Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[seascape]

Glad you are recovering. But if you started experiencing symptoms on Nov 4th and tested positive on Nov 5th, why do you thing you got it on Nov 2nd? While some people can develop symptoms that fast, the average is 5-6 days, and there's a reason they say people should wait 5 days after exposure before testing. I'd be looking more at what you did around Halloween, because it seems like your train precautions were intense (but if you were infected earlier, then you did good to protect other people because you could have been symptomatic.)

EDIT: Sometimes I wonder if the people think they did everything right, fully account for everything they do. Like, "I never leave my house." Except, they are taking out the trash, getting the mail, walking their dog. If someone lives in an apartment, then you do cross paths with people more than you might think. While surface transmission is rarer, there was still Chinese guy who sneezed into his hand, touched an elevator button, and then the next guy touched his face.

The reason I believe I caught it on November 2, 2 days prior to systems is based on what I was told by the doctor giving the test. Since I never left my home on Saturday and Sunday with the exception of a car drive, no shopping, the Doctor believed Monday was the day. On top of that when the Monmouth Country health department followed up on my test, they came to the same conclusion. Plus we did nothing on Halloween, very heart breaking for someone who love to decorate and give out tons of candy every Halloween.

 

[BuddyThomas]

I haven't read this entire thread, so I'm sorry if this has already been addressed, but but for those who have been there, have you felt safe? Are people complying with masks indoors and outdoors? Thanks in advance.

 

[DisneyDebRob]

Both. People are emboldened to act like it's over, though I couldn't guess where they'd get that idea.

I bet you could.

 

[DCBaker]

 

[lazyboy97o]

“This is normal.”
”It’s not a big deal.”
”The numbers look good.”
”There’s still some capacity.”

 

[danlb_2000]

Yes, wear a mask. But that alone will not provide 100% pertection. If you are interested you should read my post in the political forum covid page and see the extreme steps I took to avoid it and yet as my wife keeps telling me, I made a mistake somewhere.

I read your description and don't think you made any "mistakes", you were as careful as you could have been in those situations, but you mention three types of public transportation, and being at WTC which I assume is still relatively busy. Even with a mask, you are going to be at risk in enclosed public spaces like that. It definitly seems you did everything you can to protect yourself from surface contact infection, but you are much more at risk from what is in the air which you have less control over. Glad you are doing better!

 

[danlb_2000]

Avg last 7 days = 7,093.
Avg Previous 7 days = 5,064
PositIves up 40% week over week
Percent positive hasn’t been below 7.5%

Not quite July yet, but not trending great. Stay safe everyone.

Seven day rolling average is definitly tending up...

 

[GoofGoof]

I haven't read this entire thread, so I'm sorry if this has already been addressed, but but for those who have been there, have you felt safe? Are people complying with masks indoors and outdoors? Thanks in advance.

We’re not telling you...you have to read the whole thread I’ll give you a hint, the answer is between pages 1,476 and 1,934

I haven’t been there myself so I can’t comment on feeling safe, but I’ve seen overwhelming positive reviews on mask compliance and enforcement of safety protocols.

 

[danlb_2000]

Last month I posted I hoped the US wouldn’t go through what Europe was and is currently experiencing. Sadly the news reports say it’s starting. I pray (for want of a better word) your leaders all pull their heads out of the sand and realise what’s going on. Good luck.

I am ready to hunker down for the winter. My company has gone back to full time work from home, my wife is working most days from home, I get groceries delivered, and I have socially distant plans to see relatives at the holidays.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Avg last 7 days = 7,093.
Avg Previous 7 days = 5,064
PositIves up 40% week over week
Percent positive hasn’t been below 7.5%

Not quite July yet, but not trending great. Stay HOME everyone.

FTFY

 

[ParentsOf4]

I haven't read this entire thread, so I'm sorry if this has already been addressed, but but for those who have been there, have you felt safe? Are people complying with masks indoors and outdoors? Thanks in advance.

I have been to WDW 3 times since they reopened, including twice since the theme parks reopened. (The first was an onsite DVC-only stay.)

Please have a look at my trip report, which includes photos from the last 2 trips:

https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/the-“is-it-safe-”-trip-report.970517/

Hopefully, these photos will help answer your question.

In general, I felt safer at WDW than I do at home, where COVID fatigue has set in and mask compliance is dropping.

At WDW, rules are still being enforced, although you occasionally pass the oddball who seems determined to "protest" by pulling their mask below their nose. IMO, WDW's rules (and ability to enforce them) are working:

1. Mandatory masks except when eating or drinking stationary.
2. Temperature checks at theme parks and restaurants.
3. Extra cleaning.
4. Many extra hand sanitizing stations.
5. 6 feet of separation where possible.
6. Capacity limits.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I bet you could.

...winner

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I have been to WDW 3 times since they reopened, including twice since the theme parks reopened. (The first was an onsite DVC-only stay.)

Please have a look at my trip report, which includes photos from the last 2 trips:

https://forums.wdwmagic.com/threads/the-“is-it-safe-”-trip-report.970517/

Hopefully, these photos will help answer your question.

Anything in your tales that will override the general national consensus that it isn’t really a good idea right now?

That’s not sarcastic (but I certainly resemble that remark)...just looking for any angles not previously discussed 5,000 times?

 

[hopemax]

I haven't read this entire thread, so I'm sorry if this has already been addressed, but but for those who have been there, have you felt safe? Are people complying with masks indoors and outdoors? Thanks in advance.

