DHS Mickey and Minnie's Runaway Railway confirmed

[Den Carter]

I’ve said this before, but do keep in mind that both rides using VQ at once would require the rehaul of the current system in use, which cannot support two attractions.

The system was not rehauled for Rise. This is made obvious by the reused assets from the land’s opening, the useless “Current Land Status”, the “Please return to Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge” prompt, and the Virtual Queue’s lack of ability to account for downtime.

I'm no insider, but I do know a bit about developing software such as the VQ/BG system. It wouldn't surprise me if ROTR uses the VQ for the last time on March 3, then MMRR picks it up on March 4.

 

[DarkMetroid567]

What makes you say the VQ can't account for downtime?

You know how guests have a 2 hour window to return once their boarding group is called? Once Rise went down even once during these windows, many guests were concerned because the 2 hour window didn't change on their app even though they couldn't ride. That's because the system was made for the land, not attractions. A land doesn't go through downtime.

The solution? We ignored the windows and told guests to come back at any point in the day if we knew the ride was being troublesome. Even if the boarding group was over 200 minutes late, we clicked the override button.

 

[djkidkaz]

I guarantee you they are going to make people choose either a rise boarding group or a Mickey boarding group. Just watch. Can you imagine how ed people would be to come to the park and everyone who showed up at opening gets to do both new rides and everyone after 9am gets neither? That’s a huge guest relations issue! If they force you to choose they will probably have boarding groups available until later in the morning which makes it more “fair”. I just don’t see them allowing everyone at rope drop to snatch up both rides.

 

[Ripken10]

I'm no insider, but I do know a bit about developing software such as the VQ/BG system. It wouldn't surprise me if ROTR uses the VQ for the last time on March 3, then MMRR picks it up on March 4.

Also a developer, and being able to duplicate the software is not an issue. There is other things that could hold it back, but not the development of this. Once created, it is much easier to duplicate or change. And more than likely they have had other iterations of this code that has been tested.

 

[Hawg G]

Yes true,but imo a good way to add capacity to DHS is to add more attractions both rides and shows and even maybe more meet and greets .

Yup, and remember, Backlot Tour and Motors had a respectable combined capacity, even just the amount utilized.

 

[Movielover]

Yup, and remember, Backlot Tour and Motors had a respectable combined capacity, even just the amount utilized.

While Motors could have lived much longer as I enjoyed it and made sure to see it every trip, Backlot deserved to be taken out back and put out of it's misery. It's sad to say since the original version was so incredible and I wish I could have experienced it since I am a huge film nerd but it was essentially a dead attraction past 1998 after all live action filming ceased at the studios.

 

[Goofyernmost]

Yup, and remember, Backlot Tour and Motors had a respectable combined capacity, even just the amount utilized.

Also remember that for a long time there was almost nothing else to do there and they still weren't able to attract enough to be saved from being removed.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

I have a hard time believing that MMRR is going to attract nearly the crowds for nearly the length of time ROTR is. When it first opens, sure -- anything new does. But the idea that they would need a VQ for that... ... just seems like a failure either in reliability of the attraction or throughput being too low for some other reason. And I still don't see what is so horrible about how they handled FoP with FP... or Mine Train...

 

[disneygeek90]

I have a hard time believing that MMRR is going to attract nearly the crowds for nearly the length of time ROTR is. When it first opens, sure -- anything new does. But the idea that they would need a VQ for that... ... just seems like a failure either in reliability of the attraction or throughput being too low for some other reason. And I still don't see what is so horrible about how they handled FoP with FP... or Mine Train...

What’s horrible is that a 2 hour standby wait is considered “good.”

 

[djkidkaz]

I have a hard time believing that MMRR is going to attract nearly the crowds for nearly the length of time ROTR is. When it first opens, sure -- anything new does. But the idea that they would need a VQ for that... ... just seems like a failure either in reliability of the attraction or throughput being too low for some other reason. And I still don't see what is so horrible about how they handled FoP with FP... or Mine Train...

Part of the problem is rise is drawing crowds but those people aren’t waiting in line. So you have a huge attendance increase for studios that shows up and gets a boarding group for rise and where is the next place every one of those guests will go? Right to MMRR to stand in line. You see this happening now with Slinky where the line yesterday was all the way to Little Mermaid show. I think the virtual queue is good to start off with but I am also looking forward to the day when all of these new rides use their queues and FastPass.

 

[marni1971]

So you have a huge attendance increase for studios..

So far it hasn’t been that big surprisingly. More like displaced attendance timings.

 

[MickeyMinnieMom]

What’s horrible is that a 2 hour standby wait is considered “good.”

Meh. I don’t see it as a problem that a major headliner can have that long a standby wait. Easy to avoid if you plan ahead.

 

[Parker in NYC]

With the trackless systems and such (second one to open at WDW), do we expect MMRR to run reliably enough without VQ? Asking for a friend.

 

[The Pho]

What’s horrible is that a 2 hour standby wait is considered “good.”

You’ll find 2 hour waits at most popular parks across the country for the past few decades. Most may not consider that “good” but it’s certainly acceptable to the vast majority.

 

[Jones14]

So far it hasn’t been that big surprisingly. More like displaced attendance timings.

So basically the crowds are peaking at opening rather than midday?

I think with Studios the question becomes, are people staying longer (and spending more money)?

 

[disneygeek90]

You’ll find 2 hour waits at most popular parks across the country for the past few decades. Most may not consider that “good” but it’s certainly acceptable to the vast majority.

2 hours is reasonable at best. But FoP goes beyond that most days.

 

[techgeek]

I have a hard time believing that MMRR is going to attract nearly the crowds ... And I still don't see what is so horrible about how they handled FoP with FP... or Mine Train.

To expand on this thought, if a VQ is the greatest operational and guest satisfaction line management tool ever created... then why haven’t we seen it take over the standby duties at least of FoP and 7D? Because it would be a guest services disaster to tell people the line is ‘closed’ and they effectively can’t ride the headliner attraction today.

RotR is a special circumstance. The perfect storm of a one of a kind experience, low capacity operations and huge demand. VQ should not be used in normal circumstances.

 

[djkidkaz]

So far it hasn’t been that big surprisingly. More like displaced attendance timings.

Remember all the cast are blocked out so the attendance is probably slightly higher than normal but once they unleash 70k cast members with the ability to go to studios the attendance numbers should skyrocket in theory.

 

[The Pho]

2 hours is reasonable at best. But FoP goes beyond that most days.

Because people are willing to wait for it. Unfortunately that’s just what happens when demand exceeds capacity. Flight of Passage has settled right around 2 hours though. Which is far better than some other rides.

 

[djkidkaz]

2 hours is reasonable at best. But FoP goes beyond that most days.

I feel like FoP is due for the Soarin treatment. They need to add a third theater.