Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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ImperfectPixie

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That's not really what the graphic is saying. It is saying that if you are vaccinated and plan to gather with somebody who is unvaccinated AND at high risk of severe disease then you should take prevention measures. Of course, at this point, if somebody is at high risk of severe disease and they haven't gotten vaccinated yet, they are an idiot (unless they can't be vaccinated for some medical reason).

The bottom image is not indicating that it is necessary for the vaccinated household to take measures since there are now two unvaccinated households. It is indicating measures are necessary because there are now two unvaccinated households interacting with each other. I assume they don't think that the unvaccinated people will take measures if the vaccinated people aren't so they recommend all do.
Yep...even among adults, peer pressure is real. At the beginning of this, hubby started taking his mask off if no one else was wearing one until I lost my mind about it. (He's high risk, but doesn't like to rock the boat. I told him to rock the damned thing.)
 

CatesMom

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That's not really what the graphic is saying. It is saying that if you are vaccinated and plan to gather with somebody who is unvaccinated AND at high risk of severe disease then you should take prevention measures. Of course, at this point, if somebody is at high risk of severe disease and they haven't gotten vaccinated yet, they are an idiot (unless they can't be vaccinated for some medical reason).

The bottom image is not indicating that it is necessary for the vaccinated household to take measures since there are now two unvaccinated households. It is indicating measures are necessary because there are now two unvaccinated households interacting with each other. I assume they don't think that the unvaccinated people will take measures if the vaccinated people aren't so they recommend all do.
No doubt the potential for open interaction between two unvaccinated households is a driving force, but the CDC guidance specifically addresses what you can do once you are fully vaccinated. So at least for now, the bottom image means even vaccinated folks should mask up if multiple participating households have unvaccinated members (including kids, I suppose).
 

MisterPenguin

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Looking at the states that had been the most recent hot spots it seems that:

40% first-dosed (50% of 16+) is the inflection point for when cases stop growing.

50% first-dosed (62% of 16+) is when the number of cases start falling dramatically (with hospitalizations following a week or two later).
 

DisneyCane

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I was just reading through an update from the Mayor of Broward county and amendments to the County Emergency Order. I have to admit that they are taking a reasonable approach to lifting restrictions as vaccinations increase.

Phase 1 will be triggered once 50% of adults in the county have been vaccinated (already happened) and either the five day rolling average of new case positivity is under 5% for seven days straight or the number of new cases is below 15 per 100k on a five day rolling average for seven days straight. When triggered, social distancing restrictions will be lifted at at restaurants, hotels, outdoor establishments and nonprofessional sporting functions.

Phase 2 will be triggered once 60% of adults in the county have been vaccinated and the five day rolling average of new case positivity is under 4% for seven days straight. This is the mayor's proposal and I assume (as with Phase 1) that the county commission will add an alternative trigger based on new cases. Phase 2 would lift social distancing restrictions at gyms, indoor amusement facilities, movies, theaters and community centers.

Phase 3 ends the mask mandate after 65% of adults are vaccinated and the five day rolling average positivity is under 3%.

I think a similar approach could be taken by Disney using a combination of local and national vaccination statistics as well as both local and national case metrics.
 

GoofGoof

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I was just reading through an update from the Mayor of Broward county and amendments to the County Emergency Order. I have to admit that they are taking a reasonable approach to lifting restrictions as vaccinations increase.

Phase 1 will be triggered once 50% of adults in the county have been vaccinated (already happened) and either the five day rolling average of new case positivity is under 5% for seven days straight or the number of new cases is below 15 per 100k on a five day rolling average for seven days straight. When triggered, social distancing restrictions will be lifted at at restaurants, hotels, outdoor establishments and nonprofessional sporting functions.

Phase 2 will be triggered once 60% of adults in the county have been vaccinated and the five day rolling average of new case positivity is under 4% for seven days straight. This is the mayor's proposal and I assume (as with Phase 1) that the county commission will add an alternative trigger based on new cases. Phase 2 would lift social distancing restrictions at gyms, indoor amusement facilities, movies, theaters and community centers.

Phase 3 ends the mask mandate after 65% of adults are vaccinated and the five day rolling average positivity is under 3%.

I think a similar approach could be taken by Disney using a combination of local and national vaccination statistics as well as both local and national case metrics.
Not a bad plan. I do think it would be helpful to set these types of targets to get people motivated to get vaccinated. There is a fear that if you say masks and other restrictions gone once 65% of adults are done that some people will decide they will just hold out and wait and be in the other 35%. I think at this point the benefit of giving people a target to shoot for outweighs the downside of setting a target.

