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[Animaniac93-98]

When do we get the gritty prequel/reboot to The Reluctant Dragon?

Right after Robert Downey Jr. does the non-musical, modern remake of The Happiest Millionaire in which Mr. Biddle fights a 50 foot tall CGI alligator.

 

[brb1006]

When do we get the gritty prequel/reboot to The Reluctant Dragon?

Or The Aristocats live-action/CGI remake. It's only a matter of time at this point since they announced Lady and The Tramp which will start production this September and a movie starring Cruella.

 

[Princess Leia]

The soundtrack for The Lion King (2019) has been released

I’m still not crazy about this movie being remade (it’s my favorite), but this soundtrack is going to be amazing. They Live In You and Shadowland? Yes please.

 

[Rodan75]

This project is a defication on a classic.

Just rerelease the 1955 film in theaters every Valentine’s/lovers day year worldwide. Much cheaper.

While these are certainly cash grabs, they are also about renewing copywrites, protecting ‘ownership’ of the story ( since some of the source material is in the public domain) and being able to get international markets interested in the IP and in some cases all of the above and adjusting the story to remove characters/narratives that are no longer considered cultural norms.

Of course none of those reasons are creatively based, which does suck.

Oh and I forgot a big one,...goosing Consumer Products revenue.

 

[Princess Leia]

So who else is expecting a new teaser for The Lion King 2019 and Toy Story 4? I'm having a feeling them might finally drop it the day Christopher Robin gets released in theaters this Friday.

I’m still waiting for Captain Marvel (movie comes out before both of them, but we’ve gotten nothing so far)

 

[AEfx]

When do we get the gritty prequel/reboot to The Reluctant Dragon?

Didn't you hear? It is heading to Freestyle as a limited series, it's being re-imagined as a modern day #metoo allegory. They are changing the name to "The Non-Consensual Dragon".

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Everything in me wants to agree...and while they may not all be my cup of tea...they do seem to be dong a good job with these films (B&tB, Christopher Robin, etc).

The public certainly likes them, at least - and on the bright side, they aren't superhero or Star Wars movies!

Their position is see what sticks and it shows. You’re right, good movies have come out of it, but it says something about this specific project that it’s being shoved onto the streaming service. Goodwill was how this company made its money, not cashing in on it.

If you’re going to remake something, remake bad films or partially successful ones.

And don’t tell Jordan Peele he can’t remake Gargoyles.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

So who else is expecting a new teaser for The Lion King 2019 and Toy Story 4? I'm having a feeling them might finally drop it the day Christopher Robin gets released in theaters this Friday.

TS4 might be cancelled.

 

[Rodan75]

TS4 might be cancelled.

That would be something to cancel TS4.

 

[Princess Leia]

Their position is see what sticks and it shows. You’re right, good movies have come out of it, but it says something about this specific project that it’s being shoved onto the streaming service. Goodwill was

If you’re good to remake something, remake bad films or partially successful ones.

And don’t tell Jordan Peele he can’t remake Gargoyles.

I really enjoyed the Pete’s Dragon remake. Don’t get me wrong, I liked the original, but I liked the sense of peace I got from the new version (and not running out of the room crying like I did with the original when I was a kid). On the flip side, I didn’t like the Beauty and the Beast remake. Jungle Book and Cinderella are the only remakes that I’ve purchased to watch again (their stories differed enough from the ‘source’ material, so I felt like I could enjoy them more).

I would much rather see Disney remake movies like Black Cauldron and Rescuers than go after 101 Dalmatians, Lady & the Tramp, Peter Pan, Aladdin, and Lion King. They just seem untouchable to me.

 

[lazyboy97o]

While these are certainly cash grabs, they are also about renewing copywrites, protecting ‘ownership’ of the story ( since some of the source material is in the public domain) and being able to get international markets interested in the IP and in some cases all of the above and adjusting the story to remove characters/narratives that are no longer considered cultural norms.

Of course none of those reasons are creatively based, which does suck.

Steamboat Willie is still protected by copyright in the United States.

I honestly don’t have a problem with remakes. Stories have been told and retold for millennia, but they should be done with creative purpose and not simply because it has been done before. Cristopher Robin is the first to really bother me since Christopher Robin had a complicated relationship with the success of his father’s stories.

 

[Princess Leia]

That would be something to cancel TS4.

Annie Potts gave an interview recently that mentioned having to back and re-record the majority of her dialogue, so that’s not promising if they want to stay on the deadline. They can always push it back though.

 

[AEfx]

While these are certainly cash grabs, they are also about renewing copywrites, protecting ‘ownership’ of the story ( since some of the source material is in the public domain) and being able to get international markets interested in the IP and in some cases all of the above and adjusting the story to remove characters/narratives that are no longer considered cultural norms.

Of course none of those reasons are creatively based, which does suck.

