Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

Reports suggest that the White House is considering domestic travel bans to Florida amid steeply rising U.K. variant COVID-19 cases in the state​

Reports suggest that the White House is considering domestic travel bans to Florida amid steeply rising U.K. variant COVID-19 cases in the state

Florida is leading the country in cases of the new B.1.1.7 strain of COVID-19.

www.wdwmagic.com

Probably should have pulled the trigger on that before this past weekend.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I should add by way of context that my father is currently on a ventilator fighting for his life. I already took the virus very seriously before he was hospitalised, but I’m even more careful now.

...good luck

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Probably should have pulled the trigger on that before this past weekend.

People always come up with some reason why they have to go to Florida...it never stops. One holiday doesn’t matter much.

 

[GoofGoof]

It’s not gonna happen...

But I LOVE it when people preach the Constitution.

There’s hardly anything in it. 99.9999999% of our laws come from Acts passed on the federal/local levels and by case law determined in the courts.

Don‘t forget your buddy Ron was setting up roadblocks on I95 heading into FL last Spring. Somehow it was constitutional back then.

 

[monothingie]

According to this:

Federal officials do have powers to restrict travel between states during a pandemic, according to the Public Health Service Act that uses language from an 1890 law allowing the federal government to make and enforce regulations to prevent the spread of communicable diseases “from one State or possession into any other State or possession.”

Read more here: https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politics-government/white-house/article249154715.html#storylink=cpy

The US supreme court in 1941 established a constitutional right to interstate travel, which if litigated would supersede this. More likely if implemented there would need to be a way to restrict to a specific grouping of people. Issuing a blanket across the board restriction would likely be shutdown quickly by the courts.

 

[wdwmagic]

I think regardless of if any kind of restriction happens, it does show that there is a very high level of concern for Florida in regard to the U.K. variant taking hold. I think that is the more important part of this.

 

[ToTBellHop]

There are interstate commerce laws that this would break, so it is certainly unconstitutional and, I agree, an effort to push certain individuals to knock it off with dangerous behavior (including folks dreaming of Spring Break trips who may hold off with this announcement). Even mandatory quarantine rules have had more holes in them than Swiss cheese.

 

[Mark52479]

The US supreme court in 1941 established a constitutional right to interstate travel, which if litigated would supersede this. More likely if implemented there would need to be a way to restrict to a specific grouping of people. Issuing a blanket across the board restriction would likely be shutdown quickly by the courts.

This

Speaking to 2 lawyers I know just now they said this would get extremely messy

In the court system for a while maybe even going to SCOTUS

I am in the boat this is NOT going to happen

This is to put pressure on Florida

 

[Tom P.]

It’s not gonna happen...

But I LOVE it when people preach the Constitution.

There’s hardly anything in it. 99.9999999% of our laws come from Acts passed on the federal/local levels and by case law determined in the courts.

Perhaps you misread what I said? I said the Constitutional or legal authority. I wasn't saying that the answer had to be found in the Constitution.

However, I do think that about 95% of our laws and court decisions go against the plain text of the Constitution, FWIW.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

It very likely is unconstitutional and would be struck down very quickly since there is existing precedence which ensure that Americans have the constitutional right to unabridged interstate travel.

So they want to target the Florida Governor, well what happens when California mutant variant numbers kick up? or NY? or Texas? It's an especially foolish strategy given what appears to be declining cases overall and increased numbers of vaccinations been administered.

What there're really are, are trial balloons being leaked to the press. It happens all the time when leaders can't make decisions. Last week was the domestic CV-19 testing requirement for all airline travel. It was met with swift resistance from virtually everyone impacted. This is more of the same, to gauge reaction. Remember these people don't care about the practical result of restrictions or the science, they care about the politics. And if they say that they will follow the "science" then you absolutely know that it is political.

Yeah:..pretty slam dunk on the Interstate Commerce Act here

 

[monothingie]

This

Speaking to 2 lawyers I know just now they said this would get extremely messy

In the court system for a while maybe even going to SCOTUS

I am in the boat this is NOT going to happen

This is to put pressure on Florida

Which is very difficult to do if the cases and positivity continue to go down, despite the "exploding" nature of this new variant. Follow the science and all the rest, etc, etc.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Perhaps you misread what I said? I said the Constitutional or legal authority. I wasn't saying that the answer had to be found in the Constitution.

