Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The data points right to Sturgis.

Because it was a display in mass stupidity in a state run by the only governor in the completion with desantis for the “policy maker of the year” award

 

[Jrb1979]

So the smart, experienced people were right? And the unqualified, stupido cult governors were not?

If Vegas was open back then...I could have become very rich on that bet.

Just to add to that. What also is not helping is the amount of conspiracy theorists out there that keep spewing their rehtoric that this was all a plan and they are coming to take control of us.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

People believe what they want to believe. Go back in this thread and you will see the theory being pushed over the summer was that there would be no second wave because once an area is hit hard then the virus fizzles out. A few people even tried to claim we hit herd immunity in NYC and the Northeast and that’s why cases were down over the summer. Mostly this was just wishful thinking and a desire to discredit Covid restrictions.

I’ll edit this for you:

People are selfish...and make excuses all over the place to try to hide the cause.

See? Nice and concise

 

[Jrb1979]

I’ll edit this for you:

People are selfish...and make excuses all over the place to try to hide the cause.

See? Nice and concise

I'm still hung on why people find this so hard. Outside of not traveling much this year I've done everything I have did before. Just now I have to sometimes wait to get into a store and wear a mask. I still go out to eat a couple of times a month and visit my family like I always have. The only other big change is no large family gatherings. We have kept it small.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Just to add to that. What also is not helping is the amount of conspiracy theorists out there that keep spewing their rehtoric that this was all a plan and they are coming to take control of us.

Shhh, be quiet and I'll let you in on the Big Government Secret (having been a government employee for the first two decades of my adult life)... if the Federal Government actually could act as a unified mind, here's what it really wants... it wants tax revenue and it wants to make sure the rules it sets are followed. But mostly, its wants tax revenue. Most bureaucrats probably couldn't give less of a flip what most people do beyond that. This whole COVID thing kind of gets in the way of that tax revenue goal.

 

[kong1802]

People believe what they want to believe. Go back in this thread and you will see the theory being pushed over the summer was that there would be no second wave because once an area is hit hard then the virus fizzles out. A few people even tried to claim we hit herd immunity in NYC and the Northeast and that’s why cases were down over the summer. Mostly this was just wishful thinking and a desire to discredit Covid restrictions.

Oh, I remember some of our former "optimists"........

 

[Heppenheimer]

Oh, I remember some of our former "optimists"........

I admit, back in February and as late as March, I was one of them. The counter-evidence, though, soon became too overwhelming to ignore.

The optimists are gone, but we occasionally still have a denier, a herd immunologist, a whataboutist, or an extreme libertarian.

At least increasingly few seem to be buying what that tacky Condo Salesman-In-Chief is still selling.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Shhh, be quiet and I'll let you in on the Big Government Secret (having been a government employee for the first two decades of my adult life)... if the Federal Government actually could act as a unified mind, here's what it actually wants... it wants tax revenue and it wants to make sure the rules it sets are followed. But mostly, its wants tax revenue. Most bureaucrats probably couldn't give less of a flip what most people do beyond that. This whole COVID thing kind of gets in the way of that tax revenue goal.

The most stupid...and the list is long, but distinguished...element of this whole “argument” in the US is the theory that any governments DON’T want full business to be open...

Of course they do...that’s how they make their revenue and and butter their bread...just like the private sector.

People that claim otherwise have obviously ZERO experience or knowledge in governments and their “opinion” has zero value

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I admit, back in February and as late as March, I was one of them. The counter-evidence, though, soon became too overwhelming to ignore.

The optimists are gone, but we occasionally still have a denier, a herd immunologist, a whataboutist, or an extreme libertarian.

At least increasingly few seem to be buying what that tacky Condo Salesman-In-Chief is still selling.

I thought it would be MUCH better managed than it has. I had faith some in adult minds...and I knew better.

Florida is entirely dependent on tourism...and they will end up bombing two years minimum and Maybe altering some of that industry permanently.

I’ll leave it at that.

 

[Patcheslee]

I'm still hung on why people find this so hard. Outside of not traveling much this year I've done everything I have did before. Just now I have to sometimes wait to get into a store and wear a mask. I still go out to eat a couple of times a month and visit my family like I always have. The only other big change is no large family gatherings. We have kept it small.

Think my major annoyance is we haven't gotten to visit family since March because too many are high risk. Maybe once a month my mom will bring my step-dad by everyone in masks, still in vehicle and speak through a cracked window for 5 or 10 minutes.
Besides that it's the lack of cafeteria, water dispensers, or coffee machines at work since then. I've lost 10 freaking pounds I don't need to because carrying food in is even limited.

 

[Jenny72]

I'm struggling against a sense of despair for our country. How did we get to this point? There is an elected official in Michigan who is arguing that Covid was created to be a form of mind control. The virus affects the brain and allows democrats to sway people to falsely believe that Biden won the election.

It's so absurd that I can't imagine anyone really believes it, but it doesn't seem to matter. Nothing matters except anger, particularly at experts and therefore "libs." No fact, no expertise, no statistic, no experience makes any difference. I used to think that when people lost family members to Covid, or when we hit a large number of deaths, something would change, but that was wrong. It's similar to people saying that Trump could shoot someone on 5th Avenue. Nothing matters.

