Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[easyrowrdw]

In more than one district around me, when there has been an exposure, parents are often encouraged just to have their child isolate for the requisite number of days rather than get tested. The cynic in me suspects a numbers game...actual positive cases look lower.

I read a tweet a week or so ago (obviously this was anecdotal) from an ER Dr who has treated many Covid patients, both adults and children, and made the comment that schools have *always* been germ spreaders, and yet we're told that suddenly with this virus, the germs are no longer being spread in schools. That said, I've been very impressed with how great my students have done w/ keeping masks on. Hopefully masks (and the attempts at social distancing by children) are effective.

One of my children developed Covid-like symptoms after one day back at school. I emailed the nurse and asked what we should do. We were instructed that neither she nor her brother could return without either a negative test, an alternative diagnosis from a physician, or having been out for 10 or 14 days (I can't remember which). They give us weekly updates about the district and our local school. I guess I trust them; I have no reason not to so far.

My kids wear their masks all day. They take them off for lunch, but lunch is spaced out. They only have recess with their class and they wear masks then too. If this is how it's happening, then I'm not surprised that germs aren't spreading like usual.

On the other hand, I have a friend whose child attends a private school. She's not been pleased with the safety procedures at their school. They had pictures of groups of kids not wearing masks. There was apparently a school party and kids doing a Conga line without masks. Emails regarding positive tests are slow and not specific enough to be helpful.

From what I've seen and read, I think schools can operate safely, but not all of them are.

 

[Miss Bella]

A 92% approval rating is pretty close to unified. It’s all history now anyway, my only point is we should see at least 80% of the people heavily supporting the vaccine. Even if you fall in the 20% and you don’t want to get it yourself you should still heavily support others to do it, if we get enough people on board we can still get out of the pandemic even without that 20%.

9/11 was a one day event not a year long. We didn’t divide the country into essential and nonessential workers We didn’t arbitrarily shut down small business while big box stores were allowed to remain open. We didn’t have a Summer of riots. Most of all it wasn’t an election year. There are so many things that divided the country this year I just don’t see it as comparable to 2001.

 

[GoofGoof]

9/11 was a one day event not a year long. We didn’t divide the country into essential and nonessential workers We didn’t arbitrarily shut down small business while big box stores were allowed to remain open. We didn’t have a Summer of riots. Most of all it wasn’t an election year. There are so many things that divided the country this year I just don’t see it as comparable to 2001.

I wasn’t saying 2021 has anything to do with 2001, just that despite many of the same political divides (2000 was a disputed election as well that was actually decided by the Supreme Court) the country did come together around the events of 9/11. It rose above politics. The vaccine should have nothing to do with politics anyway, but even if there are deep divides over many other things the vaccine shouldn’t be one.

 

[SamusAranX]

Outside of post 9/11 there hasn’t been a politically charged issue with that high a level of consensus in decades.

I do think there’s some confusion between people opposing the vaccine outright and people wanting to wait and let others go first. Right now there is an extreme shortage of vaccines available and demand far exceeds supply so there’s no issue with anyone saying they will wait a little. If we get to April and (god willing) we maybe have a 3rd and/or 4th vaccine as well and they start becoming available to anyone who wants them and have also received full authorization (not just EUA) then it becomes an issue for society if people stay on the fence. We need to get to 75-80% of the population vaccinated to ensure we reach herd immunity. As long as we get there then the 20% that may be hold outs shouldn‘t matter. Some of them will be people with medical issues who can’t get the vaccine and some will just be anti-Covid vaccine people who will never get it. As long as the 20% doesn‘t grow too much we should be OK.

This. People exaggerate when they say “the country has never been divided thus much before”. It’s been divided and it was inevitable because of certain events in history.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Unfortunately though, the vaccine doesn’t 100% protect us. So, those nonbelievers won’t just be taking themselves down, they’ll also be taking some of us down with them.

Somebody correct me if I am wrong but I think the current flu vaccine is about 40 percent effective, so the COVID vaccine being 95 percent effective is outstanding!

 

[Touchdown]

Somebody correct me if I am wrong but I think the current flu vaccine is about 40 percent effective, so the COVID vaccine being 95 percent effective is outstanding!

We don’t know the current flu vaccine effectiveness, we haven’t seen enough of the flu to know yet.

 

[GoofGoof]

Somebody correct me if I am wrong but I think the current flu vaccine is about 40 percent effective, so the COVID vaccine being 95 percent effective is outstanding!

