenza.

www.cdc.gov

 

[DisneyDebRob]

On the subject of vaccines - I've seen signs popping up at my local grocery stores advertising the flu shot. Is there a recommended best time to get the flu vaccine? In previous years, I recall them recommending mid-late October to increase chances that immunity lasted until the end of the flu season. But this year I've seen some recommendations for earlier vaccination. I didn't know if there was any kind of consensus yet.

Looks like we might be a year way from mRNA vaccines for flu https://www.reuters.com/business/he...-combination-vaccine-covid-19-flu-2021-09-09/

The CDC recommends getting it by the end of October. They don’t say when is the best time just before the end of that month.A lot of what I read says get it as early as possible. Many say get it now so I’m guessing.. now through end of October.

 

[danlb_2000]

There are indeed medical conditions which preclude the vaccine. But, just as a cautionary tale...

Some of those conditions are temporary, like, e.g., a series of cancer medication that comes to an end.

And some of the medical advice is ill-informed, even by a medical doctor; or, a lie made up by someone to avoid the vaccine.

My best friend's dad kept saying that his doctor told him not to get the vaccine because he once had a severe reaction to the flu shot. That seemed awfully suspicious to me since none of the ingredients in a flu shot that a person would react to are found in the COVID vaccine. So, I kept telling him to get a second opinion.

Well, finally, he messed up getting his 'story' (i.e., his *lie*) straight. The story morphed into a *nurse* telling him not to get the vaccine. And she did so before the vaccine was even available. Well, after his son just called him out for being a liar, and his doctor that was taking care of a shoulder surgery told him to get the vaccine, he eventually did.

Now, I'm not saying your brother's case isn't valid, it could well be. There are indeed medical reasons for not getting the vaccine.

But... I would encourage anyone being told they can't, to get a second opinion.

We still have medical personnel telling people they have to wait 2 weeks after a flu shot to get vaccinated, but that provision was removed by the CDC months ago.

I recently heard about this study. The looked at 429 "highly allergic" people who were given the Pfizer vaccine. After the first dose 420 had no allergic reaction, 6 had a minor reaction and only 3 had an anaphylactic reaction. So even people susceptible to allergies can safely get the vaccine, they may just need to have it in a medical setting.

Allergic Reactions After COVID-19 Vaccination Among Adults With High Allergy Risk

This cohort study describes the assessment and immunization of highly allergic individuals with the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 vaccine, as well as the rate of adverse reactions to the vaccine in this population.

jamanetwork.com

 

[Lilofan]

I see exemptions (lots) to this executive order within the month.

That's wishful thinking. If there are exceptions it will be minimal .

 

[drizgirl]

So are teachers and school staff now going to be required to be vaccinated (beyond the federally employed ones in very limited numbers)?

 

[Lilofan]

So are teachers and school staff now going to be required to be vaccinated (beyond the federally employed ones in very limited numbers)?

In WA and Puerto Rico, teachers are required to be vaccinated. In CA they are required to be vaccinated or undergo regular testing . Who knows how many more states will go this route.

 

[drizgirl]

In WA and Puerto Rico, teachers are required to be vaccinated. In CA they are required to be vaccinated or undergo regular testing . Who knows how many more states will go this route.

My question is whether Biden's new plan includes them.

 

[Andrew C]

In WA and Puerto Rico, teachers are required to be vaccinated. In CA they are required to be vaccinated or undergo regular testing . Who knows how many more states will go this route.

All should have done it. At minimum.

 

[willtravel]

That's wishful thinking. If there are exceptions it will be minimal .

Then I guess this is not true? So the post office may not be federal workers but then let's put them in a business category with a LARGE exemption (over 600,000 exemption). And the unions will lead the way with exemptions and leave it at that.


@FanforDisney

Can you explain why US Postal workers are exempt from Biden’s executive order? Seems like there is some politics involved. They are one of the largest groups and have a lot of public contact.

“APWU, one of the very powerful unions representing postal workers blasted Joe Biden in July: “While the APWU leadership continues to encourage postal workers to voluntarily get vaccinated, it is not the role of the federal government to mandate vaccinations for the employees we represent.”

According to a report by the Washington Post, USPS workers are EXEMPT even though they are required to be included in executive orders that apply to federal employees.”

 

[Disneydad1012]

The fun continues. My child was finally able to return back to school on Tuesday after quarantine due to close contact with covid (no virtual option, and no mask mandates ).

Do you want to guess what happened? Do you? Guess?

She was sent back home today for another quarantine due to close contact with Covid yesterday.

That has to be so frustrating. Our school district in MA has an option called "test and stay" each morning the exposed person gets tested and as long as it is negative each day for the 10 days they stay at school.

 

[Heppenheimer]

My question is whether Biden's new plan includes them.

Could that potentially fall under the OSHA rule for workplaces with over 100 employees? I wouldn't think that many individual schools would qualify under that criteria, unless you considered that it applies to an entire school district.

It does explicitly apply to federal Head Start workers.