Because this is a job that the federal government is uniquely positioned to carry out. It just decided not to do it then wrapped itself in federalism as an excuse....
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Disney Experience
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What should the federal government be responsible for?
1. Helping through the powers it has (DPA, etc.) to get supply chain problems resolved? Yes. Though privately held companies can decline giving the government the visibility into the supply chain if they are not entangled with federal funds. (Example: Pfizer). Should the government force them to divulge their business process?
2. Helping the interstate transport of supplies and final product? Yes.
3. Help getting the word out to the public on vaccination? Yes
4. Help inform states on their part in the process? Yes
5. Provide protocols and frameworks? Yes.
6. Force states to strictly adhere to the protocols and frameworks? No.
Command economies fail, and we are a union of states, who reserve powers and rights granted to them by the public. Allowing local decisions, responsibilities, and accountability can serve to make a more effective outcome. Rural Alaska is not Disneyworld, or Brooklyn, NY. Each have their unique strengths and problems, which are more apparent to local powers than the national ones. If a state or locality fail, should we as people help in order to save lives? Yes.
The government has done work such as operation Warp Speed. If there are faults in the execution, then debriefing, acknowledging and correcting those issues is a healthy response for the federal government. But states cannot lie down and say the federal government is responsible for everything in our state, we do not have to do anything. That would be irresponsible, and I do not think any reasonable state government would do that. States do customize the protocols and frameworks developed by the federal government (Such as CDC) for their unique local priorities. That is being responsible.
A clear line of responsibility is the delivery of the vaccine to the states as coordinated through the federal government. If they have failed at getting those vaccines to the states, that is a fault in the federal government. While if the states fail to set and enforce vaccine priorities, or local distribution and storage, that would be their fault. If we as public do not get vaccinated when it is available to us, that would be our fault.
Just a not-so-friendly reminder that these are a few reasons why my loved ones, friends, and family (see, not all family and friends are 'loved ones') have all made our own collective decision that we shouldn't be meeting up just yet, Can't wait to see these swept away as invalid concerns. Fearmongering. Yet again. And again...and again...and again. Rare/won't happen to all/nothing to see here.
Remember when everyone called it a NOVEL virus? Yeah, it means something -- maybe look it up.
"COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, can cause lung complications such as pneumonia and, in the most severe cases, acute respiratory distress syndrome, or ARDS. Sepsis, another possible complication of COVID-19, can also cause lasting harm to the lungs and other organs."
www.hopkinsmedicine.org
"Most had no history of mental illness and became psychotic weeks after contracting the virus. Cases are expected to remain rare but are being reported worldwide."
www.nytimes.com
"Even people who were never sick enough to go to a hospital, much less lie in an ICU bed with a ventilator, report feeling something as ill-defined as “Covid fog” or as frightening as numbed limbs. They’re unable to carry on with their lives, exhausted by crossing the street, fumbling for words, or laid low by depression, anxiety, or PTSD."
www.statnews.com
Remember when everyone called it a NOVEL virus? Yeah, it means something -- maybe look it up.
"COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, can cause lung complications such as pneumonia and, in the most severe cases, acute respiratory distress syndrome, or ARDS. Sepsis, another possible complication of COVID-19, can also cause lasting harm to the lungs and other organs."
COVID-19
COVID-19 is the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that emerged in December 2019. Learn about symptoms, diagnosis, treatment and prevention.
"Most had no history of mental illness and became psychotic weeks after contracting the virus. Cases are expected to remain rare but are being reported worldwide."
Small Number of Covid Patients Develop Severe Psychotic Symptoms (Published 2020)
Most had no history of mental illness and became psychotic weeks after contracting the virus. Cases are expected to remain rare but are being reported worldwide.
"Even people who were never sick enough to go to a hospital, much less lie in an ICU bed with a ventilator, report feeling something as ill-defined as “Covid fog” or as frightening as numbed limbs. They’re unable to carry on with their lives, exhausted by crossing the street, fumbling for words, or laid low by depression, anxiety, or PTSD."
Long after the fire of a Covid-19 infection, mental and neurological effects can still smolder
Early on, patients with both mild and severe Covid-19 say they can’t breathe. Now, after recovering from the infection, some of them say they can’t think.
www.statnews.com
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easyrowrdw
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Holy cow. I hadn't seen the psychosis stuff. That crap is just scary.Just a not-so-friendly reminder that these are a few reasons why my loved ones, friends, and family (see, not all family and friends are 'loved ones') have all made our own collective decision that we shouldn't be meeting up just yet, Can't wait to see these swept away as invalid concerns. Yet again. And again...and again...and again. Rare/won't happen to all/nothing to see here.
Remember when everyone called it a NOVEL virus? Yeah, it means something -- maybe look it up.
"COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, can cause lung complications such as pneumonia and, in the most severe cases, acute respiratory distress syndrome, or ARDS. Sepsis, another possible complication of COVID-19, can also cause lasting harm to the lungs and other organs."
COVID-19
COVID-19 is the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that emerged in December 2019. Learn about symptoms, diagnosis, treatment and prevention.
"Most had no history of mental illness and became psychotic weeks after contracting the virus. Cases are expected to remain rare but are being reported worldwide."
Small Number of Covid Patients Develop Severe Psychotic Symptoms (Published 2020)
Most had no history of mental illness and became psychotic weeks after contracting the virus. Cases are expected to remain rare but are being reported worldwide.
"Even people who were never sick enough to go to a hospital, much less lie in an ICU bed with a ventilator, report feeling something as ill-defined as “Covid fog” or as frightening as numbed limbs. They’re unable to carry on with their lives, exhausted by crossing the street, fumbling for words, or laid low by depression, anxiety, or PTSD."
Long after the fire of a Covid-19 infection, mental and neurological effects can still smolder
Early on, patients with both mild and severe Covid-19 say they can’t breathe. Now, after recovering from the infection, some of them say they can’t think.
Thank you for sharing.
Disney Experience
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Yes sometimes people say that a risk that is small is a risk that may be ignored. Or they just say I do not know of anyone that had an issue, so the issue does not warrant any action on my part to prevent.Just a not-so-friendly reminder that these are a few reasons why my loved ones, friends, and family (see, not all family and friends are 'loved ones') have all made our own collective decision that we shouldn't be meeting up just yet, Can't wait to see these swept away as invalid concerns. Yet again. And again...and again...and again. Rare/won't happen to all/nothing to see here.
Remember when everyone called it a NOVEL virus? Yeah, it means something -- maybe look it up.
"COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus, can cause lung complications such as pneumonia and, in the most severe cases, acute respiratory distress syndrome, or ARDS. Sepsis, another possible complication of COVID-19, can also cause lasting harm to the lungs and other organs."
COVID-19
COVID-19 is the disease caused by SARS-CoV-2, the coronavirus that emerged in December 2019. Learn about symptoms, diagnosis, treatment and prevention.
"Most had no history of mental illness and became psychotic weeks after contracting the virus. Cases are expected to remain rare but are being reported worldwide."
Small Number of Covid Patients Develop Severe Psychotic Symptoms (Published 2020)
Most had no history of mental illness and became psychotic weeks after contracting the virus. Cases are expected to remain rare but are being reported worldwide.
"Even people who were never sick enough to go to a hospital, much less lie in an ICU bed with a ventilator, report feeling something as ill-defined as “Covid fog” or as frightening as numbed limbs. They’re unable to carry on with their lives, exhausted by crossing the street, fumbling for words, or laid low by depression, anxiety, or PTSD."
Long after the fire of a Covid-19 infection, mental and neurological effects can still smolder
Early on, patients with both mild and severe Covid-19 say they can’t breathe. Now, after recovering from the infection, some of them say they can’t think.
Poliomyelitis is almost non-existent in the world now (Few hundred cases a year WW). But nowadays most people(non medical) would probably think that if you got it (Polio virus) you would end up paralyzed , while with Covid if you got it, you probably will survive with no known long term damage.
Well that is not what happened with Polio(Poliomyelitis):
Notice the number of asymptotic cases and how many that have symptoms recover? So one could say "Most people recover.", but that is a lame reason to not do what one can to prevent the even "rare" bad outcomes whether Polio or Coronovirus, or some other disease. As long as the cure is not worse than the disease. Polio is used as an example. Unless you are in Afghanistan or Pakistan, the vaccines for Polio have eliminated the threat in most of the world.
Yes sometimes people say that a risk that is small is a risk that may be ignored. Or they just say I do not know of anyone that had an issue, so the issue does not warrant any action on my part to prevent.
Poliomyelitis is almost non-existent in the world now (Few hundred cases a year WW). But nowadays most people(non medical) would probably think that if you got it you were paralyzed , while with Covid if you got it, you probably will survive with no known long term damage.
Well that is not what happened with Polio(Poliomyelitis):
Notice the number of asymptotic cases and how many that have symptoms recover? So one could say "Most people recover.", but that is a lame reason to not do what one can to prevent the even "rare" bad outcomes whether Polio or Coronovirus, or some other disease. As long as the cure is not worse than the disease.
It's like I've been saying for the last month or so (once I started seeing more and more about what happens post-recovery, including a Broadway performer friend of mine who pretty much lost his singing voice entirely) that we shouldn't be harping so much on deaths. People die every day, I think people will make of those numbers what they will. You know, at least when you're dead, you're dead.
