Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[disneygeek90]

Opened again at 10:30 this morning, still lots of times available for next Friday and Saturday, with a few remaining for Thursday.

 

[corsairk09]

My guess is yes.

They may want it, the question is are they willing to battle the state to get it.

I just don't think Disney will go down the vaccine passport road. Now I did at one point but now I don't think they will.

Vaccines are working, hopefully more and more will get the shot.

Orange county now talking about lifting masks by June. Things are lining up where I don't think it will be necessary for them. Remember Disney RIGHT NOW can open at 100%. Nothing is stopping them. They are the ones choosing not to.

Again just my opinion.

I see it as the other demographic having more of an impact. WDW is a huge international tourist destination. A good amount of Europeans already see Americans as selfish and dumb, and the prospect of requiring the vaccine may be financially beneficial. Same goes for Asian countries. We dont know what other countries will require of their citizens when it comes to travel.
WDW also has a huge following of LGBTQ+, performers, people more open to travel, more liberal groups of people, etc. These are demographics that would tend to gravitate towards the attractiveness of mandatory vaccines.

Disney has a lot of liberal thinking CMs, if it came down to a union fight, I think they'd win.

I would think that Disney is starting to relax masks because their all of their CMs can now be vaccinated. Once the CMs who want the vaccines are fully vaccinated I see mitigations going away without mention of a vaccine passport. But I could be TOTALLY wrong.

 

[corsairk09]

It was enough to scare him into reopening.

A year later?

 

[Horizons '83]

No surprise that the NY Post went for the irresponsible-yet-attention-grabbing headline here despite bits like this in the article that completely undermine the headline:



Or this:

Classic NYPost... gotta get your clicks somehow, right?

 

[Nubs70]

246 ‘fully vaccinated’ Michigan residents get COVID-19, three die: report

As many as 246 Michigan residents who were “fully vaccinated” against COVID-19 later tested positive for the deadly bug — including three who have died, according to a new report. The group &…

nypost.com

You all can draw your own conclusions. There are lots of holes in this story, but the results are not that surprising. This was bound to happen.

This batch of vaccines alone aren’t the end of it. Boosters, antivirals, common sense, patience... we’ll get there.

Out of 3,00,000 fully vaccinated individuals, 246 contracted Covid with 3 deaths. Do the math, they were truly 1 in 1,000,000

 

[sullyinMT]

With Psaki already saying today that the feds won't push a passport nor are they facilitating a database to maintain vaccine stats, you can put the concept to bed for the most part. The private sector won't build their own database for a multitude of reasons, #1 being cost. Never mind logistics. Without that, there's no reason to think Disney will push for such a thing.

Exactly. I don’t think there’s much corporate appetite for the passports, in general. International travel being the one niche caveat to that. The most telling being the NBA and MLB. Especially the latter since it would have been easy to start the season with a uniform policy similar to the NY area teams. Maybe with local adaptations to capacity limits. Professional sports franchises (and D1 NCAA football this fall) have more to gain than even a seasonal amusement park like Cedar Fair and Six Flags parks by jamming ‘em in for large single events, with much easier logistics.

Plus, assuming we continue our current course, even CA as a state released plans to fully open by this summer - without a passport requirement. That, of course, could change at the drop of a hat if the virus reasserts itself there.

 

[GoofGoof]

246 ‘fully vaccinated’ Michigan residents get COVID-19, three die: report

As many as 246 Michigan residents who were “fully vaccinated” against COVID-19 later tested positive for the deadly bug — including three who have died, according to a new report. The group &…

nypost.com

You all can draw your own conclusions. There are lots of holes in this story, but the results are not that surprising. This was bound to happen.

This batch of vaccines alone aren’t the end of it. Boosters, antivirals, common sense, patience... we’ll get there.

In Michigan 246 positives out of 2.0M people fully vaccinated. 0.01% of the people vaccinated tested positive. Of the 8M people in Michigan who were not fully vaccinated 209,594 tested positive since 1/1 or 2.61% of the unvaccinated group. Since the “virtual placebo group“ of unvaccinated people is 4X as large it would be the equipment of 52,400 infections in the placebo group adjusted for size. So 246 vs 52,400. That’s a very high 90s efficacy for the vaccine. I know the math isn’t exact because not all 2M people were vaccinated for the full 3 months but you get the idea.

