Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Mr Ferret 75]

Good. So we don't have to suffer smelling your breath.

Oh and use a mint.

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[JoeCamel]

In Britain that is called going commando!

Same here

 

[draybook]

Same here

Or you can steal from Tom Petty and say you're Freeballin...

 

[JoeCamel]

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Eh, he'll just pop up with another account

 

[DisneyCane]

Really? Mask debate again?

Opinion | We Studied One Million Students. This Is What We Learned About Masking. (Published 2021)

Returning to school this fall, children should be vaccinated if eligible, wear masks or prepare to risk getting Covid.

www.nytimes.com

The headline of that article starts with "Opinion" and in the article says things like "We believe this low rate of transmission occurred because of the mask-on-mask school environment."

It then jumps to talking about current outbreaks in FL and TX which are not the same variant and aren't happening in schools (because school wasn't in session yet) and then draws conclusions.

Again, am I correct or not that the Delta spike in the UK occurred while mask mandates were still in place?

 

[LaughingGravy]

And it’s happening. Two hours into the first day of classes. Quicker than we even thought.

Just got this from my child’s school (West Central Florida, 90 mins. from WDW for those who don’t already know):

“We were notified this morning of a positive COVID-19 case during the open house yesterday at our school and we are notifying all parents/guardians, faculty, and staff as a courtesy. Faculty, staff, and parents/guardians of students who were in close contact (6 feet for 15 minutes or longer) to this case are being notified with a message informing them of the quarantine requirement and any further instructions. ONLY families who have been in close contact WILL be notified. If you are not notified from an administrator that your student was in close contact with someone who tested positive for COVID-19, you do not need to take any action at this time. Again, this is a courtesy notification.”

We were at this Open House, crowded into the lobby with everyone else waiting for the event to begin. With many unmasked. Now a positive test result less than a day later? We haven’t been notified yet but how in the world can the school know who was standing next to who? Did someone come to the Open House having already been tested and awaiting the results or were they tested first thing this morning?

And my child is in the building as we speak.

So when I get upset, when I criticize those who should be leading, when I criticize folks who could get vaccinated but don’t, when I rail against childish attitudes about wearing a mask, THIS is why I am upset. Because this thing is real. And people need to wake up and grow up. Now.

When we used to go to open houses when the kids were in school, there was the big auditorium situation the same way you mentioned, plus the crowded hallways going from classroom to classroom afterwards with no tracking at all within each classroom. I think the only thing they could have gathered today is who was safe for not attending the open house at all.

 

[Mr Ferret 75]

In Britain that is called going commando!

 

[MisterPenguin]

The headline of that article starts with "Opinion" and in the article says things like "We believe this low rate of transmission occurred because of the mask-on-mask school environment."

It then jumps to talking about current outbreaks in FL and TX which are not the same variant and aren't happening in schools (because school wasn't in session yet) and then draws conclusions.

Again, am I correct or not that the Delta spike in the UK occurred while mask mandates were still in place?

It says "opinion" because it's in the OpEd section of a newspaper that follows journalistic standards.

It's not a news article that is vetted by the paper itself.

So, any editorial from the editorial staff or from guest editorialists are marked at OpEd, or, as the NYT is now calling it, the Opinion section.

Just because it's labeled "Opinion" doesn't mean that it's just non-factual musings. In this article, the authors are relating their findings. They explain their methodology and their results.

 

[Andrew C]

Could I BEE wearing anymore clothes?

 

[GimpYancIent]

It says "opinion" because it's in the OpEd section of a newspaper that follows journalistic standards.

It's not a news article that is vetted by the paper itself.

So, any editorial from the editorial staff or from guest editorialists are marked at OpEd, or, as the NYT is now calling it, the Opinion section.

Just because it's labeled "Opinion" doesn't mean that it's just non-factual musings. In this article, the authors are relating their findings. They explain their methodology and their results.

Meh. In the case of NYT its non-factual musings.

 

[Andrew C]

Meh. In the case of NYT its non-factual musings.

lol. Way to throw a firecracker on that conversation.

 

[Polkadotdress]

The headline of that article starts with "Opinion" and in the article says things like "We believe this low rate of transmission occurred because of the mask-on-mask school environment."

It then jumps to talking about current outbreaks in FL and TX which are not the same variant and aren't happening in schools (because school wasn't in session yet) and then draws conclusions.

Again, am I correct or not that the Delta spike in the UK occurred while mask mandates were still in place?

So, we will go ahead and reopen schools here in FL with FEWER mitigation standards in the midst of a more highly-transmissible variant, even though it *seems* as if those mitigations helped during a time when the circumstances were different (easier).

What could possibly go wrong?

 

[sullyinMT]

The headline of that article starts with "Opinion" and in the article says things like "We believe this low rate of transmission occurred because of the mask-on-mask school environment."

It then jumps to talking about current outbreaks in FL and TX which are not the same variant and aren't happening in schools (because school wasn't in session yet) and then draws conclusions.

Again, am I correct or not that the Delta spike in the UK occurred while mask mandates were still in place?

What some parents, and maybe others, might be missing in this lies in the CDC guidance itself (until it was updated recently). Masks optional for vaccinated individuals indoors. The honor system failed. Add on the emergence of Delta and this nation was ripe for its current beating.