However, I do think that about 95% of our laws and court decisions go against the plain text of the Constitution, FWIW.

Believe what you believe...even though we are not legal scholars.

The rules we live by are in many cases much more “modern”

 

[cmwade77]

Reports suggest that the White House is considering domestic travel bans to Florida amid steeply rising U.K. variant COVID-19 cases in the state​

Reports suggest that the White House is considering domestic travel bans to Florida amid steeply rising U.K. variant COVID-19 cases in the state

Florida is leading the country in cases of the new B.1.1.7 strain of COVID-19.

www.wdwmagic.com

Translation:
Florida won't listen to the federal government telling them what to do because they feel all jobs are essential and Biden is ticked because he and the Democrats feel only some jobs are essential and want to destroy a lot of small businesses. Biden is also ticked because DeSantis told him where he could shove it.

We are scheduled to leave next Friday, really hoping that if they do try to do a travel ban it doesn't happen or take effect before then, this is getting pathetic, we have a vaccine, Florida is on top of getting its population vaccinated more than most states and yet we have this kind of craziness happening and no, I don't think there is a great danger in Florida any more than anywhere else, you just need to take common sense approaches to things, life has risks, it is time we accept that.

 

[monothingie]

Even mandatory quarantine rules have had more holes in them than Swiss cheese.

States with mandatory quarantine rules couldn't effectively implement them. Anyone think the federal government is anymore capable?

 

[GoofGoof]

Funny how another guy who used to live at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave considered domestic travel restrictions too:

Trump says he’s considering restrictions on domestic travel from coronavirus hotspots

Limits on travel from Britain and Ireland are on the way, and President Donald Trump says travel restrictions for U.S. coronavirus hotspots such as the Seattle area are also being considered.

www.geekwire.com

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Translation:
Florida won't listen to the federal government telling them what to do because they feel all jobs are essential and Biden is ****ed because he and the Democrats feel only some jobs are essential and want to destroy a lot of small businesses.

We are scheduled to leave next Friday, really hoping that if they do try to do a travel ban it doesn't happen or take effect before then, this is getting pathetic, we have a vaccine, Florida is on top of getting its population vaccinated more than most states and yet we have this kind of craziness happening.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The US supreme court in 1941 established a constitutional right to interstate travel, which if litigated would supersede this. More likely if implemented there would need to be a way to restrict to a specific grouping of people. Issuing a blanket across the board restriction would likely be shutdown quickly by the courts.

Wait a minute...

So you’re a lawyer...stand up comedian...AND an expert on car washing??

Multi-talented indeed.

 

[Tom P.]

Believe what you believe...even though we are not legal scholars.

The rules we live by are in many cases much more “modern”

Which is not always a good thing.

Regardless, whether you're talking about the law or about the Constitution, my considered opinion -- admittedly, as an IT person, not a lawyer -- is that any attempt by the federal government to restrict the mobility of American citizens from one state to another would likely be quickly struck down by the courts. And I agree with you that Biden is not going to do it anyway.

Also, that is a TNG-era red alert sound (you can hear the Enterprise-D background noises) with a TOS movie-era red alert graphic. For shame.

 

[JAKECOTCenter]

Although I'm worried about Florida's economy, there must be certain sacrifices to get this under control. If the science says that the only way to stay ahead of the UK variant is to close where 1/3rd of the cases are? I'd say yes

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Which is not always a good thing.

Regardless, whether you're talking about the law or about the Constitution, my considered opinion -- admittedly, as an IT person, not a lawyer -- is that any attempt by the federal government to restrict the mobility of American citizens from one state to another would likely be quickly struck down by the courts. And I agree with you that Biden is not going to do it anyway.

It doesn’t seem like any of us are disagreeing here...

The validity of a “ban” is almost zero percent chance to stand up to a court challenge.

But the “battle” right now is corona response and messaging...and this is designed to aid in that.