ABQ
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Can you tell me where you are finding that under 30 data? not disputing it, just can't seem to get that granular. All I've found is national and only updated through 3/20
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JIMINYCR
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If you are going to reply to a post then do it in a timely manner. At the time I posted the figures they were valid. Thats one problem when people address a post and dont look at the dates.
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lazyboy97o
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He is a doctor who has explained this many times. There was nothing rushed about the vaccine’s development, especially in a manner regarding safety. The widespread nature of the disease is what allowed for accelerated studies.
correcaminos
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This is well known in the medical community. We are well beyond the 3 or even 6 months post trial anyway. If you don't trust a medical professional I'm not sure who I would. I'm not the professional but just 6 months post vaccine now.
The vaccine results came so fast because the pandemic is that bad. These vaccines were in development for decades now.
I do think spouting this line of thinking is dangerous. It's not factually based. It's meant to spread fear. We don't need that. Though most baffling to me are the ones who are most fearful. They have zero reason or history as a whole to fear.
They type of proof is highly dependent on the value and risk that having that proof provides and the amount of trust between the person presenting it and the entity accepting it.
To show your doctor your vaccinations so that you're getting the best healthcare you can, there's a high trust because you want good care, the document doesn't need to provide that trust for you.
To have a friend over for dinner that tells you they're vaccinated, you don't even need the card. You'll simply trust them without showing any proof at all.
To give a random person the value of eliminating all mitigation items to create a bubble like environment, there's a trust factor needed. Whatever is used for the verification process is providing that trust. The vaccination card people have today isn't suitable for providing that trust. Doesn't have to be a smart app, but whatever it is, it's not just the thing in your hand. It's the entire system that thing represents that's providing the trust factor to allow an entity to believe that a random person they have not knowledge of should be allowed into the bubble.
Something that's just a key and looks up in a back end database, assuming the data is valid, has a high trust factor. Without the database, something that's difficult to fake can provide the trust factor.
Just look at a WDW park ticket. It's not just some ticket that grants you access. There's an entire system behind it designed to validate that it's a real ticket, issued to a specific person, and not used by anyone else. And, that's just to get into the magic bubble.
danlb_2000
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Here is a good source...
and backing up a bit in the same episode, good talk on how it was developed so fast and safety...
and even though this is the first approved MRNA vaccine, these have been in development for over 20 years and there have been human trials with mrna vaccines for other diseases in the past.
Sirwalterraleigh
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Sirwalterraleigh
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but it is only dangerous to nursing homes, right boss?
danlb_2000
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... and the fact that the companies developing the vaccines were willing to take huge financial risks (partially because they received government money) by doing parts of the development process in parallel.
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LaughingGravy
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I've been seeing a lot of stupid behavior here in NJ over the past few weeks, for both old and young people.
CaptainAmerica
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JAKECOTCenter
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Glad to hear that this thread isn’t political anymore. The real reason we were all here in the first place was because we care about Disney parks and the path back to pre-March 2020 life and whatever it takes to get there
CaptainAmerica
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The total number is materially accurate. Obviously there's some dirty data but not enough to alter the general fact pattern.
That said, politicians and the media have definitely been guilty of deliberately manipulating *specific, individual cases* into convenient anecdotes that were not entirely accurate. They're not doing it to seize power or instill communism or anything nefarious but they're still doing it. This was especially true early in the crisis when they were trying to emphasize that the virus can infect or kill young people without comorbidities.
Sirwalterraleigh
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hey!! Stop watching me!!
(kidding...I’ve seen it as well. Saw a mask complaint at a wawa an hour ago)
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Sirwalterraleigh
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correct...so until further study or findings...
“everyone SHUT UP and arms out”
CDC 3:16
How many of the 574,000 deaths were actually motorcyle accidents? And were every other country also fudging their death certificates?
Disney Experience
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There are over 3010 pages in this forum, buried in there are links to various vaccine proof systems being worked on. Clear which already has a bio identity system that verifies that the person is who they say they are and other data, has a health pass system they are in trial with. Forum members have linked some info about these systems, but to make it easier to find some here is a more recent CNBC article:
How does Health Pass work? FAQ | CLEAR
Have you been wondering How does Health Pass work? Find answers and additional support from our FAQ!
www.clearme.com
The above technology identifying the vaccinated will not be important if we get enough people vaccinated. (Picture New Zealand who only have about 2% vaccinated, and almost no covid cases; implementing it there is not worth it. If the rest of the world can get the numbers down, the need for such systems will be minimal. But the numbers worldwide are not low. )
This is a great example of only looking at short term impacts over long term advancement. It's like chasing quarterly profits even if investing in longer term projects that reduce quarterly profits would generate larger long term profits. Never realizing the larger long term gains because only the next quarter matters.
- As soon as we get community spread reduced enough, all mitigations will go away.
- Once enough people are vaccinated, community spread will dramatically decrease.
- People getting vaccinated faster will accelerate number 2 which will lead to number 1.
Let's pretend that we vaccinate people as fast as possible and everyone gets the vaccine, in this simulation, assume we reach enough people that by July 1, community spread plummets and all mitigations can be removed. Someone who finished the vaccine in April had to wait through May and June still using mitigation efforts. While someone who didn't complete vaccination until the end of June only had to wait through two weeks still using mitigation efforts. Was the person who waited really better off?
Now, let's change the scenario. Because those people in April were not able to immediately stop mitigation efforts, they didn't bother with the vaccine. The roll out slowed. Come July 1, not enough people are vaccinated and community spread is still to high to eliminate mitigations. A massive marketing push is done to get more people vaccinated but it takes until September 1 before enough are vaccinated, community spread plummets and all mitigations can be removed. Those people that couldn't be bothered to get vaccinated earlier had to go an extra two months of mitigation restrictions. Were they better off now by waiting? Do they just like extending the time while mitigations are required?
Let's change it again. Even after the marketing push, people still don't bother because they see no immediate point. Community spread never plummets, mitigations continue being required into 2022. Are they better off yet?
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