Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Lilofan]

Yeah possibly on the vaccine, but as far as unity. Nah. Maybe if we got rid of social media we could. I know you like to bring up 9/11 as a time when the country unified, but remember there was no Twitter back then.

The many comments from forum members on this forum after the planes hit the WTC and the Pentagon on 9/11 were heart wrenching.

 

[GoofGoof]

I would think liking Oreo cookies may get to 80%. Besides that, 78% is a difficult number to get in today’s world.

Outside of post 9/11 there hasn’t been a politically charged issue with that high a level of consensus in decades.

I do think there’s some confusion between people opposing the vaccine outright and people wanting to wait and let others go first. Right now there is an extreme shortage of vaccines available and demand far exceeds supply so there’s no issue with anyone saying they will wait a little. If we get to April and (god willing) we maybe have a 3rd and/or 4th vaccine as well and they start becoming available to anyone who wants them and have also received full authorization (not just EUA) then it becomes an issue for society if people stay on the fence. We need to get to 75-80% of the population vaccinated to ensure we reach herd immunity. As long as we get there then the 20% that may be hold outs shouldn‘t matter. Some of them will be people with medical issues who can’t get the vaccine and some will just be anti-Covid vaccine people who will never get it. As long as the 20% doesn‘t grow too much we should be OK.

 

[BrianLo]

The stats are about the same at my hospital. At least 50% are opting out. More doctors getting it than nurses that’s for sure. Nurses are generally more hesitant, but we have doctors that won’t even enter a Covid room. I could pull more articles. I don’t think the media has an agenda here.

I’ll certainly support you on this. I love nurses, my mother is a nurse. While I think as a whole they are certainly less vaccine opposed than the general population, there is always stronger hesitancy compared to physicians when it comes to personally getting vaccines.

Influenza vaccines in normal years is generally quite poor uptake. Particularly in our NICU’s.

I’m all for choice as long as people are not using their position to pass on misinformation to the general public.

As has been rightfully pointed out, demand is currently outstripping supply. So long as the doses don't go to waste, whether the vaccine goes to 40yo Irene the RN or 37yo Melissa the lab tech doesn't matter. It's a shot in arm that brings us one arm closer to the end goal. Ask me in 5 months, and if people are still spouting senseless claims then we can have a discussion about whether an eligible but unwilling medical professional should be working in high-risk or high exposure areas when a reasonable alternative exists.

This is my position as well. I don’t really care if a significant portion of people want to take a “wait and see”. There won’t be enough to go around far longer than their optimistic projections anyways.

Better this for the moment than turning the vaccine into toliet paper at Costco. The majority will come around.

 

[GoofGoof]

Yeah possibly on the vaccine, but as far as unity. Nah. Maybe if we got rid of social media we could. I know you like to bring up 9/11 as a time when the country unified, but remember there was no Twitter back then.

Unity around the vaccine is important. Unity around politicians, I don‘t really care. There is a percent of people on the left and a percent on the right and they will never waiver. Then theres a group in the middle that decides which side wins. It’s a broken political system. Even without Twitter after 9/11 people were unified around the response to that attack, they didn’t agree on everything else. The vaccine needs to be like that...above politics.

 

[Miss Bella]

The many comments from forum members on this forum after the planes hit the WTC and the Pentagon on 9/11 were heart wrenching.

This forum may be a little contentious, but it ain't nothing like twitter.

 

[Miss Bella]

Unity around the vaccine is important. Unity around politicians, I don‘t really care. There is a percent of people on the left and a percent on the right and they will never waiver. Then theres a group in the middle that decides which side wins. It’s a broken political system. Even without Twitter after 9/11 people were unified around the response to that attack, they didn’t agree on everything else. The vaccine needs to be like that...above politics.

They were unified for a very short period of time.

 

[GoofGoof]

They were unified for a very short period of time.

