Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[correcaminos]

Initial vaccinations are focused on people who are at highest risk from dying which should show up in a reduced number of deaths, but these probably aren't the people who are driving the spread so I remain skeptical that the vaccine is currently driving the reduction in cases.

Not just deaths but cases and also healthcare workers were in our first roll out - before elderly. Those in congregate living quarters. Those made up a large number of cases. Add it with holidays and yes numbers drop. Not sure why both working together is hard to believe.

I will plan for late March then.

On a related note, apparently my friend in Georgia who is only 21 is scheduled Thursday. they are allowing him and the whole five of them to get vaccinated since their sixth household member is in her 80's. I haven't heard of anything like this. how in the world do they have that many dosages? both here in FL and in VA they can't keep up with demand from 65+

Haven't heard of that either unless they are caregivers.

Smart to wait too. 3 or 4 weeks depending on the shot. Add in 2 weeks for immunity to build after 2nd shot

 

[Horizons '83]

I will plan for late March then.

On a related note, apparently my friend in Georgia who is only 21 is scheduled Thursday. they are allowing him and the whole five of them to get vaccinated since their sixth household member is in her 80's. I haven't heard of anything like this. how in the world do they have that many dosages? both here in FL and in VA they can't keep up with demand from 65+

I can tell you your friend's experience is very rare. We are having the same logistical issues as the rest of the country. People (mind you in their 80's) waiting in the cold for 5 hours to be turned away when it was their turn. Appointment calendars that somehow got "lost" , 2nd doses being delayed due to shortages. Its a real problem here too.

 

[sullyinMT]

Depends on which one, 3 weeks or 4 weeks

Plus two weeks for optimal effect. So, @SamusAranX, you’re looking at 7-9 weeks for your optimal waiting period.

 

[matt9112]

Does the Florida order mandating masks provide for shutting down a business for noncompliance? In my state a business that doesn’t comply gets a warning, then if they still don’t comply customers can be “asked” to leave for public health reasons, and if that doesn’t work they can be charged with a Class A misdemeanor and fined up to $2,500.

Im awfully glad i live in florida.

 

[matt9112]

We have cultivated in the US, a portion of the population that is simply anti-science, anti-"elite", anti-establishment.
If scientists and the government and experts say to do something: They see it as reason to do the opposite.

Those who simply refuse to wear masks, viewing it as some form of government oppression. Who dismiss all mainstream news as fake.
This portion of the population can't be relied upon to get the vaccine.

I distrust the goverment more than a convicted murderer on death row but im still going to get the vaccine....dont check stereotypes so fast.

 

[matt9112]

Pfizer and Moderna can quickly modify their mRNA vaccines and as we speak Pfizer is working through a process to manufacture a powder version that doesn’t need the cold storage that should be ready before the end of year. I’m not saying a severe mutation isn’t a big deal, but it can be dealt with using the vaccine technology. If it becomes an annual shot it will become more like the flu shot which rarely has issues with lack of availability.

Isnt there also talk of a dual shot? So one shot in the future could have flu and rona coverage?

 

[GoofGoof]

On a related note, apparently my friend in Georgia who is only 21 is scheduled Thursday. they are allowing him and the whole five of them to get vaccinated since their sixth household member is in her 80's. I haven't heard of anything like this. how in the world do they have that many dosages? both here in FL and in VA they can't keep up with demand from 65+

Possibly a higher level of Covid denial there. Nationally we may get to 70 or 80% vaccinated but some places will be 95% and others barely over 50%.

 

[GoofGoof]

Isnt there also talk of a dual shot? So one shot in the future could have flu and rona coverage?

If it’s possible they could do that. Covid doesn’t seem to have as much of a seasonal profile as flu so it’s also possible you get a flu shot in fall and a covid shot in Spring. That’s if Covid becomes an annual thing.

 

[Horizons '83]

If it’s possible they could do that. Covid doesn’t seem to have as much of a seasonal profile as flu so it’s also possible you get a flu shot in fall and a covid shot in Spring. That’s if Covid becomes an annual thing.

Just remember, Georgia went Blue, Florida went Red Denial/hesitancy to take the vaccine is all over and always attributed to political leanings.

 

[GoofGoof]

Just remember, Georgia went Blue, Florida went Red Denial/hesitancy to take the vaccine is all over and always attributed to political leanings.

It depends on where you go within a state too. I live outside of Philadelphia in PA and it’s near impossible to get vaccine anywhere around here but I know some people who were successful at getting appointments in the middle of the state where demand appears to be less. If you are willing to drive a few hours it may be easier to get a shot. There will definitely be areas where demand is less even within a state. I have no idea what part of Georgia the other poster was talking about.

 

[Horizons '83]

It depends on where you go within a state too. I live outside of Philadelphia in PA and it’s near impossible to get vaccine anywhere around here but I know some people who were successful at getting appointments in the middle of the state where demand appears to be less. If you are willing to drive a few hours it may be easier to get a shot. There will definitely be areas where demand is less even within a state. I have no idea what part of Georgia the other poster was talking about.

