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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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correcaminos

correcaminos

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Disney Experience said:
speaking of Genetics my 91 yo father got asymptomatic covid last Christmas and was not vaccinated. So was suprised when my vaccinated self got miderate symptonatic covid.
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That's right, I forgot that! Please take this as a total joke -

maybe you didn't take after your father at all :p

But really could've been so many things you did mention, but it was almost like you set it up to be said 😁
 
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mmascari

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seascape

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DCBaker said:
Here is the weekly report from the Florida DOH -

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FLORIDA IS DOING HORRIBLY. There is no excuse for over 3,000 cases a day. The people of Florida are letting their neighbors suffer because of their refusal to get vaccinated. While I know I am relatively protected against Covid19 because I had it and received 2 shots of the Pfizer Vaccine and will take a booster when available others are making it difficult. Take the shot or let the disease fester and develop more mutations and because vaccine resistant. We, everyone in every country need to take drive Covid19 into the ground.
 
Angel Ariel

Angel Ariel

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GoofGoof said:
I think it has a larger impact at the High School level. Everyone will be eligible so schools can and should make their rule no masks for anyone fully vaccinated and require proof to drop the masks. It will likely result in 95%+ vaccine rates in most schools which is a great thing. For elementary schools I think most that did masks last year will require masks for students and likely teachers in the Fall until the vaccines are approved. Middle schools are tougher since they will likely have under and over 12 depending on what grade they start in. Most 7th and 8th graders are 12 by September but if the school is 6/7/8 I guess they will have to require some kids to wear masks.
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The area I am in is heavily pushing for no masks for *any* students in the fall. TBH, I see them gaining traction, and this announcement from the CDC will energize that more.
 
GoofGoof

GoofGoof

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Angel Ariel said:
The area I am in is heavily pushing for no masks for *any* students in the fall. TBH, I see them gaining traction, and this announcement from the CDC will energize that more.
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That announcement really has nothing to do with unvaccinated people. If anything it’s just cpnfirming that the standard guidance about masks being only necessary for unvaccinated people extends to schools as well. There have been schools that never required masks through the whole pandemic so those will obviously not change but for schools that had masks last year I wouldn’t be surprised if they are back again this school year. The distancing and lack of activities will probably be relaxed or eliminated but masks don’t restrict activity or prevent schools from being open.
 
Willmark

Willmark

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Heppenheimer said:
I'm not sure what point you're arguing (I can never tell with you, because you always reply "Not my point" when given information that appears to contradict your premise), but some basic numbers on polio would be helpful here.

90-95% of polio infections are asymptomatic. Less than 10% cause a mild viral illness that resolves without sequelae. (Note, different sources I'm using report different numbers here). About 0.1% of all cases of polio will result in meningitis, and if this spreads to the spinal cord, it causes the flaccid paralysis known as poliomyelitis (what most people actually mean when they colloquially say "polio"). Among those who develop poliomyelitis, the mortality rate is about 5-10%. So, at most, the case fatality rate from polio infection was about 0.01%. About 2/3 of the cases who develop flaccid paralysis never recover their full strength, so I estimate that means about a 0.06% case rate of permanent paralysis of varying degrees of severity, ranging from minor, regional muscle weakness to complete global paralysis requiring permanent ventilatory support (I suspect most who were fully paralyzed didn't stay alive very long, so the surviving numbers probably skew towards regional muscle paralysis).

Prior to vaccination, there were about 13,000-20,000 cases of poliomyelitis reported yearly in the US. The last case that developed from purely domestic sources was in 1979, and the last imported case was in 1993. Thanks to widespread vaccination, the polio virus is effectively eradicated from the US and all but certain countries in Africa and Asia.

So, once again, I'm not sure what your intention was with the statement "polio=Covid isn't equivalent", of which I agree. Based on the raw numbers alone, in any given year of polio's existence vs the 18-20 months COVID-19 has been with us, the latter has been much, much worse.
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My point is that Covid isn’t comparable to Polio when used as a reason why people should be forced to be vaccinated. It’s that simple.

People use it (as an example as the original poster of that line of reasoning did) talking about freedoms he agreed with then used to illustrate another deadly disease from several decades prior. And should people be forced to get vaccinated.

