EPCOT New Park Entrance coming to Epcot

[mikejs78]

You can still access the Seas normally. This is just needlessly tearing down Innoventions West and killing the symmetry of the central plaza to add in another water feature, which if you count all of Imagination's and the splash pads would be Future World's fourth.

I like water features...

 

[jt04]

You can still access the Seas normally. This is just needlessly tearing down Innoventions West and killing the symmetry of the central plaza to add in another water feature, which if you count all of Imagination's and the splash pads would be Future World's fourth.

Just wondering, do you have magic feather on 'ignore'?

Because the earlier post from magic feather completely obliterates the tropes going around here on what is planned for the front part of Epcot. The artwork is only an outline so to speak. Magic feather has a good track record on insider info.

 

[MisterPenguin]

This is just needlessly tearing down Innoventions West and killing the symmetry of the central plaza to add in another water feature

Oops, too late for that.

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

Oops, too late for that.

When work didn’t even start on the quadrant where Moana is going? No, not quite.

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

I like water features...

We had a great one in the center of the park. We also had cool ones in Future World East, but those are all gone too. Guess if you can’t get some part of your body wet with it, it’s not viewed as good enough anymore.

 

[MisterPenguin]

I dunno, I think I would be perfectly fine if Moana's wet floor walkway gets canned. We have interactive fountains on that side of Future World already, and they've been a fan favorite for nearly four decades now.

They're not interactive.

 

[MisterPenguin]

When work didn’t even start on the quadrant where Moana is going? No, not quite.

Your post purported to be about the symmetry of Innoventions West.

Innoventions West was in symmetry to Innoventions East.

Halve of Innoventions West is gone.

Symmetry broken.

Thus: too late to save the symmetry.

 

[marni1971]

Because the earlier post from magic feather completely obliterates the tropes going around here on what is planned for the front part of Epcot.

Not really.

 

[DreamfinderGuy]

They're not interactive.

Really now? I think they’re a whole lot more interactive than any other fountain in the park. Can’t think of any others where you’re encouraged to play with the water, other than the actual splash pads.

 

[MisterPenguin]

Really now? I think they’re a whole lot more interactive than any other fountain in the park. Can’t think of any others where you’re encouraged to play with the water, other than the actual splash pads.

If they're interactive, what is it that a guest can do to alter what the fountains do?

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

I know everyone is “rooting” for their least favorite parts to be cut from the Epcot overhaul, but I would strongly caution against that.

Agree or disagree with it’s contents, but the Epcot overhaul for FW that would have gone through without the pandemic was seriously masterplanned, and (while I know it wasn’t everyone’s favorite) marked the return of architecturally ambitious structures (not just showbuildings to Epcot). I’d go as far as to say that structure would have been more “EPCOT” than Mission: Space, Space 220, Rat, and Frozen combined.

Your use of the word "Masterplanned" in context seems to suggest there were forthcoming elements that had not yet been announced but would figure in with what had been announced . . . was that the case, or am I reading too far into that?

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

Frozen has massive sections of unthemed walls and only a few “look here” sections with animatronics. It’s terrible and a lazy refurb. The Mickey ride is how you do a gut job of a classic ride (if you refuse to keep said classic ride ).

Let's be honest, even Runaway Railway does a pretty lousy job disguising that most of its rooms are essentially soundstages. The flat cyclorama walls that have visual interest but abruptly fade to black at the ceiling are not sufficiently compensated for by the minimal set pieces and animatronics.

Despite some interesting figures, rich colors, and dynamic projections, it is almost always very clear you're in some sort of open showroom. This is not so apparent in on-ride videos of the attraction but is present in every major showscene within the ride outside of the train tunnel, projection dome, and the studio. Those are the only scenes that make the effort to fully envelop the guest, and still to varying degrees of success.

It makes it feel like the ride is the gut job it is - projection mapping the ceilings (or at least painting blacklight murals) would have gone SO far towards immersion in the cartoon world. Even something like Snow White's Scary Adventures never let you see the "edges" as clearly as Runaway Railway does. Railway is constructed pretty squarely with subject and backdrop with very little atmospheric scenery in between. I think Frozen frequently suffers these same ills, but at least they have those sparkling trees overhead in the beginning - SOMETHING infusing some atmosphere into the space between the Animatronics and the warehouse ceiling above.

But now I'm sure I've veered off topic.

*EDITED To Add: This may not be clear from this post, but I did have fun on Runaway Railway. I just don't think it hid its sins especially well.

 

[Chef Mickey]

Let's be honest, even Runaway Railway does a pretty lousy job disguising that most of its rooms are essentially soundstages. The flat cyclorama walls that have visual interest but abruptly fade to black at the ceiling are not sufficiently compensated for by the minimal set pieces and animatronics.

Despite some interesting figures, rich colors, and dynamic projections, it is almost always very clear you're in some sort of open showroom. This is not so apparent in on-ride videos of the attraction but is present in every major showscene within the ride outside of the train tunnel, projection dome, and the studio. Those are the only scenes that make the effort to fully envelop the guest, and still to varying degrees of success.

It makes it feel like the ride is the gut job it is - projection mapping the ceilings (or at least painting blacklight murals) would have gone SO far towards immersion in the cartoon world. Even something like Snow White's Scary Adventures never let you see the "edges" as clearly as Runaway Railway does. Railway is constructed pretty squarely with subject and backdrop with very little atmospheric scenery in between. I think Frozen frequently suffers these same ills, but at least they have those sparkling trees overhead in the beginning - SOMETHING infusing some atmosphere into the space between the Animatronics and the warehouse ceiling above.

