Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[GoofGoof]

It was developed and approved in rapid fashion - faster than anything we've seen before. No one knows the long-term effects of the vaccine. Drugs once deemed safe have later been found to cause problems - and that's under typical conditions. That's to say nothing of the political skepticism that has cast doubt on the process. I don't pay that much mind, but plenty of people do.

I'm getting my shot as soon as I'm able (I'm pretty much at the end of the line though). I'm not overly concerned and I really see no alternative if we ever want out of this mess. But I also understand why any of the above would make people hesitant.

Vaccines and drugs are 2 different things. Many drugs approved for treatment end up having long term health issues because of repeatedly using them. Taking a pill daily for 2 years turns out to kill your liver, that kind of stuff. These can happen over time as opposed to immediately. The vast majority of severe adverse reactions to vaccines happen within a few months and most are in the same day. I am not aware of a vaccine that has shown to have long term impacts to someone that developed years after being vaccinated. Not saying it doesn't happen or can’t happen just that if it has happened in the past it was very rare.

Could the vaccine have long term effects? Yes, it’s possible. Does Covid have long term effects besides the obvious one - death? Yes, it’s also possible (likely?). Risk vs reward.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Honestly... if indoor dining isn’t safe, it shouldn’t be allowed anyways. It’s like arguing that we should still burn coal to keep the coal miners working when there are much better energy sources available. (RIP Universe of Energy).

 

[GoofGoof]

How are they supposed to stay open if people aren't allowed to dine there? Takeout is not a total solution because they still have the overhead of a dining room. Also, many restaurants don't lend themselves to takeout because the food is much better eaten right after it is prepared and for the higher end restaurants a big part of the cost is the dining experience. A $50 steak doesn't taste that much different than a $20 steak but the dining experience is much different where you pay $50.

Many hot foods do not survive takeout or delivery with the same flavor and texture as when it is fresh. French fries get soggy, etc. Chinese food by and large tastes as good with takeout or delivery. Pizza is OK but I find that I usually have to re-warm it for the best taste.

My favorite higher end steak house was doing a package where they give you the raw steak and sides and also give you cooking instructions to make it at home. They were selling pretty well for Christmas and NYE . Still nowhere near what they would have made without a pandemic, but I’m hoping it’s enough to stay in business. They were doing signature drinks too.

 

[Miss Bella]

It was developed and approved in rapid fashion - faster than anything we've seen before. No one knows the long-term effects of the vaccine. Drugs once deemed safe have later been found to cause problems - and that's under typical conditions. That's to say nothing of the political skepticism that has cast doubt on the process. I don't pay that much mind, but plenty of people do.

I'm getting my shot as soon as I'm able (I'm pretty much at the end of the line though). I'm not overly concerned and I really see no alternative if we ever want out of this mess. But I also understand why any of the above would make people hesitant.

This is why it it not being mandated. There are too many unknowns at this point. I don't think hospitals want the liability.

 

[SamusAranX]

 

[GoofGoof]

Honestly... if indoor dining isn’t safe, it shouldn’t be allowed anyways. It’s like arguing that we should still burn coal to keep the coal miners working when there are much better energy sources available. (RIP Universe of Energy).

I work in the power industry so I’ve seen it first hand. A coal burning power plant employees about 5X as many people as one that burns natural gas so when a plant is converted it impacts the coal miners, the railroad workers and the guys at the plant. Lots of jobs lost.

 

[correcaminos]

Reactions to the vaccine and if it’s effective. I’ve had Covid blowing in my face for 10 months now. I don’t have an sense of urgency to try a new vaccine. I’m not high risk. I also don’t want to be out of work right now. They have already told us we will not get paid if we have an reaction and miss work.
Like I said I can’t speak for all healthcare workers some are getting it now and some are choosing to wait. Their reasons vary.

You can bash me all you want but my give a crap what anyone on here thinks bone broke after about the third day.

Why do you think you'll miss work? The chances of severe reaction is super low. A sore arm 2 days is not enough for most to miss work. Schedule it for a Friday/day before scheduled time off if super worried.

The only health care workers I know are waiting already had covid and need to figure out any ramifications with treatments and such.

 

[Miss Bella]

Why do you think you'll miss work? The chances of severe reaction is super low. A sore arm 2 days is not enough for most to miss work. Schedule it for a Friday if super worried.

The only health care workers I know are waiting already had covid and need to figure out any ramifications with treatments and such.

The chances of me getting Covid are really low too. Chances are I'm already immune. Thanks for your concern, but I'll wait.

 

[GoofGoof]

This is why it it not being mandated. There are too many unknowns at this point. I don't think hospitals want the liability.

Nobody should mandate a vaccine that is only approved for emergency use. I don’t even think that’s legal or can certainly be challenged.

 

[GoofGoof]

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You get multiple laughing emoji for that.

