Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Incomudro]

That policy logic doesn't make sense though. Kids may not be as adversely affected by covid but they are the most likely to spread any germ. Kids are unvaccinated, every vaccine has a fail rate and we haven't reached a broad decline in cases everywhere. I have been awake during all of this coverage that schools can't open because kids will spread it to teachers. Schools still aren't changing protocol. Cedar Point may as well remove the mask mandate altogether. I don't love seeing kids in masks but they are the most likely carriers now that most adults are vaccinated. We've moved to very strict limits on everything to a quick reversal before the vaccine has a chance to do its thing. I just want to go places. I'll wear a mask, fine. I just want things to be open.

But if they carry it to a population (adults) that are mostly vaccinated, the impact will be low.
Case numbers will mean much less when, and as those case numbers don't add up to high hospitalizations and deaths.

 

[Abs]

That's good news. Schools are definitely having issues where I live so it might be a while before kids can benefit from that herd immunity. One school in the next town over is having a big problem even at elementary schools. One case after another and it's causing staffing issues from the quarantines. My compromise would be keeping most of the same measures in place at Disney until school is done. It seems like many schools even in less restricted states don't plan to change mask policy for 2021-2022 so I guess I feel like kids still need some protections in places where risk can take hold. Disney still has a crowded element to it that qualifies it for maybe a more gradual pull back. I felt very safe last summer when we went and I didn't see anyone in distress or not following the rules. I guess I'd like to hang on a little longer to that safety for my child until he can get the shot. I'm not going to lie - I don't want him to get sick at all with anything. It sucked so much when my husband got sick there a couple years ago. We missed out on our last day and all of us caught it when we returned home. I feel nervous about catching anything early on in the trip and then the vacation being ruined. I see masks in crowded places as a small price to pay. I have different opinions locally as some places are more risky than others.

Not true. I am in Texas and our district and all surrounding districts have already said the goal for the next school year is to operate like normal. The mask mandate ends June 1st. I personally think it's way too soon to put that in the universe but they did. It will be interesting to see what happens. Cases have fallen off a cliff though so if they remain low maybe it will be okay.

 

[correcaminos]

That policy logic doesn't make sense though. Kids may not be as adversely affected by covid but they are the most likely to spread any germ. Kids are unvaccinated, every vaccine has a fail rate and we haven't reached a broad decline in cases everywhere. I have been awake during all of this coverage that schools can't open or resume full time because kids will spread it to teachers. Schools still aren't changing protocol. Cedar Point may as well remove the mask mandate altogether. I don't love seeing kids in masks but they are the most likely carriers now that most adults are vaccinated. We've moved to very strict limits on everything to a quick reversal before the vaccine has a chance to do its thing. I just want to go places. I'll wear a mask, fine. I just want things to be open.

It makes sense to me as a parent. We did outdoor meets with distance laet year and no masks. Because outdoors doesn't risk transmission. Ohio has never had an outdoor mask mandate unless you couldn't keep distance. This is in line with what we've been doing over a year now.

 

[mickeymiss]

But if they carry it to a population (adults) that are mostly vaccinated, the impact will be low.
Case numbers will mean much less when, and as those case numbers don't add up to high hospitalizations and deaths.

My anxiety has always been based around my son who gets hit hard by even ordinary viruses. I want protecting kids to matter too while we wait for their vaccine eligibility. We have rearranged society to protect everyone else. I don't want my son to get covid even if he will likely recover. I think holding onto some safety measures in crowded places is so reasonable since the vaccine is likely going to be approved for kids sooner than later. I think it's also fair to wait to see if it's even true that kids will be protected by adult herd immunity. No signs of it where I live. Schools are going remote because of cases.

 

[DisneyCane]

This could be wishful thinking but I really think masks, reduced capacity and distancing prevented us from getting sick during our trip last summer. People thought going to Disney was so reckless and we didn't get sick at all. We felt so safe and it was never the imposition that I worried it would be. I think every business should be allowed to open but masks are something we were literally forced to accept and my compromise is just to keep them in place where risk might be a bit higher (flights, crowded theme parks, etc) until all ages can be immunized.

I think some of the "I always get sick when..." is just a perception and sometimes purely coincidence. There was a time back in the 2005-2008 when I would spend around 20 days a year in the parks. I didn't get sick any more those years than normal and there wasn't a pattern of it happening after visiting the parks.

In the past, I did tend to get sick pretty frequently after air travel. Then I started using sanitizing wipes on my seating area as soon as I boarded. Since I started doing that, I can't recall a time where it seemed I got sick from traveling. That could be coincidence as well.

 

[Chomama]

My anxiety has always been based around my son who gets hit hard by even ordinary viruses. I want protecting kids to matter too while we wait for their vaccine eligibility. We have rearranged society to protect everyone else. I don't want my son to get covid even if he will likely recover. I think holding onto some safety measures in crowded places is so reasonable since the vaccine is likely going to be approved for kids sooner than later. I think it's also fair to wait to see if it's even true that kids will be protected by adult herd immunity. No signs of it where I live. Schools are going remote because of cases.

There is actually evidence that herd immunity in adults protects kids. Linking article:
https://undark.org/2021/04/20/do-kids-really-need-to-be-vaccinated-for-covid/

 

[GoofGoof]

To pick on GoofGoof, there's another risk in here. Just like this part of your comment left off the AND with the other metrics. That's a risk with the vaccinated percent metric. That people stop reading, never see the and, and just stop once the vaccinated metric is good enough even if the rest are not. I believe you suggested setting a vaccinated metric that's high enough to ensure the others must get there if you've met it. As a way to be sure we get there, even if we're not paying attention to all the details.