My Dad went to MK yesterday for a shopping trip, so I can’t speak to attraction lines. Mask compliance was still high, but social distancing is way down from his October shopping trip. He said the line at Starbucks was out the door and down toward Town Square and the outside part, people were lined up one after the other with no spacing. When I talked to him he wanted to make his purchases and get out of there. I asked if it felt noticeably more crowded, and he said Yes.

Also, he mentioned his monorail car. He loaded in first, then later they brought a family of 5 with a stroller. One person sat on his side, another person was standing and with the stroller taking up space, he did not feel like he was properly distanced from this other family.

 

[Heppenheimer]

In other news, there were two recent trials that showed some preliminary efficacy in treating COVID-19. A British study found that the rheumatoid arthritis drug tocilizumab prevented progression to intubation in severely ill patients (unclear yet if there is a significant mortality benefit, though).

The other, perhaps more widely applicable study found that the antidepressent fluvoxamine prevented the progression of COVID-19 from mild to severe illness in all who took it compared to the placebo group. This was a small study, but if the results hold up in larger trials, it could be a game-changer, since fluvoxamine is pretty cheap, generally well-tolerated and readily available.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

 

[ParentsOf4]

Anything in your tales that will override the general national consensus that it isn’t really a good idea right now?

That’s not sarcastic (but I certainly resemble that remark)...just looking for any angles not previously discussed 5,000 times?

IMO, guidelines recommended by non-political medical professionals work. (And don't kid yourself, there are medical professionals on both sides of the isle with agendas - scientists are people too. ) The issue is not with these guidelines; it's with people (including sanctimonious governors ) not following them.

As I've posted elsewhere, the advantage at WDW is that, as private property with a large staff augmented by cameras, Disney has the capability to strictly enforce social distancing guidelines, including:

1. Mandatory masks except when eating or drinking stationary.
2. Temperature checks at theme parks and restaurants.
3. Extra cleaning.
4. Many extra hand sanitizing stations.
5. 6 feet of separation where possible.
6. Capacity limits.

As a private company, Disney has a strong financial incentive to take the steps necessary to see that there are no major outbreaks at WDW. This does not mean that no one is getting COVID at WDW, only that Disney has shown that it possible to live much as before, if people would exercise common sense and follow guidelines.

As several other Guests commented to me during my last trip to WDW, they felt safer at WDW than at home.

 

[SamusAranX]

In other news, there were two recent trials that showed some preliminary efficacy in treating COVID-19. A British study found that the rheumatoid arthritis drug tocilizumab prevented progression to intubation in severely ill patients (unclear yet if there is a significant mortality benefit, though).

The other, perhaps more widely applicable study found that the antidepressent fluvoxamine prevented the progression of COVID-19 from mild to severe illness in all who took it compared to the placebo group. This was a small study, but if the results hold up in larger trials, it could be a game-changer, since fluvoxamine is pretty cheap, generally well-tolerated and readily available.

Being as I have limited to no medical knowledge, I gotta ask, how could an antidepressant possibly relieve covid symptoms? Random ingredient?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

IMO, guidelines recommended by non-political medical professionals work. (And don't kid yourself, there are medical professionals on both sides of the isle with agendas - scientists are people too. ) The issue is not with these guidelines; it's with people (including sanctimonious governors ) not following them.

As I've posted elsewhere, the advantage at WDW is that, as private property with a large staff augmented by cameras, Disney has the capability to strictly enforce social distancing guidelines, including:

1. Mandatory masks except when eating or drinking stationary.
2. Temperature checks at theme parks and restaurants.
3. Extra cleaning.
4. Many extra hand sanitizing stations.
5. 6 feet of separation where possible.
6. Capacity limits.

As a private company, Disney has a strong financial incentive to take the steps necessary to see that there are no major outbreaks at WDW. This does not mean that no one is getting COVID at WDW, only that Disney has shown that it possible to live much as before, if people would exercise common sense and follow guidelines.

As several other Guests commented to me during my last trip to WDW, they felt safer at WDW than at home.

That’s good...I like that. Temperature checks don’t have much of a point, however...and I don’t like “where possible”

The one main flaw for me is you’re assuming a staff in the tens of thousands is all “onboard”.

These are essentially minimum wage service jobs where they cross the “border” everyday and then do whatever...including standing in line at 3 am in the Walmart on 192 or John young Parkway. Or even worse...go to bars, gyms and churches.
It is what it is.

One thing I’ve noticed in 2020 is now every Disney emp is highly tuned in, health trained, and completely seasoned to handle this...cause it fits the travel narrative.

Last year...they were overpaid “nothings” that stamps and queen wanted undivided attention from as they held the other end of the chain.

Seasons change. Wdw seems to be doing well...but is it a good idea? Don’t think that’s a Disney specific question in the current state.

 

[Heppenheimer]

Being as I have limited to no medical knowledge, I gotta ask, how could an antidepressant possibly relieve covid symptoms? Random ingredient?

Three theories:

1) It interferes with part of the inflammatory response cascade, and limits platelet aggregation.

2) It interferes with the ability of the virus to bind to traget cells.

3) It interferes with the natural degradation of certain key immune mediators, thus prolonging their anti-viral effects.

Whatever the mechanism, it probably doesn't have any connection to the drug's effect on seratonin in depression.