Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[MisterPenguin]

With Biden saying 'we're well on the way to herd immunity by the summer", does that mean the 50th is back on? Assuming nothing goes wrong?

Plans for the 50th are irretrievably thrown out the window. A year of no profitable income and no preparation means the 50th is going to be way pared back from what it would have been (and WDW never said what it would have been).

The best we can hope for is for WDW to finish all the announced projects by the end of 2022 (presuming the 50th celebrations will go from Oct 2021 to the end of 2022) with a few Happy 50th signs attached. Any projects completed in the past two years will be billed as "Stuff we did to make the 50th a grand celebration!!"

 

[Kman]

I do think though that "vaccine tourism" will become more common if there continues to be a significant disparity of supply in the USA vs Canada.

no doubt...still doesn't make it right IMHO

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Except Florida, at least, was receiving more doses per week under "no plan" than now.

And yet...there was still no plan.

You get a lot of “fun stuff” living in Florida...but good governance/infrastructure was never part of that deal.

Didn’t you get the memo??

You are ruining his "Florida good, everyone else bad" narrative.

It also coincides with the “wrong...double down...everyday” narrative

 

[correcaminos]

The people that the puppet masters can just buy? Sure....NYC and greater LA area of course. The equal vote dosen't equal the equal representation you seek....the best thing for everybody on any side of any isle...less its the ketchup isle is for less governance in fact im socially liberal on some things...buuuut it boils down to this basic philosophy.

"Stop trying to tell people what to do in there personal lives" educate sure...demand....legislate that they do this or that? No.

It doesn't matter if there are social benefits...none of it is worth removing peoples individual freedoms to do as they please.

As an Independent living in the suburbs of a big city (not one you chose) looking at your comments I just have to toss out, have you've ever thought that you have severely simplified life in the US?

Also what individual freedoms are being taken away by letting urban and suburban dwellers actually have a voice?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The people that the puppet masters can just buy? Sure....NYC and greater LA area of course. The equal vote dosen't equal the equal representation you seek....the best thing for everybody on any side of any isle...less its the ketchup isle is for less governance in fact im socially liberal on some things...buuuut it boils down to this basic philosophy.

"Stop trying to tell people what to do in there personal lives" educate sure...demand....legislate that they do this or that? No.

It doesn't matter if there are social benefits...none of it is worth removing peoples individual freedoms to do as they please.

...so we’re gonna keep going then?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

As an Independent living in the suburbs of a big city (not one you chose) looking at your comments I just have to toss out, have you've ever thought that you have severely simplified life in the US?

Also what individual freedoms are being taken away by letting urban and suburban dwellers actually have a voice?

...thank you. My work here is now unnecessary

 

[matt9112]

As an Independent living in the suburbs of a big city (not one you chose) looking at your comments I just have to toss out, have you've ever thought that you have severely simplified life in the US?

Also what individual freedoms are being taken away by letting urban and suburban dwellers actually have a voice?

For. Context im from a large democratic stronghold of a city in the northeast myself. (I moved away)

So its really all the things that add up that sort of become one big thing. (To be clear im not saying urban folk dont deserve a voice) im simply pointing out what it leads to.

In new york we could look at soda size restrictions....thats probably one of those most silly ones. More common and wide spread would be plastic bag bans. (The concept being to help protect the environment) and im not doubting it does that just that its not anybodys right to tell people to do so.
Moving on to some more serious but more leftish would be abortion. (Moral god thing and life thing aside) its not the goverments job to tell somebody that they cant have an abortion (conversely telling them they must) gay rights would be another...(not withstanding the legal ridiculousness of marriage) its once again not the goverments right to be able to decide who can marry who.

When you think of representative democracy it's us electing people to make decisions for us. Thus goverment by extention is the people. It is not right for people to tell outher people how to live.
There are some obvious restrictions but even than goverment dosen't prevent you from commiting murder it just holds you accountable.

I will finish my thoughts on one final note.
Taxation....taking money from all the people to give to small groups of the people. Outside of roads and schools i would argue most people dont receive those tax dollars....(in the urban sprawl it will be a little different)

 

[DisneyCane]

Got to have it to get it. The manufacturer's are not hitting the targets.

The amount a state can order from the manufacturers is set by a chart that lists the max doses each state can order week by week. The amount a state can order is determined by its relative population.

If there is less now than before, it's because of production. The manufacturers originally had a stockpile in anticipation of getting approval. Once they go through that stockpile, they have to dial back to what's being produced week by week.

There has been no formulated plan under the Biden administration that has changed what was happening previously, as per their assertion that they have to come up with a plan, which means that right now, there is still the inherited 'no plan.'

