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Coronavirus and Walt Disney World general discussion

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Heppenheimer

Heppenheimer

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Casper Gutman said:
HIPAA. People spelling it HIPPA seem to be making some very... dubious claims.
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Please forgive me for this bit of silliness, because you have made many well-informed and well-thought comments, and I respect your contributions to this debate. But given your profile picture, I have started reading your replies using Sidney Greenstreet's unique accent and line delivery... and in my head, it sounds hilarious. Now if I could start reading replies to your posts in the voices of Peter Lorre, Humphrey Bogart and Claude Rains, I'm pretty sure I would get no useful work accomplished for the rest of the week.
 
lazyboy97o

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Kevin_W said:
Agreed that its frustrating. Contact tracing seems to be much more difficult in America, partly due to HIPPA and probably partly due to the stubbornness that makes wearing masks difficult.
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Contact tracing is already done in the United States for other diseases. It’s how outbreaks of measles and legionnaires were traced back to Disneyland.
 
mickeymiss

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Can anyone simply state if any of those deaths were backlogged? I don't know how to interpret these numbers in massively populated states. I'm from a very small state lol.
 
milordsloth

milordsloth

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oceanbreeze77 said:
IDK if anyone posted this earlier
thehill.com

Florida emerges as world’s new epicenter for COVID-19

Florida has emerged as a global epicenter of the latest coronavirus surge, raising questions about the safety of major events that relocated to the state.As coronavirus cases surged throughout much…
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From the article: "Florida has had the second worst outbreak in the world in the last seven days, trailing only Arizona. "

Wouldn't that make Arizona the new epicenter?
 
LSLS

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mickeymiss said:
Can anyone simply state if any of those deaths were backlogged? I don't know how to interpret these numbers in massively populated states. I'm from a very small state lol.
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The article states this is the case. On top of that, it reiterates they only count deaths of permanent residents, and that they are going to have significant delays in their reporting so you can't trend deaths.

As was stated later, however, hospitalizations are not.
 
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Chip Chipperson

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LSLS said:
The article states this is the case. On top of that, it reiterates they only count deaths of permanent residents, and that they are going to have significant delays in their reporting so you can't trend deaths.

As was stated later, however, hospitalizations are not.
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There really shouldn't be any reason why they can't retroactively place the deaths on the correct date when compiling the graphs/tables showing the deaths per day, even if they are a few days behind in getting it updated. If they aren't doing that then it shows how little effort is being put into trying to control the virus, unfortunately.
 
DisneyDebRob

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Kevin_W said:
Agreed that its frustrating. Contact tracing seems to be much more difficult in America, partly due to HIPPA and probably partly due to the stubbornness that makes wearing masks difficult.
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I think the biggest problem, and we have a few with contract tracing is that we can’t get results back quick enough. We are hearing from 2 days to upwards of 2 weeks. Just read a report on some waiting almost 25 days. Contract tracing is impossible then. The whole idea is to isolate people quickly. Lack of enough tracers is just another reason . It’s unforgivable for us to delay results so long.
 
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milordsloth

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oceanbreeze77 said:
the article meant Florida is a "new" epicenter. There can be more than one. Ex: Italy and NY
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I mean, epicenter means "the central point of something, typically a difficult or unpleasant situation". By saying Florida is the "world's new epicenter" would make you think they are the current biggest hotspot. Not 2nd to Arizona.

But that really isn't the best point to argue, either way Florida is not in a good spot.
 
xdan0920

xdan0920

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mickeymiss said:
Can anyone simply state if any of those deaths were backlogged? I don't know how to interpret these numbers in massively populated states. I'm from a very small state lol.
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75% of them are legacy.

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LSLS

LSLS

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xdan0920 said:
75% of them are legacy.

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Now that would be data I'd like to see. Maybe we could then go in and input the deaths on the correct days to get a more true trend. Does whoever produced this graph have the data available? I haven't found it anywhere, and honestly every state should have just a table that lists every death and the date of death.

Now the problem in making the complaint that most of the deaths were backlogged is it looks like you will always be able to make that argument. In 2-3 weeks, the argument will be "Well most of those deaths were the first part July, things are better now." Which actually makes the case that death rate is not the best thing to try and trend when determining if a state is ramping up. Of course the other thing this is showing is that when the cases started to ramp up in mid June, it's very possible deaths were ramping up as well and nobody realized it.
 
kong1802

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LSLS said:
Now that would be data I'd like to see. Maybe we could then go in and input the deaths on the correct days to get a more true trend. Does whoever produced this graph have the data available? I haven't found it anywhere, and honestly every state should have just a table that lists every death and the date of death.

Now the problem in making the complaint that most of the deaths were backlogged is it looks like you will always be able to make that argument. In 2-3 weeks, the argument will be "Well most of those deaths were the first part July, things are better now." Which actually makes the case that death rate is not the best thing to try and trend when determining if a state is ramping up. Of course the other thing this is showing is that when the cases started to ramp up in mid June, it's very possible deaths were ramping up as well and nobody realized it.
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Exactly this.
 
xdan0920

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
LSLS said:
Now that would be data I'd like to see. Maybe we could then go in and input the deaths on the correct days to get a more true trend. Does whoever produced this graph have the data available? I haven't found it anywhere, and honestly every state should have just a table that lists every death and the date of death.

Now the problem in making the complaint that most of the deaths were backlogged is it looks like you will always be able to make that argument. In 2-3 weeks, the argument will be "Well most of those deaths were the first part July, things are better now." Which actually makes the case that death rate is not the best thing to try and trend when determining if a state is ramping up. Of course the other thing this is showing is that when the cases started to ramp up in mid June, it's very possible deaths were ramping up as well and nobody realized it.
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Fair warning, it’s a lot of data.
 
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DCBaker

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LSLS said:
Now that would be data I'd like to see. Maybe we could then go in and input the deaths on the correct days to get a more true trend. Does whoever produced this graph have the data available? I haven't found it anywhere, and honestly every state should have just a table that lists every death and the date of death.

Now the problem in making the complaint that most of the deaths were backlogged is it looks like you will always be able to make that argument. In 2-3 weeks, the argument will be "Well most of those deaths were the first part July, things are better now." Which actually makes the case that death rate is not the best thing to try and trend when determining if a state is ramping up. Of course the other thing this is showing is that when the cases started to ramp up in mid June, it's very possible deaths were ramping up as well and nobody realized it.
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This isn't new though how Florida reports deaths - they have been back-dated like this for several months.

You can find them in the PDF data, but isn't easy - load the "state linelist" and on the far hand right side you'll see a "Newly Identified deaths" column. You then have to look for any that say "yes".

 
xdan0920

xdan0920

Think for yourselfer
Casper Gutman said:
Is that the source of the chart? Or is the source of the chart some guy on Twitter?
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Look for yourself, you don’t seem to have anything better to do. It’s not hard, just time consuming.

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Are you saying it matters who put together the graphic? It doesn’t matter if the data is right, it matters who aggregated it? You can’t possibly be saying that.
 
Casper Gutman

Casper Gutman

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Let’s take that chart at face value for the moment. What does the chart show? It seems to show that when people were claiming the numbers weren’t bad over the last week or so, they weren’t looking at the real numbers. It also implies, as stated above, that we don’t actually know the current numbers and won’t for quite some time. So... I don’t know that this furthers the argument that things aren’t bad. What it seems designed to do is to confuse matters to such a degree that folks throw up their hands, declare that no one knows anything for sure, and stop feeling the need to take responsible measures.
 
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