News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom

[180º]

Stooooooop I would *LOVE* that . . .

EDITED To Add: In case anyone reads this with any hint of sarcasm, I really, really mean it.

Pinocchio would be cool but how about a Legend of Sleepy Hollow dark ride accessed from the walkway between Sleepy Hollow Refreshments and the castle? Then it’s just a matter of figuring out some kind of shallow facility to squeeze into that space facing Fantasyland. Shooting gallery?

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Pinocchio would be cool but how about a Legend of Sleepy Hollow dark ride accessed from the walkway between Sleepy Hollow Refreshments and the castle? Then it’s just a matter of figuring out some kind of shallow facility to squeeze into that space facing Fantasyland. Shooting gallery?

Honestly, if they did that I'd probably be willing to let them use the Fantasyland side of that building to expand the Bibbidi Bobbidi Boutique. That's how much I'd be into that.

I still can't help but wonder what it would have been like if they'd built Sleepy Hollow, Mary Poppins, and Sleeping Beauty dark rides at WDW in place of Toad, Peter Pan, and Snow White like has long been rumored. A Sleepy Hollow dark ride built in Pan's location would have made for the perfect transition between Fantasyland and Liberty Square.

 

[Bocabear]

Move Small World to EPCOT and you have room for at least two dark rides...

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Move Small World to EPCOT and you have room for at least two dark rides...

Please, let's not start this again . . .

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

I still wish an updated Snow White Dark Ride had been built underneath the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train, with the attractions weaving through each other - the Dark Ride could focus more on Snow and the Queen, the Mine Train more on the Dwarfs, and they could share a show scene in the Mine where the different vehicles are visible to each other, adding another layer to each experience and giving children too short for the Mine Train a peek into the it from the Dark Ride. Sort of like how the People Mover offers a glimpse at Space Mountain. Then the rides could again go their separate ways and have their individual finales.

Seeing what they just did at Snow White in Disneyland makes me wish more than ever we could have had something like that tucked away under the Mine Train hillside, showing the other sides of the Snow White story.

I don’t understand why Disney doesn’t do more of that. There are guests who won’t/can’t ride seven dwarves because it’s a coaster. Let them see the inside of the mountain with the mine scene as well. The dark ride vehicles and the mine train both would add kinetic energy to each other as well. Like the steam train and steam boat passing by Big Thunder.

Hey, if you’re going to build something from scratch, why not multiple dark rides with a “storybook” style boat ride built in to them. So each dark ride has a scene that the storybook cruise travels through.

So many opportunities and we get Storytime with Belle and a the plastic mermaid ride. :-/

 

[doctornick]

I still wish an updated Snow White Dark Ride had been built underneath the Seven Dwarfs Mine Train, with the attractions weaving through each other - the Dark Ride could focus more on Snow and the Queen, the Mine Train more on the Dwarfs, and they could share a show scene in the Mine where the different vehicles are visible to each other, adding another layer to each experience and giving children too short for the Mine Train a peek into the it from the Dark Ride. Sort of like how the People Mover offers a glimpse at Space Mountain. Then the rides could again go their separate ways and have their individual finales.

Seeing what they just did at Snow White in Disneyland makes me wish more than ever we could have had something like that tucked away under the Mine Train hillside, showing the other sides of the Snow White story.

I agree with this. They did a terrible job using all the footprint that 7DMT is on. They could have easily buried a small dark ride in the corner across from Belle’s village and really buffed up that pathway. Personally I feel like a Sleeping Beauty attraction would have been a good choice to add something distinct.

Regarding Snow White, they really should have kept SWSA as is stupid losing that for a M&G space. Wish they’d change it back...

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

I agree with this. They did a terrible job using all the footprint that 7DMT is on. They could have easily buried a small dark ride in the corner across from Belle’s village and really buffed up that pathway. Personally I feel like a Sleeping Beauty attraction would have been a good choice to add something distinct.

Regarding Snow White, they really should have kept SWSA as is stupid losing that for a M&G space. Wish they’d change it back...

If Snow White's Scary Adventures had been converted into a Sleeping Beauty Dark Ride and a new Snow White Dark Ride was built under the Mine Train, you wouldn't have heard an ounce of complaint out of me.

Somewhere in the deep, forgotten recesses of my brain I choose to remain optimistic that one day Princess Fairytale Hall will be turned back into some sort of dark ride . . . but I'm not holding my breath for it.

 

[doctornick]

Sleeping Beauty has always struck me as something that could make a good dark ride - even as a “princess” property, it could potentially have some great show scenes thanks to Maleficent with green fire, thorns and a dragon. And the good fairies can be used for comic relief. I’m surprised they haven’t done too much with the property in the parks.

 

[JoeCamel]

So is Tron open yeat?

 

[dmw]

So is Tron open yeat?

seriously! This thread is derailed more than the Tron construction itself.

 

[Bocabear]

Actually rather than Sleeping Beauty, WDW's Flagship park should actually have the first ever Cinderella dark ride...where Snow White used to be... It would just make sense and be a meaningful addition to the park... Get rid of Fairytale Hall Meet and Greet.

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Actually rather than Sleeping Beauty, WDW's Flagship park should actually have the first ever Cinderella dark ride...where Snow White used to be... It would just make sense and be a meaningful addition to the park... Get rid of Fairytale Hall Meet and Greet.

That would have been a nice gift for the 50th.

I've toyed with the idea on my own, going so far as to build a little model in Blacklight:

But now we've veered back *very* off topic. Can't wait for TRON!

 

[EricsBiscuit]

I’m still waiting for Pinocchios Daring Journey to go where Philharmagic is.

Or is that so early 80s?

Why don’t they put a nice little dark ride where that princess meet and greet is? Maybe a Snow White ride would work well there? Just a thought.

