On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

[Animaniac93-98]

Treating a hospitality business like a hospitality business is not rocket science.

Unless you're Disney. For them it's like trying to understand quantum physics.

 

[discos]

Cedar Point isn’t a carnie park, I’m getting tired of the subset of Disney Fans who feel that there is no viable option outside of Disney, heck, the way both parks are operating I would argue currently Universal is a better experience.

You're right, Cedar Point is most definitely not a "Carnie Park" but it's not a Theme Park either. It's a great option for an Amusement Park and those looking for more thrill but an Amusement Park and Theme Park serve totally different functions.

 

[Touchdown]

You're right, Cedar Point is most definitely not a "Carnie Park" but it's not a Theme Park either. It's a great option for an Amusement Park and those looking for more thrill but an Amusement Park and Theme Park serve totally different functions.

They serve the same function, wholesome entertainment for the whole family. What’s interesting is that we are quibbling about the slight difference in approaches (amusement parks are mostly about the attractions, which are mostly rides, and don’t have an underlying story where as theme parks use their attractions which are far more varied and complex to transport you to a fantasy world) at a time when Disney World has been reduced to an elaborately themed amusement park (it’s currently all about the rides, there is no entertainment, no culminating night shows, just themed rides and shops.)

 

[MisterPenguin]

These Tweets by two people who seem to know about this kind of stuff (one a former forum member) seem relevant:

Ya build Cs and Ds like for Toy Story Land and you get dinged for them not being E-Level attractions.

Mary Poppins was going to be a C, and the cries of disappointment rose from the peanut gallery that it wasn't an elaborate dark ride.

People on this forum turn up their noses at Ratatouille for not being a real E-Ride.

And yet, when someone says the parks need more C and D, everyone nods their heads.

Until it happens.

 

[JUFL2019]

Ya build Cs and Ds like for Toy Story Land and you get dinged for them not being E-Level attractions.

Mary Poppins was going to be a C, and the cries of disappointment rose from the peanut gallery that it wasn't an elaborate dark ride.

People on this forum turn up their noses at Ratatouille for not being a real E-Ride.

And yet, when someone says the parks need more C and D, everyone nods their heads.

Until it happens.

This 100%. Any time Disney announces a c or d, most people here gripe and complain about it not being an E. Even the E that get built get griped and complained about for not being eeee enough. Disney could announce a new fully non-acquired IP land with two E, 1 D, 1, C and an A and y’all would complain about the color of the trash cans or that the beer doesn’t match the theme.

 

[CJR]

Ya build Cs and Ds like for Toy Story Land and you get dinged for them not being E-Level attractions.

Mary Poppins was going to be a C, and the cries of disappointment rose from the peanut gallery that it wasn't an elaborate dark ride.

People on this forum turn up their noses at Ratatouille for not being a real E-Ride.

And yet, when someone says the parks need more C and D, everyone nods their heads.

Until it happens.

I think it's more about execution. The Fun Wheel/Pal Around doesn't try to hide what it is. In FL, they have been taking these things and dressing them up (and marketing them) like E's with an excessively high budget for what they are. All, IMO, of course.

 

[Brer Panther]

Haha, the current policies came from Chapek. “He ain’t called Cheap-ek for nothing!”

But wasn't it Chapek who was against re-opening when the pandemic was going on? AND the guy who doesn't agree with Iger that Splash Mountain should be rethemed?

 

[UNCgolf]

WDW’s closest attempt at a regional park kind of ride is the Slinky Dog Coaster. One of the most popular rides in the park.

Which is incredibly unfortunate. Not that the ride itself is bad, but the whole exposed track and theming is a major failure and part of the reason Toy Story Land is so terrible. If Disney pivoted to building a lot of rides like Slinky Dog I'd probably stop going.

 

[UNCgolf]

Yes, Disney Parks are the pinnacle of theme park greatness; none of them have any cheap carnival rides at all in them. Oh wait

The list of mediocre attractions goes on and on. I promise once you realize many regional parks in the states are better than Disney, life will be better for ya!

You seem incapable of understanding that people want different things from parks. I've been to several regional parks and none of them are even remotely close to being as good as WDW for me, despite the fact that Disney is much worse than it was 25 years ago.

But that's because I don't care about roller coasters; I don't even enjoy the vast majority of them. I care about interesting themed environments and rides.

You need to realize that what you want out of a park isn't what Disney is offering. For you, the regional parks are better because you want huge coasters. There's nothing wrong with that, but it doesn't make it objectively true. Disney is catering to a different crowd.

 

[michmousefan]

You missed the part about “limits”.

