Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[DCBaker]

Here is the new weekly report from the Florida DOH -

 

[DisneyCane]

It wouldn't be a punishment...it's the opposite. The activities are the reward for being vaccinated.

It's more like the kid couldn't go to the movies because they didn't empty the dishwasher like they were supposed to.
Or a kid who couldn't go to a dance because they failed a class and a passing grade was required for attendance.

Let me try a different analogy that works better for adults. To me, a reward is get vaccinated and get a free admission ticket to Animal Kingdom. A punishment is if you don't get vaccinated you aren't allowed to purchase a ticket to Animal Kingdom. The latter is what a vaccine passport would be.

 

[Joffrey]

There's people on this thread that seem giddy at the possibility of unvaccinated people dying. And some seem to be hoping for it.

If you're wishing other humans to die, you made a wrong turn somewhere in your life. Also, you act like everyone who isn't vaccinated is infected.

 

[Zummi Gummi]

There's people on this thread that seem giddy at the possibility of unvaccinated people dying. And some seem to be hoping for it.

If you're wishing other humans to die, you made a wrong turn somewhere in your life. Also, you act like everyone who isn't vaccinated is infected.

I don’t wish for anyone to die, but…

If you were offered the opportunity to receive a vaccine and you declined it because you thought you would be implanted with a tracking chip or that it infringed on your “freedom,” you also made a wrong turn somewhere in life.

 

[ImperfectPixie]

Let me try a different analogy that works better for adults. To me, a reward is get vaccinated and get a free admission ticket to Animal Kingdom. A punishment is if you don't get vaccinated you aren't allowed to purchase a ticket to Animal Kingdom. The latter is what a vaccine passport would be.

No - sorry. You're just wrong on this plain and simple.

Do we let teenagers who don't pass their driver's license tests drive cars? No, we don't.
Do we allow children who don't do their chores do whatever they want and buy them presents? No, we don't - unless we love having a Veruca Salt in the house.
Do we let people live in apartments or houses without paying their rent/mortgage? No, we don't.

Sorry...there are many, many aspects of life that have requirements attached to them...they aren't punishments...they're requirements.

 

[Jwink]

Here is the new weekly report from the Florida DOH -

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% positive going up is probably not good

 

[Touchdown]

There's people on this thread that seem giddy at the possibility of unvaccinated people dying. And some seem to be hoping for it.

If you're wishing other humans to die, you made a wrong turn somewhere in your life. Also, you act like everyone who isn't vaccinated is infected.

I’m not giddy for those people to die, but I have zero sympathy for them if they do. To use an analogy, the horse was lead to water, his head was submerged in the water to the point of nearly passing out but yet the horse still died of dehydration.

Unilike Mr T I don’t pity fools.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Let me try a different analogy that works better for adults. To me, a reward is get vaccinated and get a free admission ticket to Animal Kingdom. A punishment is if you don't get vaccinated you aren't allowed to purchase a ticket to Animal Kingdom. The latter is what a vaccine passport would be.plppppppopppppllpppp

I still admire your ability to keep stepping into the batters box and trying to hack away at the off speed pitches

There's people on this thread that seem giddy at the possibility of unvaccinated people dying. And some seem to be hoping for it.

If you're wishing other humans to die, you made a wrong turn somewhere in your life. Also, you act like everyone who isn't vaccinated is infected.

It’s a little more complicated than that…but it does come off that way

I don’t wish for anyone to die, but…

If you were offered the opportunity to receive a vaccine and you declined it because you thought you would be implanted with a tracking chip or that it infringed on your “freedom,” you also made a wrong turn somewhere in life.

And that’s why it’s complicated…

many people have had to endure the “power of stupid” routine In the US…really since the early 90’s…
…the “power of not stupid” that is growing on the covid actions was bound to gain steam as well.

 

[LittleBuford]

There's people on this thread that seem giddy at the possibility of unvaccinated people dying. And some seem to be hoping for it.

If you're wishing other humans to die, you made a wrong turn somewhere in your life. Also, you act like everyone who isn't vaccinated is infected.

While I agree with you that many here are expressing a shocking lack of empathy, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with treating those who choose (without good reason) to remain unvaccinated as a potential public-health risk, because that’s exactly what they are.

 

[Figgy1]

While I agree with you that many here are expressing a shocking lack of empathy, I don’t think there’s anything wrong with treating those who choose (without good reason) to remain unvaccinated as a potential public-health risk, because that’s exactly what they are.

How's your dad doing? Any hope of him going home soon?

 

[LittleBuford]

I’m not giddy for those people to die, but I have zero sympathy for them if they do. To use an analogy, the horse was lead to water, his head was submerged in the water to the point of nearly passing out but yet the horse still died of dehydration.

Unilike Mr T I don’t pity fools.

This is the kind of statement that gives the rest of us pro-vaxxers a bad name.

 

[LittleBuford]

How's your dad doing? Any hope of him going home soon?

Thanks for asking! He has been home for a few weeks now and is slowly regaining his strength. He still has a long road to recovery ahead, but he’s well outside the danger zone now.

 

[correcaminos]

I don’t wish for anyone to die, but…

If you were offered the opportunity to receive a vaccine and you declined it because you thought you would be implanted with a tracking chip or that it infringed on your “freedom,” you also made a wrong turn somewhere in life.

