Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Mark52479]

At this point I am not too concerned about the executive order from DeSantis

The state legislature is the biggest problem I see. They decide to pass a law Banning vaccine passports for businesses there is just nothing Disney can do

if a bill like that passes it will become extremely hard to overturn

there is no way Disney' would spend the time and money to fight that like @GoofGoof said


I am pro vaccine as u can see from my posts. But I just don't think they will ever go down that path.

 

[GimpYancIent]

It wouldn't be difficult to do an additional wristband. Cedar Point did them for everyone that passed temp checks staying at their hotels last year. Uni is doing the same daily at their hotels as well. That would also lessen the temp check lines at park entry.

I hope that temperature checks at Disney properties never go away! COVID19 has no exclusive on causing fevers there is a plethora of communicable illnesses in existence and a simple temp check could prevent infected people from entering the facilities spreading the illness to unsuspecting guests. Further it would motivate the ill people to seek professional medical help to determine the cause. Temp Checks are beneficial beyond COVID.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

At this point I am not too concerned about the executive order from DeSantis

The state legislature is the biggest problem I see. They decide to pass a law Banning vaccine passports for businesses there is just nothing Disney can do

if a bill like that passes it will become extremely hard to overturn

there is no way Disney' would spend the time and money to fight that like @GoofGoof said


I am pro vaccine as u can see from my posts. But I just don't think they will ever go down that path.

this could be an issue for other companies and I could see this ending up in the Supreme Court.

 

[Patcheslee]

Especially if a PhotoPass photographer is with the guest(s). Easy to remind the family to put the mask back on after the “shoot.”

Distancing while CMs are doing photos is a realistic expectation. Many times the locations already separate families for the photo anyway. I could also see it being an incentive for photopass again. Kinda wonder what their sales were like once the mask rule went into effect.

 

[Patcheslee]

I hope that temperature checks at Disney properties never go away! COVID19 has no exclusive on causing fevers there is a plethora of communicable illnesses in existence and a simple temp check could prevent infected people from entering the facilities spreading the illness to unsuspecting guests. Further it would motivate the ill people to seek professional medical help to determine the cause. Temp Checks are beneficial beyond COVID.

We already roll the dice with temp checks. My average temperature is 96.8, a temperature for me is lower than others. So I could be running a fever and still pass. On the other side my husband runs 99.3 average.

 

[DisneyCane]

Temp Checks are beneficial beyond COVID.

They may be beneficial for other things but they are essentially useless in screening for COVID.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

So in other news...big news for disneyland

 

[danlb_2000]

We already roll the dice with temp checks. My average temperature is 96.8, a temperature for me is lower than others. So I could be running a fever and still pass. On the other side my husband runs 99.3 average.

I wonder how many people have actually been turned away due to temperature checks.

 

[zurj]

Hold on a second, let me explain. If all the people they let in are vaccinated, they don’t have to go through the process of enforcing masks, social distancing, and all the other guidelines. This makes Vaccine Passports a dream scenario for all Hospitality organizations. And since all the people they let in are vaccinated, they can let in MORE vaccinated people, and more people=more profit!

The problem here is, if all the people they let in are vaccinated, then they don't let in anyone who is not vaccinated. Vaccine passports are great, except you have now cut off the business opportunity of selling tickets/hotels/over priced mouse shaped ice cream bars to people who are not vaccinated, of which there will be many who also have the disposable income to purchase over priced mouse shaped ice cream bars for their 4 children. There are a whole host of people who will not be getting vaccines, and do you think it will help Disney to tell those people they don't want their money? If Disney were to reach capacity with only vaccinated guests, then passports would be a dream scenario for them. However, they were only reaching capacity a few days a year at a few parks pre-covid when everyone could come, vaccinated or otherwise. So, it stands to reason that they will not fill to capacity if they opened and denied access to a sizable portion of their clientele.

Now, Disney may decide it has made enough money over the years, and will be content to run a business that chooses not to accept dirty, unvaccinated money, but I would imagine the shareholder would not take kindly to this. Also, Disney being the entity that it is, I have a hard time envisioning them (or any for-profit business) turning away my money simply because I'm not going to get a vaccine.

 

[GimpYancIent]

I wonder how many people have actually been turned away due to temperature checks.

Hey! Excellent question. Any insiders have that data?

 

[oceanbreeze77]

The problem here is, if all the people they let in are vaccinated, then they don't let in anyone who is not vaccinated. Vaccine passports are great, except you have now cut off the business opportunity of selling tickets/hotels/over priced mouse shaped ice cream bars to people who are not vaccinated, of which there will be many who also have the disposable income to purchase over priced mouse shaped ice cream bars for their 4 children. There are a whole host of people who will not be getting vaccines, and do you think it will help Disney to tell those people they don't want their money? If Disney were to reach capacity with only vaccinated guests, then passports would be a dream scenario for them. However, they were only reaching capacity a few days a year at a few parks pre-covid when everyone could come, vaccinated or otherwise. So, it stands to reason that they will not fill to capacity if they opened and denied access to a sizable portion of their clientele.