The human body is prone to side effects from unnatural GeForces.

I once did 116 inversions at a park and loved it.

More than 6 don’t feel good now. Father Time is undefeated

As a fellow "experienced" rider, I really appreciate how RMC engineers their rides. Steel Vengeance is so well done... four inversions and I can easily do it multiple times (that's only a FastLane phenomenon, though). But other coaster inversions — I'm rather limited to a few a day. RMC makes inversions re-rideable, if that makes sense.

 

[Animaniac93-98]

WDW’s closest attempt at a regional park kind of ride is the Slinky Dog Coaster. One of the most popular rides in the park.

DHS only has 9 rides total.

Getting in the top 5 isn't that hard.

 

[Lilofan]

Treating a hospitality business like a hospitality business is not rocket science.

Unless you're Disney. For them it's like trying to understand quantum physics.

And some may try to justify these " important " jobs

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

A bunch of high income earners that can “take it or leave it” because they have high income toys and diversions at home.

It didn’t USED to be that way...it used to be anchored in the middle class roadtrips/summer vacations...but they’ve taken it down another path.

No sense fighting the truth...it will win.

 

[el_super]

I think it's more about execution. The Fun Wheel/Pal Around doesn't try to hide what it is.

When it opened that was the biggest complaint levied against it.

In FL, they have been taking these things and dressing them up (and marketing them) like E's with an excessively high budget for what they are. All, IMO, of course.

I agree the marketing is out of control. However, building an attraction should still meet the need no matter how it is marketed. But for all the complains about capacity being removed, they added Little Mermaid to Fantasyland and kept Carousel of Progress and Peoplemover open, but mostly just get "meh" reactions from people. Deciding they need more mid-tier attractions, and building mid-tier attractions that can actually entice a crowd and drive revenue are two different things. It's a rare occasion indeed when a mid-tier attraction can actually pull its weight.

But yeah... as others have said part of the problem is the huge costs of WDI Attractions.

 

[FutureCEO]

I think you meant to type something else and it came out Carousel of Progress. It wasn’t that way before the pandemic. Are they giving out free cupcakes or something as you watch the show?

Update to the Carousel of Progress showcasing the progress (non inventions) that humans have made since the Spanish flu to Covid - 19. All you see is a big blank screen.

 

[UNCgolf]

They serve the same function, wholesome entertainment for the whole family. What’s interesting is that we are quibbling about the slight difference in approaches (amusement parks are mostly about the attractions, which are mostly rides, and don’t have an underlying story where as theme parks use their attractions which are far more varied and complex to transport you to a fantasy world) at a time when Disney World has been reduced to an elaborately themed amusement park (it’s currently all about the rides, there is no entertainment, no culminating night shows, just themed rides and shops.)

That's also part of the reason people are going to Disney at the moment. I know I wouldn't go right now.

But that also ignores that most of the rides that are functioning are highly themed rides featuring stories, which is still a significant difference from amusement parks.

 

[UNCgolf]

Yes, a bunch of theme park snobs

I honestly feel sorry for you if you're this bad at reading and understanding things.

"People don't like exactly the same things I like for exactly the same reasons? IMPOSSIBLE!"

 

[ImperfectPixie]

I love that park but the people who visit....yikes.

And this coming from someone who just referred to others on this forum as snobs.

 

[UNCgolf]

There wasn't anything to comprehend in your post because it was full of nonsense

So, just to clarify, you think the fact that some people like different things than you is nonsense? What kind of world are you living in?

Your entire point has been that the coasters at Disney aren't very good and are much better at regional parks. Nobody is arguing against that. You just seem unable to understand that a lot of people don't care about coasters and prefer themed/story rides. I can't figure out why you are incapable of grasping that.

 

[UNCgolf]

Just pointing out the hypocritical nature of the argument against regional parks when places like DinoLand and Toy Story Land exist

Yeah, which are awful and should be bulldozed. No chance of that happening to Toy Story Land, but Dinoland will probably be eliminated eventually (Primeval Whirl being closed permanently seems like the first step).

But the point (or at least my point) wasn't that regional parks are cheap and terrible compared to Disney or anything remotely along those lines. It was just that they are mainly focused on roller coasters and other thrill rides where the physical experience is all that matters. That's fine (tons of people enjoy it) but it's not what Disney is doing (or attempting to do). Disney couldn't compete with that even if they wanted to, because those parks already have tons of huge coasters. They'd always be playing catch-up, and there'd be little reason for people to travel to Disney just for coasters when they have a regional park that's just as good or better.

If your main interest is coasters, Disney isn't really for you.