On deaths 3 people out of the 2M who were vaccinated died. If we extrapolate that death rate out to the full US population and pretend everyone was fully vaccinated it would be around 500 deaths over the 3 months. Back in the real world where the whole population wasn’t fully vaccinated 201,421 Americans died in the same 3 months. This really shows how effective the vaccines have been in real world practice. As each state releases data we keep getting more support for how remarkable and how effective these vaccines are.

 

[SamusAranX]

Saw another interesting “theory”; that mRNA vaccines can destroy proteins/RNA barriers or something like that which protect you from cancer.

Can any of our scientifically / medically trained posters provide some insight as to why anyone would think this?

 

[GoofGoof]

Uh woah. Woah woah woah. I don't know how to feel about this. Ya California is in a great position with covid AT THE MOMENT. But this might backfire

It’s what we are all working toward. IMHo it’s perfectly reasonable to set a goal and say if the vaccine rollout continues we believe we can reopen most things by mid-June. I don’t think too many people will decide not to get the vaccine now because of this. If that does happen then they shut it back down until more people come in.

 

[havoc315]

In Michigan 246 positives out of 2.0M people fully vaccinated. 0.01% of the people vaccinated tested positive. Of the 8M people in Michigan who were not fully vaccinated 209,594 tested positive since 1/1 or 2.61% of the unvaccinated group. Since the “virtual placebo group“ of unvaccinated people is 4X as large it would be the equipment of 52,400 infections in the placebo group adjusted for size. So 246 vs 52,400. That’s a very high 90s efficacy for the vaccine. I know the math isn’t exact because not all 2M people were vaccinated for the full 3 months but you get the idea.

On deaths 3 people out of the 2M who were vaccinated died. If we extrapolate that death rate out to the full US population and pretend everyone was fully vaccinated it would be around 500 deaths over the 3 months. Back in the real world where the whole population wasn’t fully vaccinated 201,421 Americans died in the same 3 months. This really shows how effective the vaccines have been in real world practice. As each state releases data we keep getting more support for how remarkable and how effective these vaccines are.

Agreed... this does in fact confirm that the vaccine is indeed extremely highly effective. This is also why I've rejected the "100% effective against death" -- that unrealistic expectation is what fuels headlines like this.
I'll gladly take 99%+ effective against death.

 

[disneygeek90]

Agreed... this does in fact confirm that the vaccine is indeed extremely highly effective. This is also why I've rejected the "100% effective against death" -- that unrealistic expectation is what fuels headlines like this.
I'll gladly take 99%+ effective against death.

99.99985% survivability sounds good to me.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Saw another interesting “theory”; that mRNA vaccines can destroy proteins/RNA barriers or something like that which protect you from cancer.

Can any of our scientifically / medically trained posters provide some insight as to why anyone would think this?

No, Sloan Kettering Didn't Say mRNA Vaccines 'Promote Cancer'

Reporters at Natural News would apparently be shocked to learn that mRNA molecules are already present in every cell of their bodies.

www.snopes.com

 

[JoeCamel]

Agreed... this does in fact confirm that the vaccine is indeed extremely highly effective. This is also why I've rejected the "100% effective against death" -- that unrealistic expectation is what fuels headlines like this.
I'll gladly take 99%+ effective against death.

Bump that up a few more places 99.9999%

 

[mmascari]

"COVID is not a big deal for young people" is not precisely correct with scientific accuracy, but it's not supposed to be. It's just a lot easer than saying "young people are most likely to experience mild to moderate symptoms of COVID, with a confirmed case hospitalization rate of 1 in 1,000" or whatever the precise statistic is.

Eventually, you get so close to zero statistically that it's easier to just say "no risk" when what you really mean is "sufficiently low risk that I'm not worried about it."

I'm sure there's a 30 year old in a hospital somewhere because a coconut fell on his head and he got a concussion. But if you asked me "are you at risk of coconut-caused head injury?" I'm going to say "no" even though TECHNICALLY there's a chance.

