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News Tron coaster coming to the Magic Kingdom
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UNCgolf
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TRON is so short that it doesn't add that much to the park's capacity (beyond the people waiting in line for it, of course). If you have two rides that can both get through 1000 people an hour, but one is a minute long and one is 15 minutes long, the latter essentially has 15x the capacity of the first because it's keeping riders out of the park 15x as long. Of course that's overly simplistic -- it's not really 15x because you're likely spending more time in line than you are on the actual ride; it would only be 15x if everyone was able to walk-on with no wait times at all -- but it's demonstrative.
Two 5-10 minute long dark rides (which they could certainly fit inside that gigantic box) with a similar hourly capacity as TRON, even if they each had a wait time half as long as TRON's, would be functionally/operationally better for the park.
Two 5-10 minute long dark rides (which they could certainly fit inside that gigantic box) with a similar hourly capacity as TRON, even if they each had a wait time half as long as TRON's, would be functionally/operationally better for the park.
Skibum1970
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And, if any good, far more satisfying for guests.
owlsandcoffee
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You are correct, but I think Disney is trying to build more thrill rides in Florida. I think Mermaid was the last Omnimover ride Disney has made. RotR is the latest "dark ride" although it's very different and pushes the boundaries of that concept way further out. MMRR too. They're aiming for a balance, although having two thrill coasters right next to each other in TL doesn't actually achieve that.
DrewmanS
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I get the point you are making, but it doesn’t really scale as much as you think. Let’s say a popular ride has a 30 minute wait. In your example the ride loads 1000 guests and hour. So that is 500 people in line. If the ride is 1 minute long, that means about 17 people are on the ride at any given time. If the ride is 15 minutes long, that’s 250 people on the ride. Yes, that’s 15x the capacity, but the longer ride is only increasing total capacity by about 233 people. The line is actually the bigger people eater.
Logistically, you want to build a ride the will create the longest line people are willing to stand in. Tron will likely draw more people then Journey of the Little Mermaid.
The impact of ride length on customer satisfaction is a completely different analysis, but your point was about capacity.
So, while we would all love a dark ride with high capacity and well executed story that lasted for 10+ minutes, I doubt we will see the likes of that again, because Disney can’t afford to build a ride where people get board, because then you end up with no line. Instead, we now get “interactive” or story telling cues. They become part of the experience. It not a 30 minute line and 1 minute ride, it’s a 31 minute experience!
Giss Neric
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Most rollercoasters nowadays especially those from the rollercoaster parks, ride length averages 1-2 minutes and that includes the chain lift hill so you deduct like 20-30 seconds from the total ride. Launch coasters will feel shorter of course. Gone are the days where rollercoasters are as long as Big Thunder, Space Mountain, or even Incredicoaster which is one of the longest actually.
Hagrid's is a pretty long ride but the legit rollercoaster portion is barely 2 minutes, not including the parts where they slow down on the dark ride elements.
Well... GotG:CR is touted as being one of the longest indoor coasters.
And yes, there's a lot of parsing to be done there. But, there's hope for a notable length (compared to other coasters).
So........I'm seeing on Twitter that this is delayed till early 2023????(Rewind is mid 2022 which might have been expected?) So, who knows if it''ll even make the 50th celebration! Very interesting this Rumor?/Breaking News? is coming out the first Preview day for IOA's new Coaster. USF prob. has CineCele tonight as well... Peoplemover reopening is a big step in the right direction but we need more GOOD News from TDO!!
TheMaxRebo
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I am sure there is some benefit to spreading out the construction cost to as many fiscal quarters and years as possible ....
But I think the bigger thing is spreading out the "draws" to get people to come back. After these three new attractions there probably isn't anything else new coming for a while, so they spread it out to Rat in 2021, GG:CR in 2022, and then Tron in 2023, that covers three years of having a big draw and then gives them to 2024 to have something else new (the SSE refurb?)
If they open all three by mid 2022, there would be a big gap until the next big new thing (and wouldn't have the 50th as an additional draw then)
Just to add, this assumes that rumor is correct. I think they will get both open within the 18 month long 50th celebration which technically means though early 2023, but I think both open in 2022 - one in first half and one in 2nd
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All our reliable sources here say 2022. You have link for the Twitter source?
You're starting to complain about a rumor that is likely not true.
