Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DisneyDebRob]

i doubt disney would require guests to be vaccinated before entering parks, etc. that’ll mean turning money away. no way that’s happening.
plus u have guests coming soon for the boo bash after hours. i guarantee not everyone attending is vaccinated.

Not to get off topic to much but did you see the prices for that boo bash? 129.00 to 199.00 a person depending on what night you go. Almost 60 to 80 bucks more then regular Halloween party but 2 hrs less. Incredible that they are getting anyone to go for that money but more power to them .

 

[LittleBuford]

Not to get off topic to much but did you see the prices for that boo bash? 129.00 to 199.00 a person depending on what night you go. Almost 60 to 80 bucks more then regular Halloween party but 2 hrs less. Incredible that they are getting anyone to go for that money but more power to them .

I would pay if we weren’t in the middle of a pandemic. It’s a lot, but worth it for me.

 

[Heppenheimer]

I imagine some will refuse. Wonder what happens then. Some type of discharge?

Some type of UCMJ process, since this would be disobeying a direct order. Doesn't need to necessarily end in a flat-out discharge, though.

The threat of getting pay docked is usually enough to get compliance for most things in the military.

 

[disneygeek90]

Not to get off topic to much but did you see the prices for that boo bash? 129.00 to 199.00 a person depending on what night you go. Almost 60 to 80 bucks more then regular Halloween party but 2 hrs less. Incredible that they are getting anyone to go for that money but more power to them .

Meanwhile for $700 I'm getting unlimited HHN with express every night. Many families are dropping at least that much on one night at MK with limited offerings.

 

[GoofGoof]

Impossible question to answer. No one gives out that information. There have been documented cases of CM’s getting it but who knows from where. I’ve seen articles on people saying they were tested when they got home because they didn’t “feel right”. Again, no idea if they got it at the airport.. a Uber ride.. in the parks.. etc. That’s the big question and it can never be answered.

It’s a question with no answer. However, we cannot just ignore the fact that there have not been any stories of outbreaks directly tied to WDW. In recent news there have been outbreaks tied to the Bucks championship celebrations, various concerts, a town in Cape Cod with a bunch of partying. There is no formal mechanism for tracing infections, especially out of state, so it’s not as easy to trace but the media would for sure love to run that story.

I think as more and more time has gone by we have begun to understand a little more what drives spread, what mitigation works and what is higher risk. The one thing WDW has going for it is it’s size and it’s outdoor nature. When visiting the parks you spend quite a bit of time outdoors with short bursts of glancing exposure to others as you pass by. The area with the highest risk is probably dining indoors right now but that’s not different than any other restaurant not attached to a theme park. The indoor exposure is at least partially mitigated by masking now. We‘ve seen strong evidence from schools and Summer camps that risk from indoor activities can be reduced with masks. It’s not eliminated but reduced.

 

[LittleBuford]

Idiots!

Anti-vaccine protesters storm BBC HQ – years after it moved out

Group gain access to old Television Centre in west London, which is now mostly rented by ITV daytime shows

www.theguardian.com

 

[danlb_2000]

I don't think that's the same thing legally. Transportation to a job is different than something that happens on the job. Being required to be vaccinated is closer to "on the job."

The CM doesn't HAVE to ride transportation. They could live right outside the main gate and take a long walk. Obviously, nobody does that but I don't think transportation to work and required vaccination to be employed are the same thing legally.

I would have to think there is something comparable out there. Something you are required to do as condition of employment, that could potentially cause harm, and is not actually done by the employer.

 

[SamusAranX]

Why do you assume the risk of exposure is minor?

@DisneyCane had a pretty informative post that broke down the math and your odds of catching COVID, even with the latest surge in Florida, were still lower then you would think upfront hearing the case numbers daily.

I don't feel like digging it up, but maybe he will be kind enough to provide.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

i doubt disney would require guests to be vaccinated before entering parks, etc. that’ll mean turning money away. no way that’s happening.
plus u have guests coming soon for the boo bash after hours. i guarantee not everyone attending is vaccinated.

What makes you think requiring vaccines would lower attendance/business?

I believe the opposite will be true

 

[dreday3]

I imagine some will refuse. Wonder what happens then. Some type of discharge?

