On layoffs, very bad attendance, and Iger's legacy being one of disgrace

[flynnibus]

So what point are you trying to make? That Disney should be paying more? Or that nobody should work for Disney?

Again.. go back to the original post. The poster claimed "But I also reject the notion that everyone should trade in pursuing their dreams in favor of something they don't enjoy just because it is a safer choice"

Just because it's your dream - it doesn't negate reality. Dream jobs aren't necessarily practical... as the other poster who mentioned their art passion so simply illustrated.

Many people let 'dreams' cloud their judgement and get burned. That is on the individual.... now burn me at the stake for saying people have the responsibility to look before they leap.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Again.. go back to the original post. The poster claimed "But I also reject the notion that everyone should trade in pursuing their dreams in favor of something they don't enjoy just because it is a safer choice"

Just because it's your dream - it doesn't negate reality. Dream jobs aren't necessarily practical... as the other poster who mentioned their art passion so simply illustrated.

Many people let 'dreams' cloud their judgement and get burned. That is on the individual.... now burn me at the stake for saying people have the responsibility to look before they leap.

I’m not burning you at the stake... I asked a question. What’s the solution in your opinion?

Do you think Disney should pay more?
Or do you think people shouldn’t work for Disney?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I’m not burning you at the stake... I asked a question. What’s the solution in your opinion?

Do you think Disney should pay more?
Or do you think people shouldn’t work for Disney?

Uh oh...I hear a “the free market is never wrong” coming...

 

[flynnibus]

I’m not burning you at the stake... I asked a question. What’s the solution in your opinion?

Do you think Disney should pay more?
Or do you think people shouldn’t work for Disney?

I said it in the last post (why do I have to keep repeating myself??) - People have the responsibility to look before they leap.

If I have a dream job of being a show designer but the offered jobs can't support my lifestyle I want... It's MY responsibility to identify that gap and stick to a employment situation that CAN support the lifestyle I want.... Not got Orlando and work for 2 years and cry "I can't afford to live on this job... "

 

[mkt]

Do you think Disney should pay more?

Yes.

To this day, I have a memory burned in my head of one of my colleagues. This was in 2003. He was a character performer, and worked in Disney Character Events, which are the character performers who appear in press, do events off site and travel a lot for the company.

One day I worked an event with him, and he mentioned that with his per diems from traveling, and on average working 60 hours per week the previous year, he earned $43k.

43 grand... for basically giving your life away to the company. And he was already maxed out at the top of the pay scale.

No thanks.

 

[PhotoDave219]

I said it in the last post (why do I have to keep repeating myself??) - People have the responsibility to look before they leap.

If I have a dream job of being a show designer but the offered jobs can't support my lifestyle I want... It's MY responsibility to identify that gap and stick to a employment situation that CAN support the lifestyle I want.... Not got Orlando and work for 2 years and cry "I can't afford to live on this job... "

No but employers need to pay a wage that people can actually live on.

Alas, that is a debate we’ve had about Disney for at least 15 years on this forum.

At this point it’s all academic. *gestures wildly at chaos in the world*

 

[flynnibus]

No but employers need to pay a wage that people can actually live on.

It's really simple to me... employers can makeup whatever job they want - it doesn't mean I'm going to apply and work there.

 

[TrainsOfDisney]

Yes.

To this day, I have a memory burned in my head of one of my colleagues. This was in 2003. He was a character performer, and worked in Disney Character Events, which are the character performers who appear in press, do events off site and travel a lot for the company.

One day I worked an event with him, and he mentioned that with his per diems from traveling, and on average working 60 hours per week the previous year, he earned $43k.

43 grand... for basically giving your life away to the company. And he was already maxed out at the top of the pay scale.

No thanks.

In 2003 that would have been right around the average salary in the USA. That’s not me trying to prove a point at all... just stating a fact.

 

[larryz]

Think this through - you're saying they could not acknowledge their dismissal - So what does that mean?? It means they can't say they no longer work for Disney. So who do they say they work for? If I say I work for Disney from 2010-present... but can't say I no longer work for Disney... Then you're saying I have to keep telling people I work for Disney?

You've come up with some theory - but not thought it through.

They can't bar you from acknowledging the separation. It makes no practical sense.

You're confusing topics like people who are still employed, but not able to discuss their planned separation with others... and topics like preventing disclosure of settlement terms. Both are very common. Neither means barring people from saying they've left a company after they've left. They can't require people to not acknowledge they are no longer employed after they are no longer employed.

No. Read my typing. I'm saying they can't (if the provision is in the contract they signed) publicize their departure on social media, particularly in a disparaging manner.

That's only if they want the money/benefits. If they don't take the package, they're free to do what they want -- they didn't sign anything.

Have you ever been NDA'd as part of a layoff?

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

No but employers need to pay a wage that people can actually live on.

Alas, that is a debate we’ve had about Disney for at least 15 years on this forum.

At this point it’s all academic. *gestures wildly at chaos in the world*

Ok...I don’t want to get in this...but I can’t resist...

The problem is “supply side”...and that’s why it’s a bad concept.

Supply only matters if it can be purchased. And an economy where a significant portion has zero purchasing power is ineffective. Some people have more...but if everyone has “some”...it’s more stable.

Why do we have bubble economies? Because when an “opening” is found...people go nuts. Because there aren’t a ton of opportunities.

Ok...bye

 

[mkt]

In 2003 that would have been right around the average salary in the USA. That’s not me trying to prove a point at all... just stating a fact.

Average for 40 hours.

This man was working 60 hours/week and included per diem. Not worth it.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Yes.

To this day, I have a memory burned in my head of one of my colleagues. This was in 2003. He was a character performer, and worked in Disney Character Events, which are the character performers who appear in press, do events off site and travel a lot for the company.

One day I worked an event with him, and he mentioned that with his per diems from traveling, and on average working 60 hours per week the previous year, he earned $43k.

43 grand... for basically giving your life away to the company. And he was already maxed out at the top of the pay scale.

No thanks.

I hate to tell you...but that was a lot in 2003 at Disney

 

[tirian]

Countdown to the earnings call to see how many of the latest rumors have legs.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

Countdown to the earnings call to see how many of the latest rumors have legs.

...what a grand shell game that will be

 

[mkt]

I hate to tell you...but that was a lot in 2003 at Disney

I know it was. It sounded like a lot. Until he said how many hours he worked and that the amount included per diem.

 

[tirian]

I hate to tell you...but that was a lot in 2003 at Disney

That was a lot in 2009 for Disney. Many low- and mid-level park managers were starting in the 37k range.

 

[flynnibus]

No. Read my typing. I'm saying they can't (if the provision is in the contract they signed) publicize their departure on social media, particularly in a disparaging manner.

Have an examples to your theory? Because I've never seen any separation agreements that try to manage anything like this.

And in the scenario we are talking about... we were talking about linkedin... which is a CV/job search platform - not just 'social platform'.

Your theory doesn't hold up.

Have you ever been NDA'd as part of a layoff?

Yes - and their focus is on your terms - not trying to put gag orders on how you address your work history.

 

[Sirwalterraleigh]

I know it was. It sounded like a lot. Until he said how many hours he worked and that the amount included per diem.

That was my point. It was “a lot” and also pathetic...

If you want to be well paid...you best not have a gator in the pond outback...

 

[mkt]

I hate to tell you...but that was a lot in 2003 at Disney

I just broke that down into an hourly wage. It's a lot for Disney now.

 

[flynnibus]

Earns 43k at Disney....

Should be a poster of "pick your careers wisely... or you could be stuck being a furry for just 43k"