The CDC guideline for emergency use authorization for a Covid vaccine is at least 50% efficacy. They were willing to approve any that were over that level so, yes 95% is really good. Better than most people expected.

 

[lazyboy97o]

These healthcare workers aren’t anti vaxxers as people like to say.

They are if they encourage people spreading anti-vaxxer garbage.

 

[hopemax]

So in the "Uh oh" column...the UK variant. Some groups are beginning to release preliminary data, and some Epi/Virology people are calling it "concerning."

Good news first, still no reason to think the vaccines won't be effective. Bad news, the nasal viral load in patients with the variant are possibly 10-100 times that of "regular" COVID. By comparison, the previous "more transmissible variant" was 2-4 times more viral load.

What this might mean. People were being cautious about blaming increased spread on viral changes vs. people just being lax about behavior. It really could be viral changes. Cascading effect is that more people getting sick faster, means more people needing hospital care, and we know many places are already struggling. No indications about virulence/lethality yet, although it doesn't seem like anyone is worried along those lines, just the speed and what that means about how many more people will need care all at once and might get sick before they can be vaccinated.

Lesson, we need to get people vaccinated ASAP, which may help explain why the UK is now talking seriously about delaying 2nd vaccine doses in order to get more people receive 1 dose (there is pushback, because modifying the regimen is unproven). The theory is that it's better to have 100 million people with 80% protection vs 50 million people with 95% protection. Also, distancing, masks, not traveling or mixing groups, anything we can do to slow down transmissibility is going to be more important (not what people want to hear).

 

[Miss Bella]

They are if they encourage people spreading anti-vaxxer garbage.

I’ve not heard anyone tell someone else not to get vaccinated.

 

[lazyboy97o]

I’ve not heard anyone tell someone else not to get vaccinated.

I didn’t say anything about telling people not to get vaccinated. If you applaud, support and defend people who make baseless and disingenuous anti-vaxxer claims, especially when also pushing general skepticism about one or more vaccines, then you are an anti-vaxxer.

 

[giantgolfer]

One more thing to divide our country. I think the next few years are going to be very interesting to say the least.

I voted for him in last election in 16, but Trump has divided this country more than anyone.

 

[Miss Bella]

I voted for him in LP

I have no idea what LP means.

 

[correcaminos]

We don’t know the current flu vaccine effectiveness, we haven’t seen enough of the flu to know yet.

But other countries have. We usually get a good guess from flu season from places lime Australia. Though this year due to their restrictions flu was low. Often We're at about 50% give or take but end result is flu shots help diminish symptoms and severity too.

 

[giantgolfer]

One more thing to divide our country. I think the next few years are going to be very interesting to say the least.

I have no idea what LP means.

Hit post by accident.

Edited it.

 

[Miss Bella]

I didn’t say anything about telling people not to get vaccinated. If you applaud, support and defend people who make baseless and disingenuous anti-vaxxer claims, especially when also pushing general skepticism about one or more vaccines, then you are an anti-vaxxer.

Are will really back to this again. Who again is being applauded and supported on here.

 

[BrianLo]

Are will really back to this again. Who again is being applauded and supported on here.

It’s pretty remote now, but the person just removed from this thread was legitimately peddling anti-vaccine propaganda a couple of months ago in this thread. I think you are being lumped in with them somewhat inappropriately, because you sort of rushed to their defense in what was a fairly gross and poorly thought out emoji (on their part).

In those instances I tend to disengage and not encourage them to have a platform. There is a huge difference between people who are personally hesitant and people who are legitimately trying to discourage the public and indirectly have lead to the crisis of vaccine preventable deaths; which are surprisingly not as uncommon as I’d like.

I was incidentally accused of harming patients, not obtaining consent, being paid off by nebulous big pharma, being scientifically illiterate and told to reference their Facebook groups. At which point it was clear there was no conversation worth continuing. I’m not incidentally surprised where we ended up.

 

[sullyinMT]

As a glimmer of hope to end 2020, Yellowstone County is moving officially into phase 1b. Wife and a friend of ours (dental hygienist), had a ladies’ morning and got shot up with Moderna dose 1. 7 hours later and nothing really to report beyond typical site soreness.