 

[wdwmagic]

Let's stay on topic guys. Feel free to start another thread and link to it from there.

 

[UNCgolf]

TRON is so short that it doesn't add that much to the park's capacity (beyond the people waiting in line for it, of course). If you have two rides that can both get through 1000 people an hour, but one is a minute long and one is 15 minutes long, the latter essentially has 15x the capacity of the first because it's keeping riders out of the park 15x as long. Of course that's overly simplistic -- it's not really 15x because you're likely spending more time in line than you are on the actual ride; it would only be 15x if everyone was able to walk-on with no wait times at all -- but it's demonstrative.

Two 5-10 minute long dark rides (which they could certainly fit inside that gigantic box) with a similar hourly capacity as TRON, even if they each had a wait time half as long as TRON's, would be functionally/operationally better for the park.

 

[Skibum1970]

TRON is so short that it doesn't add that much to the park's capacity (beyond the people waiting in line for it, of course). If you have two rides that can both get through 1000 people an hour, but one is a minute long and one is 15 minutes long, the latter essentially has 15x the capacity of the first because it's keeping riders out of the park 15x as long. Of course that's overly simplistic -- it's not really 15x because you're likely spending more time in line than you are on the actual ride; it would only be 15x if everyone was able to walk-on with no wait times at all -- but it's demonstrative.

Two 5-10 minute long dark rides (which they could certainly fit inside that gigantic box) with a similar hourly capacity as TRON, even if they each had a wait time half as long as TRON's, would be functionally/operationally better for the park.

And, if any good, far more satisfying for guests.

 

[owlsandcoffee]

TRON is so short that it doesn't add that much to the park's capacity (beyond the people waiting in line for it, of course). If you have two rides that can both get through 1000 people an hour, but one is a minute long and one is 15 minutes long, the latter essentially has 15x the capacity of the first because it's keeping riders out of the park 15x as long. Of course that's overly simplistic -- it's not really 15x because you're likely spending more time in line than you are on the actual ride; it would only be 15x if everyone was able to walk-on with no wait times at all -- but it's demonstrative.

Two 5-10 minute long dark rides (which they could certainly fit inside that gigantic box) with a similar hourly capacity as TRON, even if they each had a wait time half as long as TRON's, would be functionally/operationally better for the park.

You are correct, but I think Disney is trying to build more thrill rides in Florida. I think Mermaid was the last Omnimover ride Disney has made. RotR is the latest "dark ride" although it's very different and pushes the boundaries of that concept way further out. MMRR too. They're aiming for a balance, although having two thrill coasters right next to each other in TL doesn't actually achieve that.

 

[DrewmanS]

TRON is so short that it doesn't add that much to the park's capacity (beyond the people waiting in line for it, of course). If you have two rides that can both get through 1000 people an hour, but one is a minute long and one is 15 minutes long, the latter essentially has 15x the capacity of the first because it's keeping riders out of the park 15x as long. Of course that's overly simplistic -- it's not really 15x because you're likely spending more time in line than you are on the actual ride; it would only be 15x if everyone was able to walk-on with no wait times at all -- but it's demonstrative.

Two 5-10 minute long dark rides (which they could certainly fit inside that gigantic box) with a similar hourly capacity as TRON, even if they each had a wait time half as long as TRON's, would be functionally/operationally better for the park.

I get the point you are making, but it doesn’t really scale as much as you think. Let’s say a popular ride has a 30 minute wait. In your example the ride loads 1000 guests and hour. So that is 500 people in line. If the ride is 1 minute long, that means about 17 people are on the ride at any given time. If the ride is 15 minutes long, that’s 250 people on the ride. Yes, that’s 15x the capacity, but the longer ride is only increasing total capacity by about 233 people. The line is actually the bigger people eater.

Logistically, you want to build a ride the will create the longest line people are willing to stand in. Tron will likely draw more people then Journey of the Little Mermaid.

The impact of ride length on customer satisfaction is a completely different analysis, but your point was about capacity.

So, while we would all love a dark ride with high capacity and well executed story that lasted for 10+ minutes, I doubt we will see the likes of that again, because Disney can’t afford to build a ride where people get board, because then you end up with no line. Instead, we now get “interactive” or story telling cues. They become part of the experience. It not a 30 minute line and 1 minute ride, it’s a 31 minute experience!

 

[Giss Neric]

TRON is so short that it doesn't add that much to the park's capacity (beyond the people waiting in line for it, of course). If you have two rides that can both get through 1000 people an hour, but one is a minute long and one is 15 minutes long, the latter essentially has 15x the capacity of the first because it's keeping riders out of the park 15x as long. Of course that's overly simplistic -- it's not really 15x because you're likely spending more time in line than you are on the actual ride; it would only be 15x if everyone was able to walk-on with no wait times at all -- but it's demonstrative.

Two 5-10 minute long dark rides (which they could certainly fit inside that gigantic box) with a similar hourly capacity as TRON, even if they each had a wait time half as long as TRON's, would be functionally/operationally better for the park.

Most rollercoasters nowadays especially those from the rollercoaster parks, ride length averages 1-2 minutes and that includes the chain lift hill so you deduct like 20-30 seconds from the total ride. Launch coasters will feel shorter of course. Gone are the days where rollercoasters are as long as Big Thunder, Space Mountain, or even Incredicoaster which is one of the longest actually.

Hagrid's is a pretty long ride but the legit rollercoaster portion is barely 2 minutes, not including the parts where they slow down on the dark ride elements.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Gone are the days where rollercoasters are as long as Big Thunder, Space Mountain, or even Incredicoaster which is one of the longest actually.

Well... GotG:CR is touted as being one of the longest indoor coasters.

And yes, there's a lot of parsing to be done there. But, there's hope for a notable length (compared to other coasters).