Now, Disney may decide it has made enough money over the years, and will be content to run a business that chooses not to accept dirty, unvaccinated money, but I would imagine the shareholder would not take kindly to this. Also, Disney being the entity that it is, I have a hard time envisioning them (or any for-profit business) turning away my money simply because I'm not going to get a vaccine.

I dont think people realize that in the large picture of it all, compared to those who do get the vaccine, there are very few people who will not get the vaccine.

People who travel are even more likely to get the vaccine. And what happens if airlines require it? What does that do to Disneys business??

 

[Mark52479]

this could be an issue for other companies and I could see this ending up in the Supreme Court.

Absolutely 100%

 

[DisneyCane]

this could be an issue for other companies and I could see this ending up in the Supreme Court.

A vaccine passport requirement could end up in the Supreme Court. Banning vaccine passports is not likely to.

I don't see how a legal argument can be made that it is unconstitutional for a law to prevent a business from requiring disclosure of personal health information to be served by a business.

There is literally no precedent for a business ever requiring disclosure of vaccine status or any other health information before. Public schools are not businesses and children are treated differently because they are minors (I'm not going to argue if this is right or not, it's just a fact).

 

[danlb_2000]

They may be beneficial for other things but they are essentially useless in screening for COVID.

Why do you say that? Everything I have read has said that fever is one of the most common symptoms.

 

[Mark52479]

Hey! Excellent question. Any insiders have that data?

In the last year i must have been to Disney 10 times and I have neve once seen anyone turned away. I have never even seen anyone in those tents

 

[Chip Chipperson]

You can't just use flippant, generalized language like "people are under the false assumption that they're not at risk."

Yes, you are correct that the risk for healthy people under 65 is not LITERALLY ZERO.

But people are not saying "the risk for me is LITERALLY ZERO," they're saying "the risk for me is sufficiently small that I'm comfortable with taking it and dealing with the consequences."

It's not being flippant to say that people think that way. I know people who literally say they aren't at risk. An in-law in his 30s used the phrase, "When we thought COVID was a big deal" - and that was in June. The increase in hospitalizations in those age groups suggests that those people are incorrect to assume they aren't at risk. You can be certain that most of them didn't think they'd end up in the hospital. It's also foolish for them to assume that it's fine because seniors are mostly vaccinated in parts of NJ seeing increases because the County with the largest amount of seniors per capita (Ocean) has been receiving a disproportionately low amount of vaccine doses (both in terms of seniors per capita and overall population) - even having its allotment reduced multiple times despite the high demand and high need- and the County Health Department has been flooded with requests from seniors to make more doses available to them.

The rising hospitalizations here are also an inconvenient truth for those who argue against any restrictions "just to save grandma" or who want to selectively focus on a rotation of metrics to "prove" that things aren't as bad as we've been told. How many times in this thread last summer were we told by some posters that the spike in FL wasn't serious because "it's just young people catching it and hospitalizations and deaths haven't gone up" (until they did)? Well NJ is seeing an increase in cases largely among younger people who wouldn't be high risk based on age, yet we're still seeing hospitalizations increase - particularly in the so-called "low risk" age groups.

 

[danlb_2000]

A vaccine passport requirement could end up in the Supreme Court. Banning vaccine passports is not likely to.

I don't see how a legal argument can be made that it is unconstitutional for a law to prevent a business from requiring disclosure of personal health information to be served by a business.

There is literally no precedent for a business ever requiring disclosure of vaccine status or any other health information before. Public schools are not businesses and children are treated differently because they are minors (I'm not going to argue if this is right or not, it's just a fact).

With some places already starting to do vaccine passports, I think it's only a matter of time before that ends up in court. Someone's bound to push it into court just on principal alone.

 

[DisneyCane]

Why do you say that? Everything I have read has said that fever is one of the most common symptoms.

Because of a lot of the spread being in the pre-symptomatic period. If you talk to people at places (like hospitals) that do temperature screening, you will find that it is very rare to have somebody fail the temperature check with no other symptoms and then test positive for COVID.

With some places already starting to do vaccine passports, I think it's only a matter of time before that ends up in court. Someone's bound to push it into court just on principal alone.

I agree but it will be people challenging the legality of requiring vaccine passports, not a business challenging the legality of not allowing them.

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 70 new reported deaths.

 

[disneygeek90]

Just a side note, Florida officially passed over 10% of the population testing positive at some point over the last year. Kind of a mind blowing number when you think about it for a state of this size.