Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Andrew C]

Whether anywhere else in the world could tolerate that level controls to minimize spread is doubtful in more liberal western societies.

Of course we wouldn’t. Nor should we.

 

[Andrew C]

A co-worker of mine is holding out on getting the vax, because he is looking to have children.

He.

When there is absolutely no fertility concerns for females, and certainly none for males.

Yeah. That’s a bit…crazy.

 

[LaughingGravy]

My 13yo doesn't even want to hear that it will be okay. These kids are learning how little some people really don't care about others.

While I'm slightly saddened we'll start the year with masks in school (knowing the vaccination percentage in my district is super high) I get that the 6th grade kids (11 yos) have no choice. My kid was going to wear a mask anyway indoors and letting it optional outside. That's what our district mandated so it aligned with what we were going to do anyway.

No lockers again this year. No normalcy which kind of stinks. I am hoping that winter with vaccines will change things at our school. I am very sure our 8th grade trip will be off which disappoints me. We'll find a way to make it up. It's disappointing because we didn't have to be this way at this point, but we are.

Last night with the parent at our door showed me how insane people are - and to make this crazy, yes it's public record but they have never ever been to our house before. They didn't even check to make sure they had the right house before confronting us on our property. All because a few other parents with young kids and high-risk family members were getting concerned and innocently the kids asked each other. My kid being one of them since he's friends with kids in the group outside of it and others are not.

This is the insanity we are dealing with.

As ridiculous and sad this is, your 13 year-old will be prepared for the idiocy of the world and will more than likely rise above the others due to these experiences and your parenting.
It would just be nice if it wasn't done this way.
There is enough difficulty in a regular life, whatever that is, with unavoidable emotional trauma due to stuff that just happens. It doesn't need to be added to by idiots living in a bubble of fiction and misinformation, who somehow have a need to involve others in a bait and switch tactic or trap

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Yes. It is tough to get 50 different states, which are essentially 50 different countries each with their own diverse populations and unique cultures, totaling 330 million people, on board with the same solutions for dealing with the virus...

It’s not 50 different countries. Really just 2. Red and Blue. We should have been united to fight covid together but.... here we are. (Sorry if that’s too political... not trying to go there.)

 

[Andrew C]

It’s not 50 different countries. Really just 2. Red and Blue. We should have been united to fight covid together but.... here we are. (Sorry if that’s too political... not trying to go there.)

It’s not so black and white….or red and blue.

 

[LaughingGravy]

I wonder how many parents with kids who have severe peanut allergies and also have issues with mask mandates and vaccines have issues with other kids who aren't allergic bringing peanut butter sandwiches or powdered peanut covered items to their kids' tables.

 

[mmascari]

CDC now advises pregnant women to get the vaccine. Hopefully a few more shots in arms...

For those that were holding out for more information/effects/full approval, this is an important signal from the CDC.

All drugs and pregnant women are a huge hurtle. Combined with the normal huge vaccine hurtle already for safety effects.

Recommending the vaccine for pregnant women means one of two things:

1. The vaccine is so freaking safe based on all the doses given, even the smaller number given to pregnant women already, that it's safe to recommend with no worries. This should make it a no brainer for everyone else.
2. The risk/reward situation changed in a way that they're saying the risk of not being vaccinated now is so much larger that it's the larger concern vs any interactions with pregnant women. This should also make it a no brainer for everyone else.

I'm sure it's the first.

Either way, the message should be clear. The vaccine is so safe, and the risk of not being vaccinated is large enough, that even the most cautious patient group of pregnant women whose bodies are doing insane things and building a new person should get vaccinated too. Everyone else's risk profile pales in comparison to that.

 

[LaughingGravy]

A co-worker of mine is holding out on getting the vax, because he is looking to have children.

He.

When there is absolutely no fertility concerns for females, and certainly none for males.

Does said co worker even have a partner? If they are looking to procreate, it may be a Darwin award in the making.

 

[StarWarsGirl]

I wonder how many parents with kids who have severe peanut allergies and also have issues with mask mandates and vaccines have issues with other kids who aren't allergic bringing peanut butter sandwiches or powdered peanut covered items to their kids' tables.

How are these two things at all related?

 

[Heppenheimer]

A co-worker of mine is holding out on getting the vax, because he is looking to have children.

He.

When there is absolutely no fertility concerns for females, and certainly none for males.

Antivaxxers plant that seed of doubt with every new vaccine. I heard patients say the same thing about the HPV vaccine.

 

[Heppenheimer]

What some parents, and maybe others, might be missing in this lies in the CDC guidance itself (until it was updated recently). Masks optional for vaccinated individuals indoors. The honor system failed. Add on the emergence of Delta and this nation was ripe for its current beating.