Long enough to prick someone with a needle...twice 3 weeks apart is all we need

George W had an approval rating that peaked at 92% just after 9/11 and stayed above 80% until April 2002. It dropped steadily after that but ticked back up above 70% when we invaded Iraq a year later (despite the revisionist history that was actually a popular decision at the time). He eventually dipped below 40% but that was the end of his second term.

 

[Disstevefan1]

Unity around the vaccine is important. Unity around politicians, I don‘t really care. There is a percent of people on the left and a percent on the right and they will never waiver. Then theres a group in the middle that decides which side wins. It’s a broken political system. Even without Twitter after 9/11 people were unified around the response to that attack, they didn’t agree on everything else. The vaccine needs to be like that...above politics.

I agree in theory the group in the middle that decides, but that assumed free, fair, legal elections and there is no voter fraud from the left or the right...

 

[Miss Bella]

Long enough to prick someone with a needle...twice 3 weeks apart is all we need

George W had an approval rating that peaked at 92% just after 9/11 and stayed above 80% until April 2002. It dropped steadily after that but ticked back up above 70% when we invaded Iraq a year later (despite the revisionist history that was actually a popular decision at the time). He eventually dipped below 40% but that was the end of his second term.

A lot of people that supported that war now regret it. Hindsight is 20\20.

 

[The Mom]

I can keep posting articles from around the country. There are many more. If it’s fake news then there would have to be a collaborative effort by the media to spread dis information. I can normally find an agenda with the media, but I can’t find it here. I also have a bias because from my own personal experience it seems accurate. I had a doctor two days ago ask me why nurses aren’t getting the vaccine when all the doctors are.

Keep in mind most of our doctors are from third world countries and are very pro vaccine. We have two doctors from China that are antivaxxers. Maybe something they saw from their childhood in China.? I dont know.

Why nurses are much more skeptical is a question I cant answer. We just are.

I didn't say it was fake news - just that I would trust a survey done by one group more than another. I agree that there are a lot of nurses who seem to be not necessarily against the vaccine, but are hesitant because it is new. Right now this isn't a major problem because many are not in a position to get it anyway, along with the general population who they contact. Better to let those who are ready, willing and able go ahead of you instead of holding up the line.

It may be a problem as time goes by and more people have access to the vaccine, or have safely received it, and too many still refuse to get it.

 

[correcaminos]

Unity around the vaccine is important. Unity around politicians, I don‘t really care. There is a percent of people on the left and a percent on the right and they will never waiver. Then theres a group in the middle that decides which side wins. It’s a broken political system. Even without Twitter after 9/11 people were unified around the response to that attack, they didn’t agree on everything else. The vaccine needs to be like that...above politics.

Being blunt here, not all were unified. The hate towards Arabs and Muslims still lingers. Those who are pacifists and didn't want war were told not so kind things. Not all were as unified as people would like to think. There was a lot of support given but the country didn't all agree on next steps.

Nothing will ever be 100% or even 80% I am happy with the vaccine response so far, but the naysayers will do more harm than good. They forget their choice affects more than just themselves

 

[GoofGoof]

Being blunt here, not all were unified. The hate towards Arabs and Muslims still lingers. Those who are pacifists and didn't want war were told not so kind things. Not all were as unified as people would like to think. There was a lot of support given but the country didn't all agree on next steps.

Nothing will ever be 100% or even 80% I am happy with the vaccine response so far, but the naysayers will do more harm than good. They forget their choice affects more than just themselves

A 92% approval rating is pretty close to unified. It’s all history now anyway, my only point is we should see at least 80% of the people heavily supporting the vaccine. Even if you fall in the 20% and you don’t want to get it yourself you should still heavily support others to do it, if we get enough people on board we can still get out of the pandemic even without that 20%.

 

[cjrciadtster]

I just hope the current vaccines are effective against the newer strains.... If not, you can put 2021 or even 2022 in the bin before we even close out 2020.

