Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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ABQ

ABQ

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Some visual perspective of the case severity in FL right now.
From DCBaker's post above the cases reported this week exceed those reported for the week of May 7th. However these appear to be less severe as the hospitalization rate is not close to what is was in May.
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Certainly it is trending up, as the cases are, but the rate of increase is much lower. This appears to mirror what has been seen in the UK where their case rate went up 15 fold from May till now (2k to 30k) while hospitalizations went up 4x, 100 to 400.
Perhaps this is a result of the unvaccinated, younger crowd, requiring less hospitalization, perhaps not. Either way, the vaccine has been proven, so hopefully some unvaccinated fence sitter in FL knows someone who is part of this week's 23k and gets their shot.
 
Wendy Pleakley

Wendy Pleakley

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danlb_2000 said:
Actually, all the borders are open because there are numerous exceptions that allow people who have been in other countries to come into the US. Yes, these people are supposed to quarantine, but there is no enforcement of that. Doesn't take many infected people to start an outbreak.
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I would say the borders are semi-open.

For example, Canadians can fly to the USA and back but have to pass a COVID test going each way. Until a few days ago, Canadians flying home had to pay to stay in a government mandated hotel for several days and quarantine for two weeks.

Was enforcement perfect? No. Did some people get around the hotel requirement by flying close to the border and driving across? Did some people simply pay a fine? Sure.

However, I think it's safe to say the rules deterred the majority of travel.

There will always be exceptions and a few people who skirt the rules. Which is why people should, as we've been preaching here forever, get vaccinated already and follow the health guidelines on masks and/or social distancing when applicable.
 
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DisneyCane

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TrainChasers said:
Oh great... we are back to comparing it to flu deaths.
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Ummm... I'm comparing breakthrough deaths in people fully vaccinated against COVID-19, with a hypothetical increase due to the Delta variant, to flu deaths which don't get thirty seconds of news coverage and illustrating how low those hypothetical deaths would be in comparison.

You are deflecting what the discussion was about which was how effective the vaccines are and how there are people (who you claim to not be one of) who minimize this fact in some sort of attempt to justify/promote continued mitigation by fully vaccinated people.

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My thoughts exactly. Those posts will get deleted by the mods shortly.
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I didn't compare COVID to the flu or make any argument to that effect. Read what the discussion was about. We were discussing BREAKTHROUGH INFECTIONS THAT LED TO DEATHS. I mentioned the flu to have a point of comparison to show how low this number is since @TrainChasers is of the opinion that this incredibly low number is high and can get even higher due to the Delta variant.
 
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DisneyFan32

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By Fall if the cases will going start going down lower if many people will getting vaccinating then we will never go back to mask mandates for southern states as some other states too.:cool:
 
Rich Brownn

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Disney Analyst said:
Many people believe that when it comes to something like highly transmissible viruses, the "freedoms/rights" many crow on about go out the door. Measures need to be taken for the greater good of society. That's why you have States of Emergency and Emergency acts that allow governments to make those types of decisions.

You can be against that concept, sure, have at it. But I believe it is necessary.

Covid has been terrible, and I have certainly learned that humans just suck. We can't agree, we can't get along, and we suck. If we get a virus in the future that is WAY worse, imagine Ebola but as transmissible as Covid or more transmissible, I would hope the government steps in and gets us all through it, as I know for a fact we won't be able to do it on our own.
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If the government wanted to, they can indeed force vaccines. The SCOTUS ruled in 1905 (and upheld several times) that a person refusing a smallpox vaccine could be fined and imprisoned, under the "general welfare" of the constitution. Notice I said if they wanted, not that they would. (Although getting rid of smallpox entirely did require some strong arming)
 
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mellyf

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Angel Ariel said:
The area I am in is heavily pushing for no masks for *any* students in the fall. TBH, I see them gaining traction, and this announcement from the CDC will energize that more.
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Same. There is a large group of parents in my school district pushing for no restrictions (or no difference in restrictions between vaccinated and unvaccinated students), including no masks for any students, and no difference in rules for vaccinated and unvaccinated students, including unvaccinated students not needing to quarantine if exposed to the virus.
 
TrainsOfDisney

TrainsOfDisney

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DisneyCane said:
I mentioned the flu to have a point of comparison to show how low this number is since @TrainChasers is of the opinion that this incredibly low number is high and can get even higher due to the Delta variant.
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Yes, I was surprised that over 700 fully vaccinated people have died in the USA. That number did seem high to me.
 
GoofGoof

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TrainChasers said:
Yes, I was surprised that over 700 fully vaccinated people have died in the USA. That number did seem high to me.
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The vaccines have been around for 6+ months now and many of the highest risk people who were more likely to have serious issues with an infection despite being vaccinated went early on so the high risk group have been vaccinated for the better part of those 6 months.
 
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havoc315

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Rich Brownn said:
If the government wanted to, they can indeed force vaccines. The SCOTUS ruled in 1905 (and upheld several times) that a person refusing a smallpox vaccine could be fined and imprisoned, under the "general welfare" of the constitution. Notice I said if they wanted, not that they would. (Although getting rid of smallpox entirely did require some strong arming)
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Complete forced vaccines I think we get rejected by SCOTUS despite the 1905 case -- that would get them to overturn it.

But certainly, you can use the law to strongly encourage it: Require proof of vaccination to board a plane, require it to get a passport possibly. Possibly even require it in order to hold employment (though that could impact Federalism).
States could absolutely require it as a condition of employment, a condition of school enrollment. States can go further and require vaccination status be checked by restaurants and theaters. The Federal government would be more limited.

Basically, what would certainly get upheld: You don't HAVE to get vaccinated ..... But you do have to if you want to actively participate in public society.
 
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