I personally range from annoyed at these people for being kind of selfish and being apathetic. I feel I did my part and my job and then some with the hours I put in helping people vaccinate and stuff with the trial. The apathy comes in when I feel a bit helpless like I cannot do anything more than I've done really. I don't ever wish ill on people, but at this point I am frustrated in a way and sometimes just plain apathetic - what more can we do to get people to vaccinate?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m not giddy for those people to die, but I have zero sympathy for them if they do. To use an analogy, the horse was lead to water, his head was submerged in the water to the point of nearly passing out but yet the horse still died of dehydration.

Unilike Mr T I don’t pity fools.

…today’s winner

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

If you were offered the opportunity to receive a vaccine and you declined it because you thought you would be implanted with a tracking chip or that it infringed on your “freedom,” you also made a wrong turn somewhere in life.

What if you were concerned because of reported side effects? My mom got the vaccine because of her doctor telling her to but she still says she’s worried about possible side effects.

People choose not to fly out of fear even though it’s one of the safest modes of transportation and much safer than the usual alternative (driving a personal vehicle long distances). That doesn’t mean I have 0 empathy if they die in a car crash.

 

[mmascari]

If you require vaccine passports for certain activities, you are punishing the unvaccinated by not allowing them to do those activities. I think a better strategy would be rewards for getting vaccinated since the punitive strategy may lead to people digging in even more.

It's just marketing, the mechanism is the same either way.

It's like a gas station that charges extra to use a credit card. That's the punishment stick for using a credit card, and probably not allowed in the credit processors agreement.

So, instead they offer a discount when you use cash, and advertise the cash discount price on signs. Now it's a carrot for using cash.

Between the two, nothing changed at all. It's the same 2 prices and the credit card one is higher.

A vaccine passport would need good marketing to show it as a carrot for vaccinated people instead of a punishment for unvaccinated. Either way, the mechanism is the same, vaccinated people are allowed something that unvaccinated are not.

Let me try a different analogy that works better for adults. To me, a reward is get vaccinated and get a free admission ticket to Animal Kingdom. A punishment is if you don't get vaccinated you aren't allowed to purchase a ticket to Animal Kingdom. The latter is what a vaccine passport would be.

Change the Animal Kingdom ticket price to $10,000 and offer a $9,900 discount for vaccinated people. Same effect, nobody (or not enough to matter) is going to pay the full price.

Just like, is the Dole Whip a reward for not punching your sibling or is not getting it a punishment for punching them? Same effect, it's the marketing that's different.

 

[Joffrey]

I don’t wish for anyone to die, but…

If you were offered the opportunity to receive a vaccine and you declined it because you thought you would be implanted with a tracking chip or that it infringed on your “freedom,” you also made a wrong turn somewhere in life.

Do you believe that people should have no autonomy on medical treatment or health choices?

 

[correcaminos]

What if you were concerned because of reported side effects? My mom got the vaccine because of her doctor telling her to but she still says she’s worried about possible side effects.

People choose not to fly out of fear even though it’s one of the safest modes of transportation and much safer than the usual alternative (driving a personal vehicle long distances). That doesn’t mean I have 0 empathy if they die in a car crash.

To a level I understand. For those who have no issues taking a day off if they do experience stronger side effects like roughly 10-15% do, then we're back at my post above about annoyance and apathy. I just want to say "buck up and do it". For those who it really is a hardship financially or in terms of child care, I 100% am sympathetic and would hope to find ways to help. For those with legit health concerns, I'm totally fine

So there isn't a real black and white answer for me. When I speak of annoyance and apathy though, I really am talking the people looking for excuses - and there are many. Those who have legit issues, I totally wish I could help. Simply being afraid of side effects without real cause, I'm there to hold hands and calm fears.

If your mom was told to get the vaccine and is still holding out due to side effects and has no real hardships if she does experience them (assuming no medical issues to worry about) then honestly? Buck up and get it. That's truly where I've landed. I loathe needles and actually legitimately deal with anxiety attacks while getting stuck and drawn. Those are worse than panic attacks as they linger for a day or two. If I can go and get stuck and had blood drawn multiple times for the trial, then people who have no legit excuses can get their damn shot.

Do you believe that people should have no autonomy on medical treatment or health choices?

If I send my kid to public school - and I do - I have little choice in vaccination as it is. Really this is the same to me. Not all things are ever 100% your choice when it comes to doing what's right for the whole.

 

[Figgy1]

Thanks for asking! He has been home for a few weeks now and is slowly regaining his strength. He still has a long road to recovery ahead, but he’s well outside the danger zone now.

Thank you for sharing such great news and wish him well from your friends here

 

[Touchdown]

This is the kind of statement that gives the rest of us pro-vaxxers a bad name.

What exactly do you want me to do?

1. It can’t be any easier to get vaccines now, you can walk in to any grocery store, doctors office or pharmacy without an appointment, it’s no longer a hassle to get one.

2. There have been countless outreaches to educate the public, though multiple channels. There is not much more we can do on that front, Facebook Karen says everything doctors say are untrue and that’s that.

3. The idea of more forceful efforts like employee mandates and vaccine passports have been floated and the unvaccinated are the most vocal and violent in their opposition to it, I don’t need another mass shooting over this, again they win. I’m done trying this option.

4. Which leads me to my current philosophy, Live and let die. Why should I care one little bit about someone else’s life if they don’t care about their own? They deserve even less of my pity then drug users, at least with them addiction is real and a major deterrent to them improving their life. There is zero barriers to an unvaccinated person becoming vaccinated. Why exactly should I care about their colossally stupid decision?