Is your assumption that someone from Japan, for example, would be hesitant to visit Florida in the future because they don't require a vaccine passport? Or that the feds won't allow foreign visitors to FL because they don't require a vaccine passport? Just not sure I'm following why some are upset with his stance on them?
Yeah, not a shock. I hate to say this, but I fear when we hit May/June FL is going to be in the bottom half of states for percent of population vaccinated. When the Governor has consistently downplayed Covid and implied its only an issue for 65+ it’s hard to get people to then want to be vaccinated. Aside from the public health issues and needless deaths I hope that doesn‘t also stall things re-opening fully, especially WDW. As I’ve said from the start of this the economy doesn’t work when a large portion of people don’t participate. If enough people don’t get vaccinated and cases stay higher it’s going to hurt the economy, especially tourism.
Yeah, that’s a problem. Without vaccines the industry dies, but if your political position is covid was no big deal it’s hard to then support requiring vaccines. Double edged sword.
Vaccine Passports are not going to stimulate anti-vaccine people to go get vaccinated. The points of departure and entry where the vaccine passports (if they are ever implemented) could be checked are way too few to be effective when the overall travel picture is looked at. Borders are actually fairly porous. That said, the responsible, reasonable citizens of the world will follow the rules and be considerate of others but it only takes a few irresponsible, insensitive and self serving people to spread the illness.
I imagine that might be more of a federal issue and the state would get no say.
Why does that make a material difference? Why is it okay for organizations to require other vaccines but not COVID-19 vaccines?
We were told why at the time masks were being discouraged. The view was that masks prevent spread not protect the wearer. What changed is the realization that people are contagious without/before presenting with symptoms.
For cruises, it would be simple to implement a required vaccine to sail. During check-in at the port, if you can't provide proof, you don't get on the ship. Easy peasy.
Because it will be used as a point of contention for all the anti vaccine folks. Those other vaccines have FDA approval, so they are not in the same class, at this point. Don't look at me, I have taken both doses of the Moderna shot, I'm just putting it out there that these will be points of contention.
I'm not making any implications of Desantis at all, no.
Vaccine passports will never work in this country for anything other than possibly international travel including cruises with international ports. That being said, we also need to be careful not to put the message out there that vaccines aren’t necessary for everyone. It’s also a slippery slope for a Governor to come out and so forcefully reject vaccine passports because it could make the vaccines even more politicized. It could lead to people resisting the vaccine because of the political narrative that one side is attempting to force them on people and the other is opposed to that. I can’t understand how these vaccines aren’t bi-partisan and embraced by everyone but that seems to be a direction we may be going down. Really not good.
I guess I'm surprised that our scientists were behind all those other countries in finding that out. Maybe the other countries were just being more cautious, or maybe the supply of masks was not an issue there. There's no question, though, that at the time were were told masks were unnecessary, they were in widespread use in other countries.
In the case of cruises it would be wise to require the presentation of a record of all vaccinations in addition to a temperature check prior to boarding. The floating Petri dishes had issues w disease spread well before COVID ever came on scene. Bon Voyage!
It's a fine line for this scenario between the carrot and the stick, rewarding those who got the vaccine and saying they will get a passport that allows for this and that vs punishing those who don't get the vaccine and telling them they can't go out and play. Not sure myself which would work better. Tough to say that Desantis has been anything but a proponent of the vaccine though, so I'm not sure I buy into anything he says about the passport issue leading to those hesitant on getting a vaccine to outright choose to not to.
Very good presentation until you mention the WHO.
Mask wearing in response to respiratory illness was already a thing in other countries. There were places like hospitals and doctors offices that required it in this country, even in the Deep South. Heck, go watch Season 2, Episode 5 of Schitt’s Creek, “Bob’s Bagels” and you’ll see one of the main characters wearing a mask.