I’m all for it at a national level too, but I’d shoot for higher than 65% for the national number since there are states that will be in the 80%+ range. Maybe 70 or 75% but it can be somewhat flexible too. Like maybe a floor for vaccinations and cases per 100K that would both have to be met (65% of adults vaccinated and under 5 cases per 100K) but then have individual high end targets like 80% of adults vaccinated and cases under 3 per 100K that trigger the removal of restrictions even if the other floor hasn’t been met yet.
 

DisneyFan32

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Not a bad plan. I do think it would be helpful to set these types of targets to get people motivated to get vaccinated. There is a fear that if you say masks and other restrictions gone once 65% of adults are done that some people will decide they will just hold out and wait and be in the other 35%. I think at this point the benefit of giving people a target to shoot for outweighs the downside of setting a target.

I’m all for it at a national level too, but I’d shoot for higher than 65% for the national number since there are states that will be in the 80%+ range. Maybe 70 or 75% but it can be somewhat flexible too. Like maybe a floor for vaccinations and cases per 100K that would both have to be met (65% of adults vaccinated and under 5 cases per 100K) but then have individual high end targets like 80% of adults vaccinated and cases under 3 per 100K that trigger the removal of restrictions even if the other floor hasn’t been met yet.
I think NJ may do same as lifting restrictions maybe by next month or June/July if they want to @GoofGoof
 

havoc315

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Not a bad plan. I do think it would be helpful to set these types of targets to get people motivated to get vaccinated. There is a fear that if you say masks and other restrictions gone once 65% of adults are done that some people will decide they will just hold out and wait and be in the other 35%. I think at this point the benefit of giving people a target to shoot for outweighs the downside of setting a target.

I’m all for it at a national level too, but I’d shoot for higher than 65% for the national number since there are states that will be in the 80%+ range.

That's why it really has to be a locally and regionally based.
One region may have 80%+ vaccinated, have extremely low Covid case counts, while another region may have only 50-60% vaccinated, may still have fairly widespread disease....

Would make the most sense to have different restrictions in the different regions.

Of course, the irony is that the lower vaccinated area likely will end up having fewer restrictions than the higher vaccinated area because geographically, the areas with low vaccination are also the areas that took Covid less seriously all along.

I note the plan uses metrics like 4-5% positivity rates. Where states like New York are really looking for positivity rates under 1-2%.

(7-day rolling average positivity rate in New York, statewide is now 2.2%, in Florida it's still over 6%... a good example of the regional differences)

Maybe 70 or 75% but it can be somewhat flexible too. Like maybe a floor for vaccinations and cases per 100K that would both have to be met (65% of adults vaccinated and under 5 cases per 100K) but then have individual high end targets like 80% of adults vaccinated and cases under 3 per 100K that trigger the removal of restrictions even if the other floor hasn’t been met yet.
 

GoofGoof

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That's why it really has to be a locally and regionally based.
One region may have 80%+ vaccinated, have extremely low Covid case counts, while another region may have only 50-60% vaccinated, may still have fairly widespread disease....

Would make the most sense to have different restrictions in the different regions.

Of course, the irony is that the lower vaccinated area likely will end up having fewer restrictions than the higher vaccinated area because geographically, the areas with low vaccination are also the areas that took Covid less seriously all along.

I note the plan uses metrics like 4-5% positivity rates. Where states like New York are really looking for positivity rates under 1-2%.

(7-day rolling average positivity rate in New York, statewide is now 2.2%, in Florida it's still over 6%... a good example of the regional differences)
Restrictions have always and will always be set by the state and local governments. I see no issue with also having a federal target. The CDC is setting overall guidelines that many businesses which exist in multiple locations are following because of how inconsistent the local rules are. So for a chain like Walmart or CVS to know when to relax their mask and distancing rules they will look to the CDC. A federal target for both vaccinations and cases and/or positivity rate would be a trigger for changes in CDC guidelines. Individual local mandates should still be set based on the situation on the ground. So for example if an area is under performing in vaccinations and has higher community spread then the local mandate should be retail stores still need to keep masks. This way if the CDC changes their recommendations then Walmart can change their corporate policy to say masks can be optional in any store location as long as that is not in violation of the local mandates.
 

mickeymiss

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Places like Disney have to consider that a large percentage of their visitors are children. They can't be vaccinated and they are treated like legitimate carriers of the disease based on how schools are operating. I don't see why there would be a need to remove precautions too quickly for that reason. I remember universal was not requiring masks on water rides. I assume they changed that, right? I think I'd feel okay removing plexiglass. I agree with a few others that taking the mask on and off will be confusing. As much as I wish masks never needed to be a thing, we made them a big thing for a very long time and I think a lot of people have been made to feel like they need it to be safe. I'd worry about my child catching it because there's still a circulation in schools. Middle schools in my area are getting slammed and elementary schools are catching up. It may not affect them as critically but they can still spread it. Children and seniors are hands down the most vulnerable to most viruses so I don't wish to adopt a dismissive attitude about it just because kids don't get as sick. They can still spread it. All of that being said, I think we need to find a way to move towards removing some restrictions. I get it. I just want to protect my kid who has been taken down by seemingly mild viruses before.
 