We can agree to disagree on this. You set the target and if you hit it you remove the restrictions. There’s no reason to believe the vaccines don’t work and won’t lead to a reduction. I have no issue with whatever risk there is that the vaccines don’t work. Better to get more people vaccinated.

 

[DisneyFan32]

We can agree to disagree on this. You set the target and if you hit it you remove the restrictions. There’s no reason to believe the vaccines don’t work and won’t lead to a reduction. I have no issue with whatever risk there is that the vaccines don’t work. Better to get more people vaccinated.

In that case, wear a mask, get a vaccine, wash your hands, and avoid from large crowds folks in a couple more months left then we will go back to normal soon as possible!

 

[correcaminos]

My anxiety has always been based around my son who gets hit hard by even ordinary viruses. I want protecting kids to matter too while we wait for their vaccine eligibility. We have rearranged society to protect everyone else. I don't want my son to get covid even if he will likely recover. I think holding onto some safety measures in crowded places is so reasonable since the vaccine is likely going to be approved for kids sooner than later. I think it's also fair to wait to see if it's even true that kids will be protected by adult herd immunity. No signs of it where I live. Schools are going remote because of cases.

Can I ask where you live?

 

[SamusAranX]

Can I ask where you live?

Probably a house if I had to guess

 

[Smooth]

Walk-in vaccine appointments available all day at Paul Brown Stadium

Thousands of people from Cincinnati and surrounding communities will receive their first COVID-19 shots Sunday at Paul Brown Stadium.

www.wcpo.com

Only 1000 people showed up.

 

[mmascari]

We can agree to disagree on this. You set the target and if you hit it you remove the restrictions. There’s no reason to believe the vaccines don’t work and won’t lead to a reduction. I have no issue with whatever risk there is that the vaccines don’t work. Better to get more people vaccinated.

Yes. But, go back to what this specific metric is "50% of adults in the county have been vaccinated" Not even 50% of people, just adults. That doesn't sound like enough to get enough of an impact. To your point, pick a metric. But, if you're only going to pick a vaccinated only metric, it better be high enough to really matter. In this case, they didn't, they also picked other stuff. Which lets them have a lower vaccinated metric, assuming people read the whole thing and don't stop at the first thing. I think you would agree that "50% of adults" as the only metric isn't good enough.

While I think the metrics they picked were a little low, that's my opinion. I don't think they're so low to be useless. There's a large spread of values between to low, middle ground, high, and so high it's useless. I think this particular 3 part metric falls somewhere in that spread between middle and high, not in the useless category. I think there's lots of valid debate in that range, and I fault nobody for a different opinion of where in that range we should target. (People in the so high it's useless range, that's a different story. )

 

[hopemax]

US will donate AstraZeneca vaccines to other countries following the FDA approval expected in a couple of weeks. 60 million doses are expected to be produced by the end of June which will now go elsewhere.

US to share AstraZeneca shots with world after safety check

The White House says the U.S. will begin sharing its entire stock of AstraZeneca COVID-19 vaccines with the world once it clears federal safety reviews.

apnews.com

 

[dreday3]

this is from today, from an article on CNN - about 229 million doses have been administered in the US, according to the CDC - so yes, we take into account that some of those are second doses (some, not all). So even if we divide 229 in half, that's about 114 million people in the US that have at least one dose (one is better than none at this point).

I mean, that's something, right? And if approximately 328 million people are in US - 50% is....164 million?

So using my brand of math - hey we are almost at 50% of Americans having at least one dose! Probably more.

 

[danlb_2000]

this is from today, from an article on CNN - about 229 million doses have been administered in the US, according to the CDC - so yes, we take into account that some of those are second doses (some, not all). So even if we divide 229 in half, that's about 114 million people in the US that have at least one dose (one is better than none at this point).

I mean, that's something, right? And if approximately 328 million people are in US - 50% is....164 million?

So using my brand of math - hey we are almost at 50% of Americans having at least one dose! Probably more.

From the CDC:

 

[dreday3]

From the CDC:

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thanks! See I read that and see good news. And the fact it can only go up!

 

[GoofGoof]

Yes. But, go back to what this specific metric is "50% of adults in the county have been vaccinated" Not even 50% of people, just adults. That doesn't sound like enough to get enough of an impact. To your point, pick a metric. But, if you're only going to pick a vaccinated only metric, it better be high enough to really matter. In this case, they didn't, they also picked other stuff. Which lets them have a lower vaccinated metric, assuming people read the whole thing and don't stop at the first thing. I think you would agree that "50% of adults" as the only metric isn't good enough.

While I think the metrics they picked were a little low, that's my opinion. I don't think they're so low to be useless. There's a large spread of values between to low, middle ground, high, and so high it's useless. I think this particular 3 part metric falls somewhere in that spread between middle and high, not in the useless category. I think there's lots of valid debate in that range, and I fault nobody for a different opinion of where in that range we should target. (People in the so high it's useless range, that's a different story. )

50% of adults was only phase 1 not full removal of restrictions. Phase 3 was 65% which as I said is still too low for the country but may be a realistic target in a specific county.

 

[GoofGoof]

thanks! See I read that and see good news. And the fact it can only go up!

Yep. For reference they reported 2.1M additional vaccines administered (lower on Sundays) and about a million were new first doses. We seem to be right around 50/50 these days 1st dose vs 2nd.

 

[DisneyCane]

50% of adults was only phase 1 not full removal of restrictions. Phase 3 was 65% which as I said is still too low for the country but may be a realistic target in a specific county.

What's interesting is that Broward County is deep blue which, based on polling, should mean higher than average acceptance. The mayor has been using 65% as his assumed number for a while now.

 

[DCBaker]

Here's the link to the study Scott mentioned from IAAPA and UCF -

https://iaapa-hosted-files.s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/Public_Affairs/FinalReportUCFmaskstudy4.7.21.pdf