 

[wdwmagic]

Shoudn't need to be said, but anyone using the reactions in an inappropriate way will have the ability to use them removed. Several members already have come under those restrictions.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

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Not only that.. I remember enjoying them!
Salisbury steak.. mashed potatoes.. corn and a little peach cobbler. Remember it like it was yesterday.

 

[Miss Bella]

Nobody should mandate a vaccine that is only approved for emergency use. I don’t even think that’s legal or can certainly be challenged.

I agree with you, but I think that's going to be a big issue in the world down the road. People should be careful what they wish for as far as government mandates. It's a slippery slope that is for sure, probably not appropriate for this forum.

 

[GoofGoof]

Not only that.. I remember enjoying them!
Salisbury steak.. mashed potatoes.. corn and a little peach cobbler. Remember it like it was yesterday.

Life was so much simpler when frozen Ellios pizza on Friday was a huge treat

 

[Miss Bella]

My posts were not removed.


Unless you are a hermit, they are not low. I'm honestly not concerned about you specifically but those who cannot get the vaccine and need all to comply. I did this trial to save all lives. Think about your choices and how they affect beyond you.

My choice right now is to keep doing what I've been doing the last 10 months. I've certainly helped many people and I haven't harmed anyone.

 

[GoofGoof]

I agree with you, but I think that's going to be a big issue in the world down the road. People should be careful what they wish for as far as government mandates. It's a slippery slope that is for sure, probably not appropriate for this forum.

I don’t see a vaccine mandate for all Americans even after full approval. I could see certain private businesses and probably schools mandate it. Things like cruises and certain international flights could require it as well as possibly certain businesses like factories or hospitals or even WDW could mandate for workers. I assume there will be exceptions established just like current vaccine mandates. I don’t see it being a huge deal for most people.

 

[lazyboy97o]

No one is saying to change their whole business model. It’s adapting to a threat to their business.

Honestly, if they werent prepared to adapt to any type of threat to their business, then how much longer were they going to last anyway, COVID or not?

I made this as a flippant remark in one of the Disneyland threads but it is true, most small businesses fail. Funny how that is an awful thing to say according to people saying “They were going to die soon anyway.”

It was developed and approved in rapid fashion - faster than anything we've seen before. No one knows the long-term effects of the vaccine. Drugs once deemed safe have later been found to cause problems - and that's under typical conditions. That's to say nothing of the political skepticism that has cast doubt on the process. I don't pay that much mind, but plenty of people do.

I'm getting my shot as soon as I'm able (I'm pretty much at the end of the line though). I'm not overly concerned and I really see no alternative if we ever want out of this mess. But I also understand why any of the above would make people hesitant.

It’s not reasonable because no part of the development related to safety was rushed or shortened. Long-term effects are essentially an anti-vaxxer talking point. The technology behind the vaccines was already in development. Trials were able to determine efficacy quickly because the disease is so widespread. The big speed-up was the starting of mass manufacturing before trials completed.

 

[GoofGoof]

I made this as a flippant remark in one of the Disneyland threads but it is true, most small businesses fail. Funny how that is an awful thing to say according to people saying “They were going to die soon anyway.”

The fact is 1/3 of small businesses fail within the first year and 50% within 5 years. Restaurants are among the most volatile small businesses to open due to the fluctuations in the economy in general as well as people’s change in taste. Often when the economy constricts eating out is one of the first things people pull back on which makes restaurants more susceptible to economic downturns.

All that being said this pandemic is an extreme strain on restaurants and bars. Some will survive, some won’t. For the ones that close for good they will eventually be replaced by a new restaurant in most cases but It will likely take years to fully recover.

 

[Flugell]

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Unfortunately making a living IS a life necessity for the people who own those businesses and work there.

Nobody would disagree with people who own or work in businesses having the necessity and right to earn a living to avoid cataclysmic consequences for themselves and their families. However I (my opinion) believe that they should not necessarily be open but supported, adequately and significantly, by the government.
The recommendations, as far as I can tell from the U.K., vary across different states but the consensus from the scientists is that either businesses should be completely closed or open with limitations. Whilst there is inadequate financial support businesses will understandably push or ignore recommendations in order to survive and provide employment. The risks from such behaviour are easy to imagine. If a business owner or employee tests positive are they currently in a position to remain off work and isolate as is recommended? What are the consequences if they remain open, even without the infected person? I would guess more infections would follow leading to more potential hospitalisations and sadly the likelihood of more deaths.
Businesses can and should be supported. If necessary businesses can be adapted or replaced. Some people will struggle with the consequences of long Covid-19.
Dead people unfortunately remain dead.

But we have vaccines marching across the horizon, we understand much more about the virus and how to treat it. Support the people who are struggling and hopefully it will be over sooner and we can all meet at WDW and share a well deserved drink! Stay safe, everyone! Happiest of New Years to you all.

 

[Parker in NYC]

I’m not an anti-vaxer. I really don’t need another label added to my list of labels I’ve received on this forum.

For the record, I'll gladly take the label of COVID fearmonger from here on out. I mean, I'm sure you've thought this for months -- so the receipt is in the mail.