If you want to know what history will think of this moment, it's that.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I'm struggling against a sense of despair for our country. How did we get to this point? There is an elected official in Michigan who is arguing that Covid was created to be a form of mind control. The virus affects the brain and allows democrats to sway people to falsely believe that Biden won the election.

It's so absurd that I can't imagine anyone really believes it, but it doesn't seem to matter. Nothing matters except anger, particularly at experts and therefore "libs." No fact, no expertise, no statistic, no experience makes any difference. I used to think that when people lost family members to Covid, or when we hit a large number of deaths, something would change, but that was wrong. It's similar to people saying that Trump could shoot someone on 5th Avenue. Nothing matters.

If you want to know what history will think of this moment, it's that.

Well...I can give you the root causes in about 5 words or less...

...but this isn’t meet the press, so in another time and place perhaps?

 

[mmascari]

I don’t understand it. Military branches have implemented strict COVID protocols

This one is simple, compare forward isolated green zone bases to more open community bases. The vast majority of bases aren't sealed away and isolated from the surrounding community. The article mentions Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, a mere 12 miles from the Las Vegas strip and simply part of the community. Hopkins shows Nevada with a 13% positivity and rising. Which just means there's uncontrolled community spread, we don't know where it is within Nevada, and we're not doing enough test/trace/test cycles to identify an isolate the infection. People working at the base have family and connections within the community. They participate in activities off the base. Just like the hospital staff that's picking up infections in the community, even if the procedures on base are minimizing exposure, they're picking it up in the community.

Its nice we spaced out our holidays so nicely, hope the spring dearth of celebrations helps.

Valentine's day, take your loved out out for a fancy COVID dinner.
St Patrick's day, off the pub for a pint and some singing.
Easter, yup we're going to be back to Easter again.

 

[Heppenheimer]

This one is simple, compare forward isolated green zone bases to more open community bases. The vast majority of bases aren't sealed away and isolated from the surrounding community. The article mentions Nellis Air Force Base in Nevada, a mere 12 miles from the Las Vegas strip and simply part of the community. Hopkins shows Nevada with a 13% positivity and rising. Which just means there's uncontrolled community spread, we don't know where it is within Nevada, and we're not doing enough test/trace/test cycles to identify an isolate the infection. People working at the base have family and connections within the community. They participate in activities off the base. Just like the hospital staff that's picking up infections in the community, even if the procedures on base are minimizing exposure, they're picking it up in the community.

Exactly. You couldn't lock down a military base even if you wanted to, because a large percentage of the service members and their families don't live on post, and there wouldn't be room to house them all if they were suddenly forced to stay on base.

Even when I was stationed in Europe, I lived in the surrounding German and Belgian communities, not on the actual bases.

 

[mmascari]

Shhh, be quiet and I'll let you in on the Big Government Secret (having been a government employee for the first two decades of my adult life)... if the Federal Government actually could act as a unified mind, here's what it actually wants... it wants tax revenue and it wants to make sure the rules it sets are followed. But mostly, its wants tax revenue. Most bureaucrats probably couldn't give less of a flip what most people do beyond that. This whole COVID thing kind of gets in the way of that tax revenue goal.

Did you work for the IRS?

Because I know lots of people that work for other agencies like FDA, NIH, FCC, and none of them care about tax revenue beyond knowing the government isn't going to shutdown. The FDA ones particularly are focused on lots of other stuff these days.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Did you work for the IRS?

Because I know lots of people that work for other agencies like FDA, NIH, FCC, and none of them care about tax revenue beyond knowing the government isn't going to shutdown. The FDA ones particularly are focused on lots of other stuff these days.

Whether or not they “care” on the surface doesn’t mean it changes the realities of how the system works.

It’s more apropos on the state level...where revenues are just below the surface on funding and personnel decisions most of the time.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Did you work for the IRS?

Because I know lots of people that work for other agencies like FDA, NIH, FCC, and none of them care about tax revenue beyond knowing the government isn't going to shutdown. The FDA ones particularly are focused on lots of other stuff these days.

Those would fall into the "making sure the rules are followed" side of what the government wants. Well, maybe not the NIH, but even they have their protocols they need to follow.

And no, I don't work for the IRS, and my time in government employ is over.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Oh, I remember some of our former "optimists"........

Whatever happened to them?

 

[Archie123]

I'm struggling against a sense of despair for our country. How did we get to this point? There is an elected official in Michigan who is arguing that Covid was created to be a form of mind control. The virus affects the brain and allows democrats to sway people to falsely believe that Biden won the election.

It's so absurd that I can't imagine anyone really believes it, but it doesn't seem to matter. Nothing matters except anger, particularly at experts and therefore "libs." No fact, no expertise, no statistic, no experience makes any difference. I used to think that when people lost family members to Covid, or when we hit a large number of deaths, something would change, but that was wrong. It's similar to people saying that Trump could shoot someone on 5th Avenue. Nothing matters.

If you want to know what history will think of this moment, it's that.

I think you know how we got here.

 

[Figgy1]

Got the email notice from DD12s school: all grades in the district go full time virtual beginning Nov 30th vs 2 days a week in person 6th grade and up(we are on break next week). Announcement how long won't be made till Dec 3rd.
I'm gonna have to find a Disney surprise to cheer her up.

Good luck to both of you