My guy (former Marine) said you would be under what he calls "intense peer pressure" to get it, called/out embarrassed in front of your company and if they still refuse he doesn't know because no one he knew refused after that.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

@DisneyCane had a pretty informative post that broke down the math and your odds of catching COVID, even with the latest surge in Florida, were still lower then you would think upfront hearing the case numbers daily.

I don't feel like digging it up, but maybe he will be kind enough to provide.

Risk of exposure isn’t the same thing as “catching covid” or any degree of severity

 

[LaughingGravy]

I would still love to see the breakdown of which breakthrough cases are happening to people by vaccine and length of time since immunization ( 2 weeks past last shot). It would be hard to believe that data is not being gathered.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Idiots!

Anti-vaccine protesters storm BBC HQ – years after it moved out

Group gain access to old Television Centre in west London, which is now mostly rented by ITV daytime shows

www.theguardian.com

Interesting family, those Corbyns...

 

[mmascari]

I'm still curious if they'd be liable. For Disney, when their liability insurance is spread over such a large pool of people it's a negligible risk but what about for somebody who has 10 employees? Will their liability insurance premium increase due to a mandate on their employees?

WC in general is a super regulated coverage compared to other insurance coverage. It's possible that states could allow or adjust this, but I doubt it. FL insurance compliance is always extra fun too.

Even that employer with only 10 employees is using an insurance carrier with a much larger pool. Across that entire pool of the carrier, it's still a negligible risk since vaccine events are so rare.

It's not like the employees for one company have a different risk profile vs another company. This isn't like comparing an office worker to a construction worker who are facing different risk profiles based on job role for most injuries.

Now, if we're comparing two self insured companies without actual policies, which Disney may be one of. Then, it's different math. Not because the event is more likely, but the ability to survive if a rare event does happen is different. That small 10 employee company probably doesn't have the resources to survive a rare event. On the plus side, their WC coverage is probably super cheap, which makes for a good insurance story. Pay for super cheap coverage to avoid the rare risk of a catastrophic event, that will probably never happen, but just in case.

 

[LaughingGravy]

I imagine some will refuse. Wonder what happens then. Some type of discharge?

Keeping on topic, does anyone know if WDW is supplying castmembers with masks, or just the sneeze shield looking face coverings?
And then, what kind of masks? Cotton? Disposable? 2 layer? 3?

 

[kong1802]

Idiots!

Anti-vaccine protesters storm BBC HQ – years after it moved out

Group gain access to old Television Centre in west London, which is now mostly rented by ITV daytime shows

www.theguardian.com

Proper idiots.

Not surprised that their “research” on where the BBC was headquartered let them down.

 

[GoofGoof]

What makes you think requiring vaccines would lower attendance/business?

I believe the opposite will be true

I don’t know which way would result in more customers, but as the vaccination rate gets higher and higher the needle moves towards requiring it being “better for business”. That’s true in society in general. There’s a reason why there was not a strong appetite for vaccine passports in April but it’s more “popular” today. Now that the vast majority are vaccinated you are alienating a much smaller pool of guests.

Demographics matter too. When your top demo target is higher earning families with kids (often under 12) and you have not been seriously focused on attracting the under 30 singles, adult crowd since PI closed that would give you a different answer than say a nightclub or a concert venue. WDW also draws a lot of people from the highly populated Northeast which is more highly vaccinated.

 

[Wendy Pleakley]

Not to get off topic to much but did you see the prices for that boo bash? 129.00 to 199.00 a person depending on what night you go. Almost 60 to 80 bucks more then regular Halloween party but 2 hrs less. Incredible that they are getting anyone to go for that money but more power to them .

After Hours events are different from the holiday parties.

Different experience, different capacity, different offering.

Whether or not it's worth it is a matter of personal opinion, but Boo Bash is not a modified Halloween party, it's a different event.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

They could live right outside the main gate and take a long walk. Obviously, nobody does that

Actually... many do. But they still have to cross the street!

 

[SamusAranX]

Risk of exposure isn’t the same thing as “catching covid” or any degree of severity

Well, "minor" is in the eye of the beholder.

I believe the risk of exposure was hovering at 1 percent or below. To me, that's minor. Minor enough to brave a Disney trip though? Doubtful.