When I hear “yeah people should have just been allowed to get polio” is rather interesting of how much of a logical fail that is. That because one might be anti Covid vaccine they would be against people getting polio vaccines like it some sort of trimumph logic and rhetoric?

Yeah no.

People should be free to make their own choices as their conscious dictates and be prepared to accept the consequences of that choice.

Ans as someone who is vaccinated as is my wife and kids I fail to see why it should be forced on anyone. As of this moment what does someone who is vaccinated have to worry about? Yes I could still get it but it’s near 100% that I won’t die from it as I understand it. Are vaccinated people passing it along? Again not that I have heard.

And if people want to talk about the immocompromised or another outlier group? There will always be those.
 
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DisneyCane

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seascape said:
FLORIDA IS DOING HORRIBLY. There is no excuse for over 3,000 cases a day. The people of Florida are letting their neighbors suffer because of their refusal to get vaccinated. While I know I am relatively protected against Covid19 because I had it and received 2 shots of the Pfizer Vaccine and will take a booster when available others are making it difficult. Take the shot or let the disease fester and develop more mutations and because vaccine resistant. We, everyone in every country need to take drive Covid19 into the ground.
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The concerning "number" on the report is the total first doses for the week and how it is declining. Granted July 4th weekend was in this so hopefully some of that is due to the Holiday.

I don't understand who is suffering. It is largely the unvaccinated who are getting infected and the vast majority of the seriously ill are unvaccinated. The people not getting vaccinated are letting themselves suffer, not their neighbors. Mutations are not going to have anything to do with the cases in FL. There are countries with barely anybody vaccinated. It doesn't matter if there were 3 cases a day in FL, if a mutation is going to happen, it's going to happen.

The following is from another page in the report. Not that it is shocking, but you can clearly see the higher number of new cases in the age groups with the lower levels of vaccinations (until you get to under 20 where the "youth resistance" seems to start kicking in):

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Again, unless a high percentage of fully vaccinated people or children under 12 start showing up in the hospital, due to COVID, "the numbers" don't really matter because the people ending up in that situation have chosen not to protect themselves.
 
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DisneyCane

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For those who continue to minimize the protection provided by the vaccines, the latest breakthrough case data shows that through 7/6, out of over 157 million fully vaccinated people, 733 have died due to COVID-19 over the course of several months. That's 0.0047%.

That many unvaccinated people are dying from COVID-19 every four days.
 
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Heelz2315

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Would the State of Florida/Mayor of Orange Co have any influence on Disney's decision on restrictions, or does WDW pretty much go by the CDC?
 
TrainsOfDisney

TrainsOfDisney

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DisneyCane said:
For those who continue to minimize the protection provided by the vaccines, the latest breakthrough case data shows that through 7/6, out of over 157 million fully vaccinated people, 733 have died due to COVID-19 over the course of several months. That's 0.0047%.

That many unvaccinated people are dying from COVID-19 every four days.
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Are those USA or worldwide numbers?

I’m not minimizing the protection.
 
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willtravel

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danlb_2000 said:
Actually, all the borders are open because there are numerous exceptions that allow people who have been in other countries to come into the US. Yes, these people are supposed to quarantine, but there is no enforcement of that. Doesn't take many infected people to start an outbreak.
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Well then this to me is all but a damn joke.
 
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DisneyCane

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TrainChasers said:
733 is a pretty high number in the USA alone. I would say that’s concerning since Delta hasn’t really had a good shot at us yet.
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A high number??????????? 733 deaths over the course of several months in the entire country is a HIGH number? I thought you said you weren't minimizing the effectiveness. Even if Delta tripled the number, it would still be incredibly low and a lot lower than flu deaths in a normal year.
 
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Lilofan

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danlb_2000 said:
Actually, all the borders are open because there are numerous exceptions that allow people who have been in other countries to come into the US. Yes, these people are supposed to quarantine, but there is no enforcement of that. Doesn't take many infected people to start an outbreak.
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What else is new? Last summer people entering FL I believe had to quarantine coming from the North. Who was going to monitor them after being stopped by the GA/FL border by law enforcement for a " reminder".
 
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