Believing what we want about masks and the spectrum of effectiveness from a lace doily to a face shield particulate respirator doesn't absolve school districts from doing their best to protect students. I firmly believe that the overwhelming majority of kids have been failed by the online model. It served its purpose, but it's time to reconnect. I also believe the safest way to do that, in a now 100% attendance environment with limited (if any) distancing is through masking - especially in the sub-12 set and where that group mixes with others.

Also, if masks were to be implemented as "strongly suggested" or whatever wording for vaccinated students and teachers, then there should be an absolute, hard line mandate for staff and students. Medical exemptions, of course, and those kids would need to be masked. Maybe, to avoid snickering among adolescents, third period AP Bio needs to be masked for all because Johnny is medically exempt and high risk - so an hour's exposure to 22 other kids puts him at risk of asymptomatic breakthrough transmission.

It's a difficult decision, and a conversation best had at the individual district/county level. Certainly not one that should be top-down steamrolled by one who could best be described as the real, flesh and blood Larry Vaughn.

I had to look up Larry Vaughn... oh, him.

At least Mayor Vaughn had a genuine change of heart and remorse when he saw the consequences of his actions. Not holding out hope for Governor DeVaughn to do the same.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I mean of course I am sure some people dislike them.

Point being, there are many things going on that the government does.

Masks are literally not an attack on freedom.

The way masks have been required by government absolutely should have everyone at least being aware. The emergency powers afforded to many executives are incredibly broad. A single individual is able to unilaterally declare an emergency and then have near unilateral power to create rules with the force of law. Assuming broad power to deal with an emergency is a classic story.

 

[sullyinMT]

I had to look up Larry Vaughn... oh, him.

At least Mayor Vaughn had a genuine change of heart and remorse when he saw the consequences of his actions. Not holding out hope for Governor DeVaughn to do the same.

If it hasn’t happened yet, and he’s doubling down recently, probably not. Just saw where he’s even trying to play the “fake news” game with the HHS vent shipment.

 

[sullyinMT]

The way masks have been required by government absolutely should have everyone at least being aware. The emergency powers afforded to many executives are incredibly broad. A single individual is able to unilaterally declare an emergency and then have near unilateral power to create rules with the force of law. Assuming broad power to deal with an emergency is a classic story.

Not wrong, but being aware and being an outright menace to society are different (of course your posting history in this thread shows you get that). Especially this time around. The CDC literally showed their willingness and desire for “normal” just two months ago or thereabouts. They didn’t and don’t make policy, but they certainly direct it in this case. And I trust they’ll suggest relaxing the guidance yet again once warranted.

The other hand is also true, though. What DeSantis in particular is doing is taking an emergency and assuming broad power to keep local jurisdictions from reacting in their constituents’ best interest. His head in the sand is disgusting this time around, when there’s so much more he could be doing with that bully pulpit.

Other Southern governors (at least one recently) have started their about face in the light of this current situation. He has a lot to learn.

 

[JoeCamel]

For those that were holding out for more information/effects/full approval, this is an important signal from the CDC.

All drugs and pregnant women are a huge hurtle. Combined with the normal huge vaccine hurtle already for safety effects.

Recommending the vaccine for pregnant women means one of two things:

1. The vaccine is so freaking safe based on all the doses given, even the smaller number given to pregnant women already, that it's safe to recommend with no worries. This should make it a no brainer for everyone else.
2. The risk/reward situation changed in a way that they're saying the risk of not being vaccinated now is so much larger that it's the larger concern vs any interactions with pregnant women. This should also make it a no brainer for everyone else.

I'm sure it's the first.

Either way, the message should be clear. The vaccine is so safe, and the risk of not being vaccinated is large enough, that even the most cautious patient group of pregnant women whose bodies are doing insane things and building a new person should get vaccinated too. Everyone else's risk profile pales in comparison to that.

They want to be sure everyone gets hooked up to the 5G chip. That kid is getting theirs installed at the factory!

 

[Patcheslee]

They want to be sure everyone gets hooked up to the 5G chip. That kid is getting theirs installed at the factory!

Probably explains why my internet speed has slowed the past few months, alot more users now...

 

[Patcheslee]

So Cali Governor has mandated teacher to vaccinate or take weekly covid tests..

 

[Andrew C]

So Cali Governor has mandated teacher to vaccinate or take weekly covid tests..

Well. I know many teachers unions were worried about teachers going back to school last school year before a vaccine was fully available.

 

[Timmay]

The political element of COVID is highly worrisome for this reason.

Many people have established their views on masks and/or vaccinations as more of a political viewpoint, and we know that people's politics rarely change.

It's concerning because it means the vaccination rates might be at the "as good as it's going to get" point, which is simply not ok.

While I agree about the masks, it’s appearing to be a different story with vaccinations. I’m completely avoiding politics here so no links with any political bend to them, but The NYT published a piece back at the beginning of August highlighting this, and the Kaiser Family Foundation published a study on vaccines and race/ethnicity that was a little shocking.

Get your vaccine, people. Please.

 

[DCBaker]

Current data for Orange County -