But now I'm sure I've veered off topic.

*EDITED To Add: This may not be clear from this post, but I did have fun on Runaway Railway. I just don't think it hid its sins especially well.

No question it’s not perfect, but what is these days? The last perfect attraction from Disney was Expedition Everest, which they still don’t have up to original show quality.

My point was Mickey ride is far better of a revamp than Frozen...which was awful.

I even have an axe to grind about the way they do entire lands now. Is Star Wars cool? Yeah, but it should have more than 2 rides, one of which is a C ticket and the E ticket is broken a lot and has a limit 1 ride per day...so not much to do there. Same with Pandora. Toy Story Land and New Fantasyland were total failures too.

Runaway Railroad was a step in the right direction, for me at least.

 

[marni1971]

The last perfect attraction from Disney was Expedition Everest, which they still don’t have up to original show quality..

RSR would surely rate higher. Everest is a good coaster in a mediocre setting.

 

[Chef Mickey]

RSR would surely rate higher. Everest is a good coaster in a mediocre setting.

RSR is awesome, but I was more talking WDW. RSR was too TT for me to win me over as a “perfect“ attraction, although it’s really good.

Everest....With the queue, show building, scale, and yeti...it was epic. Disagree that anything about Everest was mediocre when it all worked.

 

[rreading]

No question it’s not perfect, but what is these days? The last perfect attraction from Disney was Expedition Everest, which they still don’t have up to original show quality.

My point was Mickey ride is far better of a revamp than Frozen...which was awful.

I even have an axe to grind about the way they do entire lands now. Is Star Wars cool? Yeah, but it should have more than 2 rides, one of which is a C ticket and the E ticket is broken a lot and has a limit 1 ride per day...so not much to do there. Same with Pandora. Toy Story Land and New Fantasyland were total failures too.

Runaway Railroad was a step in the right direction, for me at least.

Just curious - while I do think that EE is pretty much a perfect roller coaster for WDW (even without a functioning animatronic yeti), RotR and FoP are pretty great attractions as well. Hard to say that they're not perfect either

 

[Chef Mickey]

Just curious - while I do think that EE is pretty much a perfect roller coaster for WDW (even without a functioning animatronic yeti), RotR and FoP are pretty great attractions as well. Hard to say that they're not perfect either

RotR is insanely great, but has uptime issues and I don’t like the 1 ride per day limit. It also lacks the physical thrill and is almost more of a show. Still great, no doubt.

FoP is also great, but it is a screen ride and lacks a little bit of re-rideability for me because the thrill significantly lessens over multiple rides. The pre show is also too long once you’ve seen it.

 

[rreading]

RotR is insanely great, but has uptime issues and I don’t like the 1 ride per day limit. It also lacks the physical thrill and is almost more of a show. Still great, no doubt.

FoP is also great, but it is a screen ride and lacks a little bit of re-rideability for me because the thrill significantly lessens over multiple rides. The pre show is also too long once you’ve seen it.

I hate the 1 ride per day limit, but given that there's still not the capacity for each guest to ride it in a day...

We were happy to get to do it once

 

[yensidtlaw1969]

No question it’s not perfect, but what is these days? The last perfect attraction from Disney was Expedition Everest, which they still don’t have up to original show quality.

My point was Mickey ride is far better of a revamp than Frozen...which was awful.

I even have an axe to grind about the way they do entire lands now. Is Star Wars cool? Yeah, but it should have more than 2 rides, one of which is a C ticket and the E ticket is broken a lot and has a limit 1 ride per day...so not much to do there. Same with Pandora. Toy Story Land and New Fantasyland were total failures too.

Runaway Railroad was a step in the right direction, for me at least.

The issue wasn't perfection, it was that Railway doesn't really fare so much better than Frozen by the standards we were discussing. Wouldn't quite call Everest perfect either . . . Perfection isn't really a useful barometer in a subjective medium. But there for sure are core competencies that Disney used to deliver on at basically every level of attraction that they now manage to miss even with projects that are major.

Your thoughts on Lands definitely apply - Liberty Square features one of Disney's most beloved classic, sprawling, immersive dark rides, and an impressive Animatronic stage show that has rarely been equalled in scale . . . AND a massive, intricate Riverboat that actually operates, and is still EASILY the most "minor" land in its park. Obviously Galaxy's Edge and Pandora deliver in some ways that do not apply to Liberty Square, but they should blow it away pretty easily considering one is nearly 50 years old and the others are 3 or less. Instead they're more closely matched than must have ever been intended - and, frustratingly, Liberty Square even takes the win for attraction count.

 

[UNCgolf]

RotR is insanely great, but has uptime issues and I don’t like the 1 ride per day limit. It also lacks the physical thrill and is almost more of a show. Still great, no doubt.

FoP is also great, but it is a screen ride and lacks a little bit of re-rideability for me because the thrill significantly lessens over multiple rides. The pre show is also too long once you’ve seen it.

The preshow was too long while I was experiencing it for the very first time. It added nothing to the attraction for me, which defeats the purpose of a preshow. I realize it's supposed to explain what's happening on the ride, but it just doesn't work.

I also agree that FoP being screen based takes away from it a bit, because you don't have the sense of physically being in that space. Still an excellent ride, though.