Dude when the odds are 99.9 to 0.1, the person who lives their life thinking "that won't happen to me" is more correct than the person who lives their life thinking "that's going to happen to me."

People do not conceptualize larger numbers very well. That this is even an example illustrates it well. The chance that someone 30-39 Years old catches COVID is many orders of magnitudes larger than the chance of someone of any age in the US even having a coconut fall on them.

Perhaps not in Hawaii, but then, they've got signs warning people to look out for falling coconuts and its an actual risk there. And even then, the risk of COVID is still orders of magnitude larger than death by coconut.

Of all the deaths of 30-39 Year old people in 2020, 5% of them involved COVID. So, sure, they may mostly be invincible and don't have to worry about dying at all. But for those who lost that lottery in 2020, 5% of those lost it with COVID. It's "only" 2.6% for 18-29 Year old, plus they know they're invincible.

With sample sizes this large, it's reckless to think of small percentages as if they were nothing. Especially when the impact is so severe.

References:

COVID-19 Provisional Counts - Weekly Updates by Select Demographic and Geographic Characteristics

Tabulated data on provisional COVID-19 deaths by age, sex, race and Hispanic origin, and comorbidities. Also includes an index of state-level and county-level mortality data available for download.

www.cdc.gov

COVID Data Tracker

CDC’s home for COVID-19 data. Visualizations, graphs, and data in one easy-to-use website.

covid.cdc.gov

 

[JoeCamel]

Perhaps not in Hawaii, but then, they've got signs warning people to look out for falling coconuts and its an actual risk there. And even then, the risk of COVID is still orders of magnitude larger than death by coconut.

Its all the haoles sitting under the trees, the natives know not to do that

 

[Turtlekrawl]

Out of 3,00,000 fully vaccinated individuals, 246 contracted Covid with 3 deaths. Do the math, they were truly 1 in 1,000,000

While I disagree with your tally of fully vaccinated individuals (@GoofGoof got it right), your point is that it is a minuscule number. Agree. Hopefully it stays that way.

I’m looking at this as an evolving situation, not one that is worrisome at the moment.

 

[Nubs70]

In Michigan 246 positives out of 2.0M people fully vaccinated. 0.01% of the people vaccinated tested positive. Of the 8M people in Michigan who were not fully vaccinated 209,594 tested positive since 1/1 or 2.61% of the unvaccinated group. Since the “virtual placebo group“ of unvaccinated people is 4X as large it would be the equipment of 52,400 infections in the placebo group adjusted for size. So 246 vs 52,400. That’s a very high 90s efficacy for the vaccine. I know the math isn’t exact because not all 2M people were vaccinated for the full 3 months but you get the idea.

On deaths 3 people out of the 2M who were vaccinated died. If we extrapolate that death rate out to the full US population and pretend everyone was fully vaccinated it would be around 500 deaths over the 3 months. Back in the real world where the whole population wasn’t fully vaccinated 201,421 Americans died in the same 3 months. This really shows how effective the vaccines have been in real world practice. As each state releases data we keep getting more support for how remarkable and how effective these vaccines are.

Same story different source.

Of nearly 3M Michiganders vaccinated, 246 contracted COVID-19 & 3 died - https://www.fox17online.com/news/co...ers-vaccinated-246-contracted-covid-19-3-died

 

[Touchdown]

Saw another interesting “theory”; that mRNA vaccines can destroy proteins/RNA barriers or something like that which protect you from cancer.

Can any of our scientifically / medically trained posters provide some insight as to why anyone would think this?

No, the mRNA is a blueprint for a protein it’s only effect on your body is to cause it to make that protein.

 

[danlb_2000]

No, Sloan Kettering Didn't Say mRNA Vaccines 'Promote Cancer'

Reporters at Natural News would apparently be shocked to learn that mRNA molecules are already present in every cell of their bodies.

www.snopes.com

So the story originated from Natural News which among others things pushes germ theory denial.

 

[GoofGoof]

Same story different source.

Of nearly 3M Michiganders vaccinated, 246 contracted COVID-19 & 3 died - https://www.fox17online.com/news/co...ers-vaccinated-246-contracted-covid-19-3-died

I got the number vaccinated wrong so it’s even better