Remember that initially most states weren't able to keep up with doses given because of their unpreparedness. Now that they've ramped up dose distribution and can handle more doses... the stockpile is gone, despite the Trump administration's director of HHS saying there was still a stockpile to let loose just a week ago.

If the Trump administration was keeping on top of things, they would have instead told the states that they've gone through the stockpile, and so be prepared for less shipments per week. But states instead ramped up distribution and reservations for doses.

May I remind you how unlikely the new administration, which is only six days old, can be held accountable for the doses that arrived last week and this upcoming week.

You are ruining his "Florida good, everyone else bad" narrative.

It also coincides with the “wrong...double down...everyday” narrative

I was mostly being sarcastic to point out that the "bungled rollout" has little to do with the federal plan, or lack thereof, to get shots in the arms and much to do with the number of doses available.

If Trump was still in office, all the blame for why I can't get a shot RIGHT NOW would be placed on him and his administration by many of you when the real issue is there just aren't nearly enough doses produced yet to meet the demand.

When the number of doses available weekly goes up significantly, so will shots in the arm and it will happen if the current path of letting the States handle the logistics is continued or if 100 FEMA sites are set up. The States are all expanding access as time goes on and are all getting better at the daily shot capacity. My "narrative" had nothing to do with "Florida good, everyone else bad" and everything to do with illustrating that who the President is has very little to do with vaccine creation or the speed at which the population is vaccinated.

I saw some poll that 70% approve of Biden's handling of COVID but he hasn't been in office long enough to actually do anything to handle it. 100% of the respondents should have answered "neither approve or disapprove" if that was a choice. The only "narrative" being set up is that the pandemic was Trump's fault and when it is finally behind us it will be because Biden and his "science based" administration saved the day. The reality is that the pandemic was nobody's fault (unless the virus did escape from the Wuhan lab, in which case it was the lab's fault) and that a wax figure of Abraham Lincoln could be President in 2021 and the pandemic will end when enough people are vaccinated.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

For. Context im from a large democratic stronghold of a city in the northeast myself. (I moved away)

So its really all the things that add up that sort of become one big thing. (To be clear im not saying urban folk dont deserve a voice) im simply pointing out what it leads to.

In new york we could look at soda size restrictions....thats probably one of those most silly ones. More common and wide spread would be plastic bag bans. (The concept being to help protect the environment) and im not doubting it does that just that its not anybodys right to tell people to do so.
Moving on to some more serious but more leftish would be abortion. (Moral god thing and life thing aside) its not the goverments job to tell somebody that they cant have an abortion (conversely telling them they must) gay rights would be another...(not withstanding the legal ridiculousness of marriage) its once again not the goverments right to be able to decide who can marry who.

When you think of representative democracy it's us electing people to make decisions for us. Thus goverment by extention is the people. It is not right for people to tell outher people how to live.
There are some obvious restrictions but even than goverment dosen't prevent you from commiting murder it just holds you accountable.

I will finish my thoughts on one final note.
Taxation....taking money from all the people to give to small groups of the people. Outside of roads and schools i would argue most people dont receive those tax dollars....(in the urban sprawl it will be a little different)

For your age...you sure picked up on a lot of the red herring/shiny object “points” here...

But I’ll only address the last one (far too political already)

You don’t honestly believe the bulk of “giveaway” money goes to SNAP and the national endowment for the arts, do you??

...it’s nothing...a minor shave off the big ball of ice. The money is shuffled upward and has been in higher volume since the 1950’s.

You seem like a bright dude...but you need wisdom in outlook.

Societies have costs...Stances like this are not productive.

 

[JoeCamel]

I was mostly being sarcastic to point out that the "bungled rollout" has little to do with the federal plan, or lack thereof, to get shots in the arms and much to do with the number of doses available.

If Trump was still in office, all the blame for why I can't get a shot RIGHT NOW would be placed on him and his administration by many of you when the real issue is there just aren't nearly enough doses produced yet to meet the demand.

When the number of doses available weekly goes up significantly, so will shots in the arm and it will happen if the current path of letting the States handle the logistics is continued or if 100 FEMA sites are set up. The States are all expanding access as time goes on and are all getting better at the daily shot capacity. My "narrative" had nothing to do with "Florida good, everyone else bad" and everything to do with illustrating that who the President is has very little to do with vaccine creation or the speed at which the population is vaccinated.

I saw some poll that 70% approve of Biden's handling of COVID but he hasn't been in office long enough to actually do anything to handle it. 100% of the respondents should have answered "neither approve or disapprove" if that was a choice. The only "narrative" being set up is that the pandemic was Trump's fault and when it is finally behind us it will be because Biden and his "science based" administration saved the day. The reality is that the pandemic was nobody's fault (unless the virus did escape from the Wuhan lab, in which case it was the lab's fault) and that a wax figure of Abraham Lincoln could be President in 2021 and the pandemic will end when enough people are vaccinated.