But living with what the virus could do to you in the long run? That is much more concerning to me. That's what should be discussed more often. Stats don't move the needle on public opinion. Look where we are now, for God's sake. I'm so, so relieved that vaccinations are underway but that doesn't mean the whole thing is suddenly over.
GoofGoof
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Data dump issue? I know things have been screwy with Christmas but that can’t be right can it?
correcaminos
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@Tink242424 what is wrong with you? Laughing about my aunt dying and why I couldn't go to my aunt's burial? That's just a level I never expected here.
Disney Experience
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On the lack of vaccinations reported, unless there is a giant lag in reporting (unlikely and in itself would be a problem) having only delivered 11 million out of 20 million is a question of Corporate (Pfizer, and to a lesser degree Moderna ) and Federal failure to get the vaccines delivered. The state and localities need to explain why the administration of most of the vaccines that have been delivered has not happened. Right now I do not see a lack of demand by the public being an issue, so why has the vaccines not been given until the shipped quantity is used up? (Just a data error? Not enough staffing? Paperwork issues? (As was the case for nursing homes in NJ)). If what has been delivered has not been used, think how little the delivery of more vaccine would increase the administration of the vaccine.
Federal, state and local have had enough time and warning to make the deployment of this vaccine better than the early number are showing. Let's hope the pace picks up soon.
You would think that the planners for vaccination at all levels would at least determine their capability to provide administration before EUA . It would be like Disney designing a ride and never considering Ride Capacity and how to manage it.
Federal, state and local have had enough time and warning to make the deployment of this vaccine better than the early number are showing. Let's hope the pace picks up soon.
You would think that the planners for vaccination at all levels would at least determine their capability to provide administration before EUA . It would be like Disney designing a ride and never considering Ride Capacity and how to manage it.
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SamusAranX
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I mean they did warn us for a week ahead of the holidays not to put much stock in the numbers with the site closures, etc.
JoeCamel
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I think it is staffing. In my county they are going to set up vac sites like the testing sites and start with 65+ next week. That should burn through a bunch of vaccine with good photo ops to show the demand. Don't really know how they will do an observation period though, maybe just drive away and hope for the best? Florida y'all
GoofGoof
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Yeah, that explains why testing is so down for 4 straight days, it’s the almost 12K positive cases today with so few tests that I’m questioning. If the true percent positive is 22.75% and there wasn’t a dump of positives then when testing goes back up to normal levels (more than double what we have seen in the last 4 days) we would be seeing 25K+ cases a day. I hope that‘s not the case.
Disney Experience
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GoofGoof
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I agree. I think once the criteria opens up it’s going to go faster. Right now it’s specific hospitals and mobile vaccine clinics at nursing homes. When thousands can show up at CVS or Walgreens to get it they should in theory burn through inventory faster. I also think some is held back for second shots.
"As frustration over the pace of the Covid-19 vaccine rollout continues to build, health officials in Colorado on Tuesday reported the first known U.S. case of the variant of Covid-19 discovered in the U.K.
The U.K. variant appears to be more transmissible than other variants of the virus seen to date, and has been detected in a number of countries worldwide.The Colorado case, who is currently in isolation, is a man in his 20s who has not left the country. The lack of a travel history means he contracted the virus in the U.S., suggesting undetected transmission of the new variant here."
www.statnews.com
The U.K. variant appears to be more transmissible than other variants of the virus seen to date, and has been detected in a number of countries worldwide.The Colorado case, who is currently in isolation, is a man in his 20s who has not left the country. The lack of a travel history means he contracted the virus in the U.S., suggesting undetected transmission of the new variant here."
Frustration over vaccine rollout builds, as new variant reported in U.S. for first time
“This will take more time than anyone would like and more time than the promises from the Trump administration have suggested,” President-elect Joe Biden said.
www.statnews.com
Hold my beer as I go find 100 examples (minimum) of the poster's behavior. Pretty sure that laughter at the horror you're going through is cause enough for a ban. But that's a pipe dream.
Once again, folks have to press forward as if there is NO vaccine on the horizon until they are vaccinated."As frustration over the pace of the Covid-19 vaccine rollout continues to build, health officials in Colorado on Tuesday reported the first known U.S. case of the variant of Covid-19 discovered in the U.K.
The U.K. variant appears to be more transmissible than other variants of the virus seen to date, and has been detected in a number of countries worldwide.The Colorado case, who is currently in isolation, is a man in his 20s who has not left the country. The lack of a travel history means he contracted the virus in the U.S., suggesting undetected transmission of the new variant here."
Frustration over vaccine rollout builds, as new variant reported in U.S. for first time
“This will take more time than anyone would like and more time than the promises from the Trump administration have suggested,” President-elect Joe Biden said.
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