Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Heppenheimer]

The top two headlines are a little misleading, but that's news for you. And you certainly can't control the headlines. The LA Times article's first quote is from a 31 year old nurse who is six months pregnant. I'm hoping anyone who reads that or similar stories would understand her reasonable position to be hesitant. Maybe even into the first months of lactation, IDK to be honest. But she is assuredly counting on others, as is the rest of the human population, to get vaccinated if and when possible.

The second article is an opinion piece that is actually meant to help people a little hesitant to receive the vaccine "come around." The article comes from a place of understanding, but ends with a CCRN understanding the risk/reward is too great in being vaccinated's favor. It's a well written opinion piece meant for a target audience that comes from a great place. With a terrible headline. Again, I'm not coming at this as an attack on you.

As for Ohio's LTC staff, I'm honestly not going to click there. Staffing at LT facilities is so varied, that I'm not surprised at all by that number of hesitancy (not refusal) that more closely mimics the general population.

I'll give a pass to any health care worker who is pregnant, since the vaccine studies in pregnancy are pending at the present time.

 

[sullyinMT]

It may be semantics but there’s a difference between no proven cases of transmission and no transmission. I know it’s a different age group, but I have a co-worker who has 2 kids in daycare and both he and his wife tested positive for Covid recently and they both work from home and hadn’t been out for anything more than groceries in weeks. The daycare informed them that 2 of the workers tested positive so they suspect that their kids brought Covid home. Since the kids have no symptoms they didn’t test them, but I suspect that’s the common a lot of places. Many kids are never tested so we don’t know if they had it and just had no or few symptoms. My friend‘s kids both had “colds” about a month ago and stayed virtual for 10 days (they have a hybrid system with a virtual option). The parents never got them tested and the cold like symptoms ended after a few days. Maybe it was a cold, maybe it was Covid. If it was Covid they most likely got it at school since they weren’t going anywhere else.

Near me the number of cases in the schools dropped down once they cancelled after school activities and youth sports. We had a large outbreak from ice hockey and most of the cases in the schools that were able to be traced anywhere were from kids spreading it to each other after school. I do think the lunch room is sketchy. For my younger son in elementary school they are pretty strict and actually make them eat lunch at spaced desks that are in staggered rows. For middle and high school it’s a joke. They block off every other seat but from my 8th grader‘s own admission the kids don’t stay where they should and there’s definitely no masks while at lunch.

You’re probably on to something with sports and activities. My son’s MS has had a handful of cases, but they’ve largely been isolated to sports teams. His orchestra has had zero, as has MtG club (but those kids were always a little antisocial ammiright), with the kids who don’t overlap their Venn diagram to volleyball (or insert other sport. That seemed to be the big one at the start of the year).

Makes sense. Orchestra, debate, table cards, can all be done at varying distance with masks. That’s a bit tough for more physical sports or even band (wind ensemble). Not sure what the latter has experienced.

 

[Polkadotdress]

It appears that the choice of whether or not to get the vaccine anytime soon has been taken away from us.

Yes, THIS!

 

[sullyinMT]

I'll give a pass to any health care worker who is pregnant, since the vaccine studies in pregnancy are pending at the present time.

Through casual conversation we all discovered that a beloved coworker is expecting her second. We were sharing vaccination “war stories,” and when it came her turn she just pointed at her belly.

No one ribbed her and told her to make an appointment. It’s absolutely valid. I didn’t see where they were excluded from the EUA, so hopefully there’s some good safety data soon for women and families with childbearing goals.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Through casual conversation we all discovered that a beloved coworker is expecting her second. We were sharing vaccination “war stories,” and when it came her turn she just pointed at her belly.

No one ribbed her and told her to make an appointment. It’s absolutely valid. I didn’t see where they were excluded from the EUA, so hopefully there’s some good safety data soon for women and families with childbearing goals.

They weren't specifically excluded from the EUA, but the fact that pregnant women were excluded from the initial trials gives extra validity to the precaution.

 

[HarperRose]

Nobody should mandate a vaccine that is only approved for emergency use. I don’t even think that’s legal or can certainly be challenged.

It can't be mandated until the emergency use designation has been dropped.

 

[GoofGoof]

Through casual conversation we all discovered that a beloved coworker is expecting her second. We were sharing vaccination “war stories,” and when it came her turn she just pointed at her belly.

No one ribbed her and told her to make an appointment. It’s absolutely valid. I didn’t see where they were excluded from the EUA, so hopefully there’s some good safety data soon for women and families with childbearing goals.

The last I had seen Pfizer is currently going down to 12 year old kids with their trial. They intend to start a trial soon for 5 to 11 year olds and trials later in 2021 for kids 4 and under and pregnant women. I think a few of the trial participants ended up getting pregnant but not enough to provide proof it’s safe.

 

[Miss Bella]

This is an excerpt from the second article. The survey was taken by a union group which also represents other healthcare workers. I would give more weight to one taken by the ANA - which is a larger, older, professional, RN only association. Also, even if the survey included only RNs, 13,000 out of 3.8 million nurses is still not the majority.

"A recent survey of nearly 13,000 nurses by the American Nurses Federation found that one third of us would refuse the vaccine, and another third were unsure whether to take it. A similar American Journal of Nursing poll found that nurses were far less willing than physicians to take the vaccine.


These findings cast a troubling shadow over the country’s upcoming vaccination campaign. With infection rates and deaths surging across the United States, the specter of a large number of nurses refusing to be inoculated could greatly complicate efforts to bring the pandemic under control. There are roughly 3.8 million nurses, making us the largest health-care profession. And people are turning to us for answers."