Really? Still defending the lack of planning and action that happened the last year?

We had the means to ramp up production and they were not used we left it up to big pharma to work out, it has proved inadequate to this point.
We had the means of distribution but it was not implemented. Instead it was left up to the manufacturers and FedEx to work out.
We have the means to do mass inoculations but they were not implemented.

Why do you continue to deflect blame from those responsible for setting up this situation?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I saw some poll that 70% approve of Biden's handling of COVID but he hasn't been in office long enough to actually do anything to handle it. 100% of the respondents should have answered "neither approve or disapprove" if that was a choice. The only "narrative" being set up is that the pandemic was Trump's fault and when it is finally behind us it will be because Biden and his "science based" administration saved the day. The reality is that the pandemic was nobody's fault (unless the virus did escape from the Wuhan lab, in which case it was the lab's fault) and that a wax figure of Abraham Lincoln could be President in 2021 and the pandemic will end when enough people are vaccinated.

You’re close...but got off course. The reality is there...just under the surface.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Really? Still defending the lack of planning and action that happened the last year?

We had the means to ramp up production and they were not used, left it up to the big pharma to work out. It has proved inadequate to this point.
We had the means of distribution but it was not implemented. Instead it was left up to the manufacturers and FedEx to work out.
We have the means to do mass inoculations but they were not implemented.

Why do you continue to deflect blame from those responsible for setting up this situation?

See post #52,184

 

[matt9112]

...so we’re gonna keep going then?

For your age...you sure picked up on a lot of the red herring/shiny object “points” here...

But I’ll only address the last one (far too political already)

You don’t honestly believe the bulk of “giveaway” money goes to SNAP and the national endowment for the arts, do you??

...it’s nothing...a minor shave off the big ball of ice. The money is shuffled upward and has been in higher volume since the 1950’s.

You seem like a bright dude...but you need wisdom in outlook.

Societies have costs...Stances like this are not productive.

Lol nooo i do not wear tin foil...snap is s drop in the bucket...what about those 11 aircraft carriers we "need" see i dont play favorites.....i just want less goverment period. However im going to let these dogs lay.

However i will take you up on your drink offer...

 

[MisterPenguin]

If Trump was still in office, all the blame for why I can't get a shot RIGHT NOW would be placed on him and his administration by many of you when the real issue is there just aren't nearly enough doses produced yet to meet the demand.

Perhaps because where we are right now is a direct result of his administration's lack of oversight because he didn't care to fully staff a COVID response team except to have political appointees "watch" the experts so that they only say stuff Trump wants to hear?

New administration: six days. Old administration oversight: twelve months.

The only people blaming the current administration are those who can't bear to admit the mistakes of the previous. If Trump won, he would indeed be blamed, but not because of what he did or didn't do this past week, but because of what he did and didn't do this past year.

 

[DisneyCane]

When you think of representative democracy it's us electing people to make decisions for us. Thus goverment by extention is the people. It is not right for people to tell outher people how to live.
There are some obvious restrictions but even than goverment dosen't prevent you from commiting murder it just holds you accountable.

I will finish my thoughts on one final note.
Taxation....taking money from all the people to give to small groups of the people. Outside of roads and schools i would argue most people dont receive those tax dollars....(in the urban sprawl it will be a little different)

The only direct representation that "we, the people" were really intended to have in the Federal Government was the House of Representatives. Originally, the Senators as well as the Electors for President were to be chosen by the State Legislatures.

The biggest issue with so much control concentrated in the densely populated metropolitan areas is that living there is vastly different than living in a very rural area. An example would be gun control. In a densely populated area, you could argue that a firearm isn't needed for protection because if somebody is breaking into your house while you are home you can call 911 and the police will come (although in my experience with various calls to police, it is not likely they will get there on time ). However, there are rural areas where you would be lucky if a sheriff or deputy could get to your location in less than a half an hour. In that situation you'd be absolutely crazy not to have firearms for self defense. I'm not trying to start a gun control debate, I just selected an issue where rural and city/suburban people would have very different views of what is needed.

I generally agree with you about taxation. The original concept would have been for the vast majority of taxing and spending to be done by the States. Of course, over time, promoting the "general Welfare" has morphed into the enormous Federal Government that exists today and the issue of taxation and how the money should be spent becomes very complex.

