How many fully vaccinated people in the USA have died from "not COVID" in the same period of time? I don't know if that data exists but it is going to be orders of magnitude higher.
It depends on what you mean by "the government." I don't think there is any means by which the federal government can force vaccines. The 1905 case was about a state government being able to do it.
I think it would be upheld if any state wanted to do it. The Florida Statutes have provisions which allow for forced vaccinations under a public health emergency and they didn't change that law in this past legislative session. The Surgeon General would have to declare another public health emergency and then would have the authority to force vaccinations.
I don’t know that answer, but in 2021 while the vaccines were available and those 733 vaccinated people died over 250,000 additional unvaccinated people died from Covid as well. If you want to compare to more recent times since June 1 over 10,000 additional unvaccinated people died.
Then this fall, the spike or surge will cause BIG troubles now so we will GO BACK TO MASK MANDATE IF WE WILL EVER GET INTO 75% OF ENTIRE POPULATION!
We will get there eventually. Vaccination isn’t the only way to become immune. If 70% of the total population is vaccinated by the end of 2021 once kids are all approved and if the delta and future variants are as contagious as advertised and they rip through the unvaccinated population that adds to immunity too. It’s not the easy way for sure, but some people need to learn the hard way. The downside to current and future variants being more contagious is it requires a higher level of immunity to reach herd immunity, but the “upside“ (if you want to call it that) is that the more contagious they are the more unvaccinated people become immune faster. 90% immune can come from 80% vaccinated and half the unvaccinated becoming naturally immune or it can come from 70% vaccinated and 2/3 of the unvaccinated becoming naturally immune. Lots of extra suffering and death the second way, but it’s a path.
Agreed. But we have States like Florida that are doing the exact opposite.
I guess I’m just used to reading “no deaths” from the vaccine trials so seeing the number 700 just in the USA seemed high. Compared to single digits, 700 seems high.
The trials were what, 36,000 people of which half were placebo? We're talking 157 MILLION fully vaccinated. If my numbers are correct for the trial size, you'd expect less than one death from a vaccinated person in the trial based on the breakthrough data to date.
Don’t forget the trials were spread among all demographic groups too. I can see if I can find the study, but the CDC put something out a month or so ago on breakthrough infections and the median age for vaccinated people who died from a breakthrough infection was 82. So the 65+ crowd was represented in the trials but almost 90% of them are vaccinated now and most have been for months. The trials didn’t skew that old.
Pfizer alone had 42000 ( or about) participants once they expanded it. Half placebo. ( all later vaccinated around March)
South Korea = 29% of the population with 1 dose
Thailand = 12%
I’d say they have a lot more to worry about
July 8 US 7 day daily average = 15,993 or 4.83 cases per 100,000
July 1 US 7 day daily average = 13,874 or 4.19 cases per 100,000
That is a 15% increase in cases over the last week which is primarily driven by states with lower vaccination rates. It’s not shocking to see, but we have to keep the numbers in context too. We are not seeing increases in cases everywhere across the board. According to The NY Times tracker about half the states are up less than 10% over the last 14 days including 16 states that are still down. The National increase in cases is driven by 11 states which are showing a >50% increase in cases over the last 14 weeks. Even that is somewhat misleading since states like CA and IL are in that group but still at 4 and 3 cases per 100,000 which is a pretty low level.
I'm confused. Where is there 80% when the math was showing 15? Also why do you compare the US so much to the UK? How the countries vaccinated wildly differ.
That poster peddles a lot of doom and gloom.
I just quoted the numbers…it’s 15% up week over week.
You do understand that at the height of the surge, when no one in the country was vaccinated, we did not approach 500K cases a day, right?
The focus should never be on cases. The focus should be on hospitalizations. That is the only important metric.