I can keep posting articles from around the country. There are many more. If it’s fake news then there would have to be a collaborative effort by the media to spread dis information. I can normally find an agenda with the media, but I can’t find it here. I also have a bias because from my own personal experience it seems accurate. I had a doctor two days ago ask me why nurses aren’t getting the vaccine when all the doctors are.

Keep in mind most of our doctors are from third world countries and are very pro vaccine. We have two doctors from China that are antivaxxers. Maybe something they saw from their childhood in China.? I dont know.

Why nurses are much more skeptical is a question I cant answer. We just are.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Why nurses are much more skeptical is a question I cant answer. We just are.

A friend of mines wife is a nurse. He was telling me she was one of 3 nurses at her hospital that got the vaccine the first day they could. He couldn’t figure it out either but that does seem to be the case.

 

[Miss Bella]

Some US healthcare workers refusing Covid vaccine out of fear

Some Michigan healthcare workers torn on whether to get COVID-19 vaccine

Not all Michigan healthcare workers — including those who have battled COVID-19 — will opt to take the vaccine if they are not required to do so.

www.freep.com

Some Georgia doctors, nurses hesitant to receive COVID-19 vaccine, state health director says

State hospital leaders said they're hearing some doctors and nurses may avoid immediately taking a COVID-19 vaccine.

www.11alive.com

 

[marni1971]

To be brutally honest, let those who don’t want the vaccine just infect each other and possibly die. Then the rest of us can try and get back to some sort of normality.

From Europe. Where it’s out of control. And coming your way.

 

[Polkadotdress]

To be brutally honest, let those who don’t want the vaccine just infect each other and possibly die. Then the rest of us can try and get back to some sort of normality.

From Europe. Where it’s out of control. And coming your way.

Unfortunately though, the vaccine doesn’t 100% protect us. So, those nonbelievers won’t just be taking themselves down, they’ll also be taking some of us down with them.

 

[marni1971]

Unfortunately though, the vaccine doesn’t 100% protect us. So, those nonbelievers won’t just be taking themselves down, they’ll also be taking some of us down with them.

Very Fair point. Says even more about them.

 

[Miss Bella]

A friend of mines wife is a nurse. He was telling me she was one of 3 nurses at her hospital that got the vaccine the first day they could. He couldn’t figure it out either but that does seem to be the case.

These healthcare workers aren’t anti vaxxers as people like to say.

 

[sullyinMT]

As the husband of one for the past 18 years, and coworker to many for 15, the term nurse is broad and abused. I’ve run into more than one CNA and MA that insist they do as much and know as much as a nurse. Then, even among the ranks of “real” nurses for lack of a better term, there are ASN, BSN and mid-level providers running around with varying levels of ability for thought and critical understanding. Some dear friends became nurses as an ill-conceived way to make enough to pay off their student loans in unmarketable degrees. I don’t want to be misinterpreted as demeaning, so I’ll stop there, but it goes back to my previous comment that we’re all people with different stories.

I’m not surprised in a profession that diverse, there is a percentage that will be hesitant. Even in these recently cited articles, it mentions that most will “come around” in the near future. I don’t get it, but whatever. Just come around in March or April, not some ill-conceived vapor “someday.”

 

[Miss Bella]

To be brutally honest, let those who don’t want the vaccine just infect each other and possibly die. Then the rest of us can try and get back to some sort of normality.

From Europe. Where it’s out of control. And coming your way.

One more thing to divide our country. I think the next few years are going to be very interesting to say the least.

 

[SamusAranX]

To be brutally honest, let those who don’t want the vaccine just infect each other and possibly die. Then the rest of us can try and get back to some sort of normality.

From Europe. Where it’s out of control. And coming your way.

Oh it’s already out of control here. The strain has been here and I think it partially explains the huge surge, especially in NY and Cali who have tried to implement reasonable restrictions

 

[GoofGoof]

One more thing to divide our country. I think the next few years are going to be very interesting to say the least.

I wouldn’t think so. The last poll I saw 78% of Americans said they would get the vaccine (eventually) with 20% saying never so while that’s still 20% of the population opposed to it I think it’s hard to find almost any issue where 78% of people are on the same side.

Americans’ readiness to receive COVID-19 vaccine jumps: poll

Americans’ willingness to be vaccinated against COVID-19 has jumped markedly since the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna jabs have been authorized for use by the FDA, according to a new poll. According t…

nypost.com

 

[DisneyDebRob]

I wouldn’t think so. The last poll I saw 78% of Americans said they would get the vaccine (eventually) with 20% saying never so while that’s still 20% of the population opposed to it I think it’s hard to find almost any issue where 78% of people are on the same side.

Americans’ readiness to receive COVID-19 vaccine jumps: poll

Americans’ willingness to be vaccinated against COVID-19 has jumped markedly since the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna jabs have been authorized for use by the FDA, according to a new poll. According t…

nypost.com

I would think liking Oreo cookies may get to 80%. Besides that, 78% is a difficult number to get in today’s world.

 

[Miss Bella]

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I wouldn’t think so. The last poll I saw 78% of Americans said they would get the vaccine (eventually) with 20% saying never so while that’s still 20% of the population opposed to it I think it’s hard to find almost any issue where 78% of people are on the same side.

Americans’ readiness to receive COVID-19 vaccine jumps: poll

Americans’ willingness to be vaccinated against COVID-19 has jumped markedly since the Pfizer-BioNTech and Moderna jabs have been authorized for use by the FDA, according to a new poll. According t…

nypost.com

Yeah possibly on the vaccine, but as far as unity. Nah. Maybe if we got rid of social media we could. I know you like to bring up 9/11 as a time when the country unified, but remember there was no Twitter back then.