Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

[Patcheslee]

Got the email notice from DD12s school: all grades in the district go full time virtual beginning Nov 30th vs 2 days a week in person 6th grade and up(we are on break next week). Announcement how long won't be made till Dec 3rd.
I'm gonna have to find a Disney surprise to cheer her up.

 

[SamusAranX]

Man the Midwest is getting hammered

 

[Disstevefan1]

This is an interesting chart. So if I read this correctly the northern middle of the US is spiking?

I would love to see this chart overtime starting in March.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

This is an interesting chart. So if I read this correctly the northern middle of the US is spiking?

I would love to see this chart overtime starting in March.

The data points right to Sturgis.

 

[Disstevefan1]

The data points right to Sturgis.

Yes, Sturgis could have been (one of many) super spreader events all around the US. But I was saying in general it would like to see this map over time.

Putting super spreader events aside, I wonder if regions of the US that had low positivity rates in the early days of the pandemic were lulled into a false sense of security, let their guard down, then the spike happened.

Another possibility is, no matter what we do, this virus simply cycles through regions, almost cycular, peaks and valleys, over and over, numbers decreasing with each cycle until it burns itself out..

 

[GoofGoof]

In their briefing today the CDC has formally recommended people not travel for Thanksgiving and that people should celebrate at home with the people they live with. Here’s a story and the formal recommendation from the CDC:

CDC urges Americans against traveling for Thanksgiving as coronavirus outbreak worsens

The U.S. reported more than 170,100 new cases of the virus on Wednesday, the second-highest one-day spike reported to date, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

www.cnbc.com

COVID-19 and Your Health

Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.

www.cdc.gov

I think this highlights the inconsistent messages still coming from the US government. So the CDC, a federal agency, puts out this recommendation on the same day the official Whitehouse spokesperson blasted those recommendations as “Orwellian“. What a completely dysfunctional administration. It’s heartbreaking to think of how many people will ignore these recommendations because their echo chamber is parroting this nonsense.

 

[GoofGoof]

Yes, Sturgis could have been (one of many) super spreader events all around the US. But I was saying in general it would like to see this map over time.

Putting super spreader events aside, I wonder if regions of the US that had low positivity rates in the early days of the pandemic were lulled into a false sense of security, let their guard down, then the spike happened.

Another possibility is, no matter what we do, this virus simply cycles through regions, almost cycular, peaks and valleys, over and over, numbers decreasing with each cycle until it burns itself out..

I think you are correct that it’s more that the virus spreads in waves with peaks and valleys. Unfortunately I don’t see a lot of evidence that once an area is hit hard it’s done which I know was a popular theory over the summer when the South was spiking but NYC was not. I think it will just repeat over and over until there is a vaccine. I also think that our actions have a direct impact on the peaks dropping. Even in FL where there was a lot of resistance to restrictions, this summer the cases spiked and didn’t start coming down until after there was a pull back on indoor dining and bars. Same with Texas this summer. I don’t think the virus will just do what it wants no matter what. We’ve seen a lot of evidence that’s not true.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

The CDC has taken the warranted step of advising against all travel next week (it’s almost they feel like they’re getting a new boss?)

So to all those on Facebook, Twitter, boards, etc talking it up about “the world” and even SEEKING OUT stranger get togethers...do the right thing.

Or ya may not have “the world” for awhile.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I think you are correct that it’s more that the virus spreads in waves with peaks and valleys. Unfortunately I don’t see a lot of evidence that once an area is hit hard it’s done which I know was a popular theory over the summer when the South was spiking but NYC was not. I think it will just repeat over and over until there is a vaccine. I also think that our actions have a direct impact on the peaks dropping. Even in FL where there was a lot of resistance to restrictions, this summer the cases spiked and didn’t start coming down until after there was a pull back on indoor dining and bars. Same with Texas this summer. I don’t think the virus will just do what it wants no matter what. We’ve seen a lot of evidence that’s not true.

It’s pretty simple: the people who believed the non-expert BS are Now struggling in higher proportions...the ones that had the hardest time first are more prepared - even if they’re cranky and disgruntled and not in the mood for it.

 

[kong1802]

I think you are correct that it’s more that the virus spreads in waves with peaks and valleys. Unfortunately I don’t see a lot of evidence that once an area is hit hard it’s done which I know was a popular theory over the summer when the South was spiking but NYC was not. I think it will just repeat over and over until there is a vaccine. I also think that our actions have a direct impact on the peaks dropping. Even in FL where there was a lot of resistance to restrictions, this summer the cases spiked and didn’t start coming down until after there was a pull back on indoor dining and bars. Same with Texas this summer. I don’t think the virus will just do what it wants no matter what. We’ve seen a lot of evidence that’s not true.

Small anecdotal evidence but I work in Nashville. During the summer we had our temp taken and recorded at the door in the morning and another check at our desks after lunch. Everyone who wasn't at their desk had to be wearing a mask. It was enforced. Slowly that all started changing. In September-October, went down to one temp check. Then none. Late October the mask mandate was relaxed. Look at TN now....Now the office is mostly remote again. I have a feeling this relaxed attitude happened in more than one office.