ImperfectPixie

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Places like Disney have to consider that a large percentage of their visitors are children. They can't be vaccinated and they are treated like legitimate carriers of the disease based on how schools are operating. I don't see why there would be a need to remove precautions too quickly for that reason. I remember universal was not requiring masks on water rides. I assume they changed that, right? I think I'd feel okay removing plexiglass. I agree with a few others that taking the mask on and off will be confusing. As much as I wish masks never needed to be a thing, we made them a big thing for a very long time and I think a lot of people have been made to feel like they need it to be safe. I'd worry about my child catching it because there's still a circulation in schools. Middle schools in my area are getting slammed and elementary schools are catching up. It may not affect them as critically but they can still spread it. Children and seniors are hands down the most vulnerable to most viruses so I don't wish to adopt a dismissive attitude about it just because kids don't get as sick. They can still spread it. All of that being said, I think we need to find a way to move towards removing some restrictions. I get it. I just want to protect my kid who has been taken down by seemingly mild viruses before.
I hear you. My older son had major bronchial problems when he was in day care as a toddler and I dread the thought of them popping up again. (It was so bad I had to leave my job or wait to be fired.)
 

Chomama

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Places like Disney have to consider that a large percentage of their visitors are children. They can't be vaccinated and they are treated like legitimate carriers of the disease based on how schools are operating. I don't see why there would be a need to remove precautions too quickly for that reason. I remember universal was not requiring masks on water rides. I assume they changed that, right? I think I'd feel okay removing plexiglass. I agree with a few others that taking the mask on and off will be confusing. As much as I wish masks never needed to be a thing, we made them a big thing for a very long time and I think a lot of people have been made to feel like they need it to be safe. I'd worry about my child catching it because there's still a circulation in schools. Middle schools in my area are getting slammed and elementary schools are catching up. It may not affect them as critically but they can still spread it. Children and seniors are hands down the most vulnerable to most viruses so I don't wish to adopt a dismissive attitude about it just because kids don't get as sick. They can still spread it. All of that being said, I think we need to find a way to move towards removing some restrictions. I get it. I just want to protect my kid who has been taken down by seemingly mild viruses before.
Something interesting to watch out of Israel and the UK. Kids still cannot be vaccinated but infections among children dropped as adults reached 50-60% vaccinated. So they think getting more adults vaccinated may be enough to protect kids too. I read an article yesterday about not vaccinating under 12 unless we need to and they don’t think we will need too. Of course any child with a high risk for complications could get the shot once approved but it may really not be necessary to vaccinate kids once enough adults get the shot. This held up in both Israel and uk
 

mickeymiss

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Something interesting to watch out of Israel and the UK. Kids still cannot be vaccinated but infections among children dropped as adults reached 50-60% vaccinated. So they think getting more adults vaccinated may be enough to protect kids too. I read an article yesterday about not vaccinating under 12 unless we need to and they don’t think we will need too. Of course any child with a high risk for complications could get the shot once approved but it may really not be necessary to vaccinate kids once enough adults get the shot. This held up in both Israel and uk
That's good news. Schools are definitely having issues where I live so it might be a while before kids can benefit from that herd immunity. One school in the next town over is having a big problem even at elementary schools. One case after another and it's causing staffing issues from the quarantines. My compromise would be keeping most of the same measures in place at Disney until school is done. It seems like many schools even in less restricted states don't plan to change mask policy for 2021-2022 so I guess I feel like kids still need some protections in places where risk can take hold. Disney still has a crowded element to it that qualifies it for maybe a more gradual pull back. I felt very safe last summer when we went and I didn't see anyone in distress or not following the rules. I guess I'd like to hang on a little longer to that safety for my child until he can get the shot. I'm not going to lie - I don't want him to get sick at all with anything. It sucked so much when my husband got sick there a couple years ago. We missed out on our last day and all of us caught it when we returned home. I feel nervous about catching anything early on in the trip and then the vacation being ruined. I see masks in crowded places as a small price to pay. I have different opinions locally as some places are more risky than others.
 
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GaBoy

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My point is that I wouldn't want to be sitting on a roller coaster behind someone who has COVID who sneezes and isn't wearing a mask. Granted, it would mostly blow into their own face, but it's still not a risk I'd want to take.
I would not want to be sneezed on regardless but could really care less now that I am vaccinated.
 
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