 

[Kevin_W]

I saw some poll that 70% approve of Biden's handling of COVID but he hasn't been in office long enough to actually do anything to handle it. 100% of the respondents should have answered "neither approve or disapprove" if that was a choice. The only "narrative" being set up is that the pandemic was Trump's fault and when it is finally behind us it will be because Biden and his "science based" administration saved the day. The reality is that the pandemic was nobody's fault (unless the virus did escape from the Wuhan lab, in which case it was the lab's fault) and that a wax figure of Abraham Lincoln could be President in 2021 and the pandemic will end when enough people are vaccinated.

The narrative is that he seems to care, doesn't seem interested in lying to the public about Covid, and is setting up competent people to be able to do there jobs. Even without results yet, that's probably enough to get a favorable rating from most.

 

[DisneyCane]

Really? Still defending the lack of planning and action that happened the last year?

We had the means to ramp up production and they were not used, left it up to the big pharma to work out. It has proved inadequate to this point.
We had the means of distribution but it was not implemented. Instead it was left up to the manufacturers and FedEx to work out.
We have the means to do mass inoculations but they were not implemented.

Why do you continue to deflect blame from those responsible for setting up this situation?

What means to ramp up production were available and not used? Are there vaccine factories sitting idle or brewing craft beer? Why didn't any other country do something to produce more if this capability is just sitting there?

Is there an issue with distribution? I haven't seen reports of shipments not getting delivered. I guess FEMA or something could have handled distribution directly but would it be any different than FedEx doing it?

There are no means to do mass inoculations if the doses aren't available. According to the latest CDC data from yesterday, 55% of the doses have been used. However, we know there are reporting delays so that number is really higher. Even going with the 18.6 million unused doses, that's only running two weeks behind at the current rate of nationwide injections. Does a 2 week delay in getting to a "doses delivered, doses injected" equilibrium really make that much of a difference in a pandemic that is in the 10th month?

The "situation" is that there aren't enough doses of vaccine being produced fast enough. The DPA can't really help that. We shouldn't lose sight of the fact that this "complaint" is about a vaccine that was made available in record time.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Perhaps because where we are right now is a direct result of his administration's lack of oversight because he didn't care to fully staff a COVID response team except to have political appointees "watch" the experts so that they only say stuff Trump wants to hear?

New administration: six days. Old administration oversight: twelve months.

The only people blaming the current administration are those who can't bear to admit the mistakes of the previous. If Trump won, he would indeed be blamed, but not because of what he did or didn't do this past week, but because of what he did and didn't do this past year.

Perhaps because where we are right now is a direct result of his administration's lack of oversight because he didn't care to fully staff a COVID response team except to have political appointees "watch" the experts so that they only say stuff Trump wants to hear?

New administration: six days. Old administration oversight: twelve months.

The only people blaming the current administration are those who can't bear to admit the mistakes of the previous. If Trump won, he would indeed be blamed, but not because of what he did or didn't do this past week, but because of what he did and didn't do this past year.

And as was reported yesterday.. birx said there was no team at all working on the virus. Wasn’t one put together.. she actually had to reach out to her friends to form some form of committee. We were so behind the 8-ball on January 6 , it’s a joke. Now some are actually hitting the new administration a week in? Do some even comprehend what has happened or just still being loyal? You can still love your man but the defense of this whole thing is mind boggling. Rise above it all and open your eyes, it’s right in front of them.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The narrative is that he seems to care, doesn't seem interested in lying to the public about Covid, and is setting up competent people to be able to do there jobs. Even without results yet, that's probably enough to get a favorable rating from most.

Nailed it.

And as a show of what’s possible: we don’t agree all the time. But TRUTH can fall right between differing viewpoints at times.

 

[CatesMom]

I wish I knew people. I just made it a goal to get loved ones signed up. No tricks for me in getting nor info above the masses. I found out when others did. We were all fighting for the same slots at the same time. I'm really just that persistent. I spent hours also doing my MIL in FL 3 weeks ago. She's getting her 2nd shot hopefully Friday. Not all have people like me who spend hours looking. That's rather unfair to them and I wish we could all help out.

Though maybe my 5G enhancement from being in the trial helped me load faster lol

I do think for this time of the year in the midwest, I prefer appointment stress. When we had to do the H1N1 in 2009 that was an even bigger mess. Toting a toddler under 2 as well.

I've been searching high and low for appointment-based vaccine opportunities for my 75 and 80 year old parents in South Texas. No luck. So far, their town has held a few first-come-first-served vaccination clinics at the fairgrounds, but those have been a mess of free-for-all participation, limited vaccine supply, getting in line for a shot at 3:30 am only to be sent home empty handed (or empty armed, as it were), and no promise of available second shots. So we keep waiting and watching.