 

[MisterPenguin]

60% of nursing home staff in Ohio are refusing to get vaccinated, according to the state governor

"We aren't going to make them, but we wish they had a higher compliance," said DeWine, as he expressed frustration at the progress of the vaccinations

www.businessinsider.com

To those of you that think I'm the only healthcare worker in America not willing to be guinea pig for this new roll out. I can provide more media if you need it.

By the way I'm not an anti-vaxxer, gaslighter, or custodian.

As for Ohio's LTC staff, I'm honestly not going to click there. Staffing at LT facilities is so varied, that I'm not surprised at all by that number of hesitancy (not refusal) that more closely mimics the general population.

I'll handle that one.

The article references "health care workers" in long term care facilities. Not all HCWs in LTCFs are nurses. The conversation was circling nurses and now we may be including a larger demographic of aides and support staff. We'd expect nurses with a medical education to not be leery of vaccines. Others, without that education, are at the whims of their news sources which is addressed in the article:

Peter van Runkle, executive director at the Ohio Health Care Association, told Business Insider that social media misinformation was among the factors leading to care home staff avoiding the vaccine. ​

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He said people feared the vaccine was "too new and was rushed through the process. The government is trying to do something to me – implant a microchip or do something else harmful. It will sterilize me. It will give me COVID-19. All manner of things from social media.​

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"Then we have a group who are just against vaccines in general, whether it is for COVID or anything else.​

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"Another group already had COVID and thinks they don't need the vaccine.​

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"Probably the biggest fear is the unknown. How sick will it make me? How long will it last?"​

As you can see, the characterization of concerns are partly based in misinformation. Some think there's a microchip in the vaccine or they'll catch COVID from it. That's not an informed opinion but someone who has bought into the misinformation. Other excuses include those who've had the virus and don't think they need the vaccine (which may be true).

So, there's only a partial subset of these HCWs -- who may or may not be nurses -- who are generally against the vaccine because it's unproven,

OR.... they're anti-vaxxers.

Not the kind of link that supports "oh yeah, there are lots of nurses who won't get the vaccine for good reasons."

These healthcare workers aren’t anti vaxxers as people like to say.

Not according to the link which you yourself linked. See the quote above. Thanks for providing a link that disproves your assertion.

In all fairness I did post more articles from other parts of the country. I could keep posting them, but most people know how to use google. I posted them because I was getting tired of the anti-vaxxer nonsense.

@sullivan.kscott deflated your first two links as supporting your claim (and their click-bait title... please critically read fully any article one posts), and I jabbed the third.

If this is representative of the links you can link all day... It doesn't seem like it will amount to much.

 

[Miss Bella]

I'll handle that one.

The article references "health care workers" in long term care facilities. Not all HCWs in LTCFs are nurses. The conversation was circling nurses and now we may be including a larger demographic of aides and support staff. We'd expect nurses with a medical education to not be leery of vaccines. Others, without that education, are at the whims of their news sources which is addressed in the article:

Peter van Runkle, executive director at the Ohio Health Care Association, told Business Insider that social media misinformation was among the factors leading to care home staff avoiding the vaccine. ​

​

He said people feared the vaccine was "too new and was rushed through the process. The government is trying to do something to me – implant a microchip or do something else harmful. It will sterilize me. It will give me COVID-19. All manner of things from social media.​

​

"Then we have a group who are just against vaccines in general, whether it is for COVID or anything else.​

​

"Another group already had COVID and thinks they don't need the vaccine.​

​

"Probably the biggest fear is the unknown. How sick will it make me? How long will it last?"​

As you can see, the characterization of concerns are partly based in misinformation. Some think there's a microchip in the vaccine or they'll catch COVID from it. That's not an informed opinion but someone who has bought into the misinformation. Other excuses include those who've had the virus and don't think they need the vaccine (which may be true).

So, there's only a partial subset of these HCWs -- who may or may not be nurses -- who are generally against the vaccine because it's unproven,

OR.... they're anti-vaxxers.

Not the kind of link that supports "oh yeah, there are lots of nurses who won't get the vaccine for good reasons."



Not according to the link which you yourself linked. See the quote above. Thanks for providing a link that disproves your assertion.



@sullivan.kscott deflated your first two links as supporting your claim (and their click-bait title... please critically read fully any article one posts), and I jabbed the third.

If this is representative of the links you can link all day... It doesn't seem like it will amount to much.

So why are all these stories being written? What’s the agenda? I posted them to show there is some reluctance not as proof of anything wrong with the vaccine.