UNCgolf
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I get the point you are making, but it doesn’t really scale as much as you think. Let’s say a popular ride has a 30 minute wait. In your example the ride loads 1000 guests and hour. So that is 500 people in line. If the ride is 1 minute long, that means about 17 people are on the ride at any given time. If the ride is 15 minutes long, that’s 250 people on the ride. Yes, that’s 15x the capacity, but the longer ride is only increasing total capacity by about 233 people. The line is actually the bigger people eater.
Logistically, you want to build a ride the will create the longest line people are willing to stand in. Tron will likely draw more people then Journey of the Little Mermaid.
The impact of ride length on customer satisfaction is a completely different analysis, but your point was about capacity.
So, while we would all love a dark ride with high capacity and well executed story that lasted for 10+ minutes, I doubt we will see the likes of that again, because Disney can’t afford to build a ride where people get board, because then you end up with no line. Instead, we now get “interactive” or story telling cues. They become part of the experience. It not a 30 minute line and 1 minute ride, it’s a 31 minute experience!
I know -- I very specifically made the same point you're making about wait times vs. ride length. A hypothetical 233 people per hour capacity increase is significant, though, especially if you get it on 2 or 3 rides instead of just one. Even just 100 people per hour cascades out to over 1000 people total during the park's open hours. Those sort of incremental differences can make a huge difference overall when it happens in multiple places.
Again, two 7-10 minute dark rides that have half the wait times of TRON would still be functionally/operationally better for the park. If 1500 people are waiting in line for TRON, and only 750 people are waiting in line for each of the others, those two rides still increase the total capacity of the park and have more guests busy for longer. It's not a dramatic increase, but it is one, and as you mentioned, they may have higher guest satisfaction as well (although that's completely dependent on each individual guest's sensibilities).
There's also no reason to think that those hypothetical dark rides would have short or no lines. Little Mermaid has short lines because it's a bad attraction. Good dark rides like Haunted Mansion do get long lines when the park is busy, and Peter Pan's Flight (which admittedly has a low capacity, although probably not that much less than TRON) has the kind of lines they'd be happy to see for TRON (2+ hours at times). When you actually consider all the factors, it's hard to argue that TRON is going to be better for the park's capacity than two good long dark rides (or other types of attraction; they don't have to be dark rides) in that space.
I'm sure it's just the cost/benefit analysis. Building two longer attractions in that space would be a bigger benefit to the park, but it would also cost a lot more money than cloning TRON. The cost difference is large enough to offset the benefit difference.
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TrainsOfDisney
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Mansion, Pirates, and Small World all have consistent lines with very high capacities.
Little Mermaid is not a great attraction, but it’s also practically hidden in an odd section of the park. It’s not good enough that people will make an extra effort to get to it, and it’s not next to anything else. The main pathway of the park takes you by the entrance to the mine train and Winnie the Pooh.
Little Mermaid is not a great attraction, but it’s also practically hidden in an odd section of the park. It’s not good enough that people will make an extra effort to get to it, and it’s not next to anything else. The main pathway of the park takes you by the entrance to the mine train and Winnie the Pooh.
Thanks - I can see your point about spreading out expenditure. Hopefully this rumor is just that, and they stick to a late 2022 debut. I feel that having Magic Kingdom - the park that is actually celebrating its golden anniversary - go without a new attraction until the tail end of the anniversary celebrations - in fact, two calendar years after the anniversary year - is really pushing it. Without anything else on the horizon, it's a pretty sad celebration all around. I hope they gather enough momentum from the (potential) economic rebound to loosen some of the budget-strings by next year, but it will still take time for anything to actually materialize on the ground given their long construction lead times, even for cloned attractions which don't have the same R&D lead time.
BREAKING: Update on TRON Lightcycle & Cosmic Rewind Opening Dates
According to a source of ours which had the opportunity to speak with Josh D'Amaro, Chairman of Disney Parks, the news is not what we were hoping for.
streamingthemagic.com
From Streaming The Magic, IDK what their track record really is... The only bit of news that stood out to me is they were the first to break(that I saw) Dream Along's Closing for Friendship Faire.
It's not even on "That Other Site" if that means anything...
optjay
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I cant believe anyone would consider Tron a "draw".
Something to do while already on a WDW trip, but not something to book a WDW trip specifically to ride.
jt04
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I think you'd be surprised the impact have having a major new attraction open every year as a standard has. Maybe not with most but I'm guessing it does with a large percentage. And definitely has to help a DVC sales pitch. Tron is the biggest event at the MK since Splash opened.
IMO.
UNCgolf
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Did you forget about New Fantasyland? There's no comparison between that and TRON in terms of what kind of event they were supposed to be.
New Fantasyland just underwhelmed (much like TRON will).