Believing what we want about masks and the spectrum of effectiveness from a lace doily to a face shield particulate respirator doesn't absolve school districts from doing their best to protect students. I firmly believe that the overwhelming majority of kids have been failed by the online model. It served its purpose, but it's time to reconnect. I also believe the safest way to do that, in a now 100% attendance environment with limited (if any) distancing is through masking - especially in the sub-12 set and where that group mixes with others.

Also, if masks were to be implemented as "strongly suggested" or whatever wording for vaccinated students and teachers, then there should be an absolute, hard line mandate for staff and students. Medical exemptions, of course, and those kids would need to be masked. Maybe, to avoid snickering among adolescents, third period AP Bio needs to be masked for all because Johnny is medically exempt and high risk - so an hour's exposure to 22 other kids puts him at risk of asymptomatic breakthrough transmission.

It's a difficult decision, and a conversation best had at the individual district/county level. Certainly not one that should be top-down steamrolled by one who could best be described as the real, flesh and blood Larry Vaughn.

 

[Virtual Toad]

So, we will go ahead and reopen schools here in FL with FEWER mitigation standards in the midst of a more highly-transmissible variant, even though it *seems* as if those mitigations helped during a time when the circumstances were different (easier).

What could possibly go wrong?

Let’s hope nothing does. But sadly a lot of folks seem perfectly fine with the concept of treating the state’s children as guinea pigs and hoping for the best.

 

[Andrew C]

If I was in a position of power in Florida and was forced to compromise (and not leaving it up directly to school districts) I would probably do something like this....

No masks for vaccinated children in middle and high school unless they want to wear one.
Masks required for all unvaccinated children in middle and high school.
Opt out system (or just optional) for elementary school children.
All unvaccinated teachers must wear masks.

I know this isn't going to happen...but just throwing it out...

That being said, I am quite comfortable with my 3rd grader going back to school with no masks or social distancing. That is just me...some will agree, and I guess some will be shocked...

 

[sullyinMT]

If I was in a position of power in Florida and was forced to compromise (and not leaving it up directly to school districts) I would probably do something like this....

No masks for vaccinated children in middle and high school unless they want to wear one.
Masks required for all unvaccinated children in middle and high school.
Opt out system (or just optional) for elementary school children.

I know this isn't going to happen...but just throwing it out...

That being said, I am perfectly comfortable with my 3rd grader going back to school with no masks or social distancing. That is just me...some will agree, and I guess some will be shocked...

To your last point - it depends. A month ago, I would have been right there with you for my 6th grader (11.5). Now, though, in my county, transmission is so high I can't get behind that thought. Not just transmission, but healthcare availability is starting to stretch thin. So, we had the conversation about masks not really being optional for him currently. He's all in, BTW. I think seeing masks' effectiveness in him not getting sick these past 17 months has taught him something. For our fully-vaxxed 8th grader, I'm a little more comfortable with him comingling and trying to be sensible. He'll have masks on hand in case a particular teacher wants them, or he hears a kid sniffling, or or or. He's also likely to just wear the thing since we do again at stores and whatnot.

 

[Polkadotdress]

Let’s hope nothing does. But sadly a lot of folks seem perfectly fine with the concept of treating the state’s children as guinea pigs and hoping for the best.

I am fortunate in that both of my children are now done with K-12 (last one graduated in May), as I have so many friends who have been agonizing over this situation.

Best wishes to your family as you navigate the school year.

 

[mmascari]

There's no government mandate to wear pants. As long as something is covering your private parts you aren't breaking any laws. A loin cloth would probably work legally and shouldn't be uncomfortable.

Fine, let's replace "mask" with "loin cloth" in all the posts, discussions, news stories.

It's more letters to type, but has the same impact to the statements.

Sometimes I feel the same way about loin cloths.

Who's with me, loin cloth free Wednesday!

Definitely sounds like commando, maybe it really was the British pants after all.

 

[baymenxpac]

So, we will go ahead and reopen schools here in FL with FEWER mitigation standards in the midst of a more highly-transmissible variant, even though it *seems* as if those mitigations helped during a time when the circumstances were different (easier).

What could possibly go wrong?

did it? study here: https://statsiq.co1.qualtrics.com/p...eId=Page_f6071bf7-7db4-4a61-942f-ade4cce464de

 

[GoofGoof]

To your last point - it depends. A month ago, I would have been right there with you for my 6th grader (11.5). Now, though, in my county, transmission is so high I can't get behind that thought. Not just transmission, but healthcare availability is starting to stretch thin. So, we had the conversation about masks not really being optional for him currently. He's all in, BTW. I think seeing masks' effectiveness in him not getting sick these past 17 months has taught him something. For our fully-vaxxed 8th grader, I'm a little more comfortable with him comingling and trying to be sensible. He'll have masks on hand in case a particular teacher wants them, or he hears a kid sniffling, or or or. He's also likely to just wear the thing since we do again at stores and whatnot.

Agreed. It amazes me how many people cannot pivot in their thought process when things change. Its linear thought and once you “pick a side” you never budge. I know that’s how politics works for a lot of people but this is real life and kids we are talking about.