 

[Disney Experience]

Unfortunately though, the vaccine doesn’t 100% protect us. So, those nonbelievers won’t just be taking themselves down, they’ll also be taking some of us down with them.

Even though the total number of serious covid cases in the Moderna study was low , no serious cases of covid occurred in the vaccinated subjects, but did in the Placebo group. That brings hope that the vaccines may be protecting against serious covid in the 5% of the vaccinated subjects who got covid.

Moderna claimed 100% protection against serious covid. But acknowledge more data may change that number.

 

[GoofGoof]

I just hope the current vaccines are effective against the newer strains.... If not, you can put 2021 or even 2022 in the bin before we even close out 2020.

So far the vaccine manufactures say they think the current vaccines will still be effective against the new variant but they are testing it and won’t have full conclusions for a few weeks. The head of BioNTech said he does not think the variant will be an issue, but if it is the vaccine can be updated. It would potentially set us back a few months but I wouldn’t write off 2022 if that worst case scenario occurs.

 

[DCBaker]

Numbers are out - there were 127 new reported deaths, along with 6 Non-Florida Resident deaths.

I believe 16,653 is a record number for a single day in Florida.

 

[mellyf]

Just from a personal standpoint I'm not sure it's occurring in schools either. My 6th grader has been attending 2 days a week since September and there still has not been a single student case in her school with just over 400 kids. All instances of kids being required to isolate from the school have been from being in the same class or bus with a teacher, staff member that has tested positive, or outside the school.

At the same time I question if that's even possible or if the long time for results to come back doesn't justify a "brain swab" vs just isolate the required days. Or if the school isn't properly reporting cases.
Back when DD12 was "exposed" on the bus we didn't find out until 8 days later when the results came back. The school policy is 14 days from last exposure so they said she only had 6 days she had to stay home. Or take her for testing and she could be back in as little as 5 days. It didn't make sense since she had no symptoms and testing is a pain to even get in for.

In more than one district around me, when there has been an exposure, parents are often encouraged just to have their child isolate for the requisite number of days rather than get tested. The cynic in me suspects a numbers game...actual positive cases look lower.

I read a tweet a week or so ago (obviously this was anecdotal) from an ER Dr who has treated many Covid patients, both adults and children, and made the comment that schools have *always* been germ spreaders, and yet we're told that suddenly with this virus, the germs are no longer being spread in schools. That said, I've been very impressed with how great my students have done w/ keeping masks on. Hopefully masks (and the attempts at social distancing by children) are effective.

 

[correcaminos]

A 92% approval rating is pretty close to unified. It’s all history now anyway, my only point is we should see at least 80% of the people heavily supporting the vaccine. Even if you fall in the 20% and you don’t want to get it yourself you should still heavily support others to do it, if we get enough people on board we can still get out of the pandemic even without that 20%.

I wasn't trying to be contrary sorry, but agreeing that we are doing well with this. My apologies I see how it was read the way you did. My background just made me feel still rather ununified at the time. I am shocked the rating was that high tbh but the point meant to be 20% no is still excellent. I'd love it higher but way better than a month or two ago even. I do thank all the politicians who have made a show of getting the vaccine, all the medical professionals etc. It helps every day to bring up trust.

Now if we could just distribute more effectively.

 

[Miss Bella]

I didn't say it was fake news - just that I would trust a survey done by one group more than another. I agree that there are a lot of nurses who seem to be not necessarily against the vaccine, but are hesitant because it is new. Right now this isn't a major problem because many are not in a position to get it anyway, along with the general population who they contact. Better to let those who are ready, willing and able go ahead of you instead of holding up the line.

It may be a problem as time goes by and more people have access to the vaccine, or have safely received it, and too many still refuse to get it.

In all fairness I did post more articles from other parts of the country. I could keep posting them, but most people know how to use google. I posted them because I was getting tired of the anti-vaxxer nonsense.

 

[DCBaker]

Current vaccine report for Florida -