 

[oceanbreeze77]

In their briefing today the CDC has formally recommended people not travel for Thanksgiving and that people should celebrate at home with the people they live with. Here’s a story and the formal recommendation from the CDC:

CDC urges Americans against traveling for Thanksgiving as coronavirus outbreak worsens

The U.S. reported more than 170,100 new cases of the virus on Wednesday, the second-highest one-day spike reported to date, according to data compiled by Johns Hopkins University.

www.cnbc.com

COVID-19 and Your Health

Symptoms, testing, what to do if sick, daily activities, and more.

www.cdc.gov

I think this highlights the inconsistent messages still coming from the US government. So the CDC, a federal agency, puts out this recommendation on the same day the official Whitehouse spokesperson blasted those recommendations as “Orwellian“. What a completely dysfunctional administration. It’s heartbreaking to think of how many people will ignore these recommendations because their echo chamber is parroting this nonsense.

Kind of late for that, but at least they did it.

 

[GoofGoof]

Small anecdotal evidence but I work in Nashville. During the summer we had our temp taken and recorded at the door in the morning and another check at our desks after lunch. Everyone who wasn't at their desk had to be wearing a mask. It was enforced. Slowly that all started changing. In September-October, went down to one temp check. Then none. Late October the mask mandate was relaxed. Look at TN now....Now the office is mostly remote again. I have a feeling this relaxed attitude happened in more than one office.

It happened all over. It’s human nature for us to think of this as a linear series of events. The virus comes, we suffer, we eventually defeat it and then we begin the path to recovery. Just like a Hollywood movie. Unfortunately nature doesn’t work that way. People have a hard time adjusting things both up and down. I’ve been saying since day 1 that we need a dial not a light switch. When we started coming out of stay at home orders we should have done it more slowly and in a more measured way across the board under the plan that if (really when) things took a turn for the worse we would ramp down again. Way too many people took up the rally cry, “we will never go back to lockdowns” and they view any adjustment as a step that way. It is a shame because if people all over the country acted more quickly and decisively we could have had a far less damaging second wave.

I think when history looks back at the Covid pandemic in the future it will be portrayed as a more linear progression but living through it now we can all see it’s not.

 

[kong1802]

It happened all over. It’s human nature for us to think of this as a linear series of events. The virus comes, we suffer, we eventually defeat it and then we begin the path to recovery. Just like a Hollywood movie. Unfortunately nature doesn’t work that way. People have a hard time adjusting things both up and down. I’ve been saying since day 1 that we need a dial not a light switch. When we started coming out of stay at home orders we should have done it more slowly and in a more measured way across the board under the plan that if (really when) things took a turn for the worse we would ramp down again. Way too many people took up the rally cry, “we will never go back to lockdowns” and they view any adjustment as a step that way. It is a shame because if people all over the country acted more quickly and decisively we could have had a far less damaging second wave.

I think when history looks back at the Covid pandemic in the future it will be portrayed as a more linear progression but living through it now we can all see it’s not.

What drives me crazy, and I hope I'm not alone, is that this is exactly what we had already been warned about.

Fauci told us the stove would be hot in November and boy did we as a nation just have to reach out and touch it anyway like the defiant 2 year olds we are.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Kind of late for that, but at least they did it.

Yep...was thinking that...

They weren’t forceful enough about Halloween...now there are correlated spikes...this will be the same.

This chapter of failure continues to stretch on and on

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

What drives me crazy, and I hope I'm not alone, is that this is exactly what we had already been warned about.

Fauci told us the stove would be hot in November and boy did we as a nation just have to reach out and touch it anyway like the defiant 2 year olds we are.

So the smart, experienced people were right? And the unqualified, stupido cult governors were not?

If Vegas was open back then...I could have become very rich on that bet.

 

[JoeCamel]

Yep...was thinking that...

They weren’t forceful enough about Halloween...now there are correlated spikes...this will be the same.

This chapter of failure continues to stretch on and on

Its nice we spaced out our holidays so nicely, hope the spring dearth of celebrations helps.

 

[Kevin_W]

Not to discount random dude on Twitter, since there are multiple ways of calculating % positive it seems. But that number doesn't match the Wyoming DOH or the John Hopkins data (which show moving averages of ~21% and ~61%, respectively). I suppose if you look at single days it looks better or worse due to reporting inconsistencies.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Its nice we spaced out our holidays so nicely, hope the spring dearth of celebrations helps.

What are you talking about?

Veruca Salt will not be denied her spring break/winter travel!!!

After all...it’s brutal in the northeast in the winter and they have to be allowed to get out of the 58 degree weather!! Have some decency.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Not to discount random dude on Twitter, since there are multiple ways of calculating % positive it seems. But that number doesn't match the Wyoming DOH or the John Hopkins data (which show moving averages of ~21% and ~61%, respectively). I suppose if you look at single days it looks better or worse due to reporting inconsistencies.

It’s a D- grade either way

 

[GoofGoof]

What drives me crazy, and I hope I'm not alone, is that this is exactly what we had already been warned about.

Fauci told us the stove would be hot in November and boy did we as a nation just have to reach out and touch it anyway like the defiant 2 year olds we are.

People believe what they want to believe. Go back in this thread and you will see the theory being pushed over the summer was that there would be no second wave because once an area is hit hard then the virus fizzles out. A few people even tried to claim we hit herd immunity in NYC and the Northeast and that’s why cases were down over the summer. Mostly this was just wishful thinking and a desire to discredit Covid restrictions.