Certainly very true. And I have family on my wife's side that are in the don't care if I get, won't take the vaccine category that live in the boondocks. The Atlanta Metro is like your typically metropolitan area, very progressive minded, full mask adherence, etc. You start driving south however, a whole different ballgame.

 

[GoofGoof]

Certainly very true. And I have family on my wife's side that are in the don't care if I get, won't take the vaccine category that live in the boondocks. The Atlanta Metro is like your typically metropolitan area, very progressive minded, full mask adherence, etc. You start driving south however, a whole different ballgame.

I think supply is so low right now that it’s not as glaring an issue but in a few months when they open open to anyone who wants it the states may need to start shifting available doses to areas in high demand or most people will be driving a while to get it.

 

[Horizons '83]

I think supply is so low right now that it’s not as glaring an issue but in a few months when they open open to anyone who wants it the states may need to start shifting available doses to areas in high demand or most people will be driving a while to get it.

I would bet on that. I can see a day in the near future (April/May timeframe) where there really won't be phases or restrictions on who can receive a vaccine. Come one come all.

 

[DisneyCane]

Just remember, Georgia went Blue, Florida went Red Denial/hesitancy to take the vaccine is all over and always attributed to political leanings.

Florida has been a swing state for a long time. It didn't "go" anything. Since 1992 Florida has gone R,D,R,R,D,D,R,R in presidential elections.

Vaccine hesitancy is attributed to government distrust and lack of education, not necessarily political leanings.

I'm pretty sure if you study who gets vaccinated, not who says they will or won't, you'll find the percentages pretty even across the political spectrum.

 

[matt9112]

Just remember, Georgia went Blue, Florida went Red Denial/hesitancy to take the vaccine is all over and always attributed to political leanings.

Doubt that..for example theres historically alot of mistrust of the goverment among African Americans (for good reason) yet they overwhelmingly vote blue....

 

[havoc315]

I would bet on that. I can see a day in the near future (April/May timeframe) where there really won't be phases or restrictions on who can receive a vaccine. Come one come all.

Already getting there. I suspect it will be open to everyone by end of March, though might not be easy to get an actual appointment.
New York is opening up next week to co-morbidities, and many states are already open to them. At least New York's list of co-morbidities is so massive, it would include most adults over 45, and many under. (obesity, hypertension, diabetes.... it's a very long list). I believe it's estimated that as of next week, more than 60% of New York adults will qualify.
We should see a major acceleration of vaccination by April. I'm guessing we will be safely averaging over 2 million per day by then, some of which will be the 1-shot JNJ.
By May/June, the issue will be convincing people to get the vaccine.

We also may get a false sense of safety -- Covid has proven to be seasonal. The "August surge" we had, was really trivial compared to the December surge. So say we get 50% of the population vaccinated by the summer..... Combining that level of vaccination plus seasonality, the numbers may get very very low by the summer. Falsely leading us to think we reached herd immunity, we can start moving back to normal. Only to face the music next fall/winter.

 

[correcaminos]

Doubt that..for example theres historically alot of mistrust of the goverment among African Americans (for good reason) yet they overwhelmingly vote blue....

Not at all the same thing or reason why. The government ignored issues at hand so marginalized tend to vote blue to attempt to have the govt step in and give equality. Like in rights, marriages and voting and sorta important stuff like that. Medical distrust is a whole other legit issue many struggle with.

 

[dreday3]

So the talk is back about covid testing required for traveling by air domestically.

I'm just not sure. First and selfishly, it's just going to be a giant pain. Second, people will have to be prepared monetarily to stay an extra 10 or 14 days if positive. Third, what about false positives? They happen. And finally, what's the point really - you can be negative 1 day and then positive 2 days later. Putting quarantine in place would make more sense.

I just think it's going to take an even bigger hit on the airlines/travel industry that are already struggling financially. Some of this feels like we are going backwards. We should have done some of this stuff long, long ago.

And I'm no longer upset we postponed trip from April/May to October!

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 233 new reported deaths, along with 6 Non-Florida Resident deaths.

 

[DisneyCane]

Not at all the same thing or reason why. The government ignored issues at hand so marginalized tend to vote blue to attempt to have the govt step in and give equality. Like in rights, marriages and voting and sorta important stuff like that. Medical distrust is a whole other legit issue many struggle with.

When Obama had the house and 60 votes in the Senate, the blue folks really took action to "give" equality to marginalized folks.

Don't be offended by my quotes. I put "give" in quotes because the government doesn't "give" equality to anyone. Whether you want to accept it or not, the overwhelming vast majority of people see everyone as being equal.

If you put a referendum on the ballot that asked if minorities should have fewer rights, it would get a very low percentage of votes even in the flyover states. Sure there are a small percentage of ignorant morons who would vote for that but they don't remotely have power and haven't in a half century.