Which is exactly what I think about when I see all these new "old design" Mickey things (even the new GMR replacement). While I haven't seen the shorts and can't comment on their quality, and the ride does sound fun (even if it is unforgivable that they replaced and didn't just refurbish GMR), the excessive merchandising you see in the parks and being pushed in all media is doing the same thing. They can't stop the original Mickey Shorts from the public domain, but they are clearly heck-bent on keeping those Trademarks alive.

 

[ThemeParkTraveller]

The soundtrack for The Lion King (2019) has been released

I don't think that's legit. The source seems dubious, plus this contradicts what Elton John revealed about the film earlier in the year.

There’s going to be four of our songs in the film, from the original: 'Can You Feel The Love Tonight?' 'Hakuna Matata,' 'I Just Can’t Wait To Be King,' and 'Circle of Life.' And then there will be an end, closing song, and we’ve been speaking to Beyonce’s people and hopefully Tim and I and her can cook up something. That’s going out in 2019 as well. And it will be great to work with her. So we will see.

 

[AEfx]

Steamboat Willie is still protected by copyright in the United States.

But it is only a few years until they have to deal with that and what comes. Disney is preparing ahead of time by excessively using the image of "old style" Mickey to bolster their trademark claim, which conflicts with intent of copyright expiration. I mean, have you seen the amount of merchandise?

This is the first time that copyright and trademark law is going to go up against each other like this. When Steamboat Willie goes public domain, it isn't just that film - but technically, it should also be the character of Mickey (as he appears in it). This is what Disney has worked so hard in the past to keep from happening. There is no way they will be able to extend copyright law again.

Just as when Wizard of Oz went public domain, people were free to write books and create new stories based upon the elements of that first book (but not later books, until they too entered public domain, or elements exclusive to the film, which as we know still are under copyright). That is what would continue to happen as later shorts (that introduced other Mickey elements and characters) became public domain.

By exploiting him as much as they can now, when this comes up they can claim that their trademark is so strong and they are still using that "style" of Mickey (there are like 200 different trademarks around different parts of and variations of Mickey, if I recall) that it should trump the intent of copyright expiration into the public domain.

As Disney has the oldest library of characters, they have always been the first responders when these dates come up. And since there is no Sonny Bono to champion through another "Mickey Mouse Act" in congress this time, everyone will be looking to them to see how these types of conflicts are going to be handled over the next few decades. Disney legal has been planning for this for quite some time.

 

[the.dreamfinder]

Which is exactly what I think about when I see all these new "old design" Mickey things (even the new GMR replacement). While I haven't seen the shorts and can't comment on their quality, and the ride does sound fun (even if it is unforgivable that they replaced and didn't just refurbish GMR), the excessive merchandising you see in the parks and being pushed in all media is doing the same thing. They can't stop the original Mickey Shorts from the public domain, but they are clearly heck-bent on keeping those Trademarks alive.

They could, but any further extensions would need to be justified to pass through to law.

Lawrence Lessig has this proposal for infinite copyright in exchange for a tax on income derived from the copyright, but it has no real prospects.

Funnily enough, Congress is looking to extend copyrights for recordings to 140-144 years with the CLASSICS Act.

 

[Princess Leia]

I don't think that's legit. The source seems dubious, plus this contradicts what Elton John revealed about the film earlier in the year.

If that’s true, then Be Prepared was cut, and that’s pretty disappointing.

 

[lazyboy97o]

But it is only a few years until they have to deal with that and what comes. Disney is preparing ahead of time by excessively using the image of "old style" Mickey to bolster their trademark claim, which conflicts with intent of copyright expiration. I mean, have you seen the amount of merchandise?

This is the first time that copyright and trademark law is going to go up against each other like this. When Steamboat Willie goes public domain, it isn't just that film - but technically, it should also be the character of Mickey (as he appears in it). This is what Disney has worked so hard in the past to keep from happening. There is no way they will be able to extend copyright law again.

Just as when Wizard of Oz went public domain, people were free to write books and create new stories based upon the elements of that first book (but not later books, until they too entered public domain, or elements exclusive to the film, which as we know still are under copyright). That is what would continue to happen as later shorts (that introduced other Mickey elements and characters) became public domain.

By exploiting him as much as they can now, when this comes up they can claim that their trademark is so strong and they are still using that "style" of Mickey (there are like 200 different trademarks around different parts of and variations of Mickey, if I recall) that it should trump the intent of copyright expiration into the public domain.

As Disney has the oldest library of characters, they have always been the first responders when these dates come up. And since there is no Sonny Bono to champion through another "Mickey Mouse Act" in congress this time, everyone will be looking to them to see how these types of conflicts are going to be handled over the next few decades. Disney legal has been planning for this for quite some time.

Yes, but we’re still a couple decades away from this being an issue for even Dumbo, much less the likes of Aladdin and The Lion King. I was responding to the claim that there were legal reasons for the “brand deposits.”

 

[AEfx]

Their position is see what sticks and it shows. You’re right, good movies have come out of it, but it says something about this specific project that it’s being shoved onto the streaming service.

Ugh. I didn't realize that. That certainly does quell some enthusiasm for it.

This whole streaming thing...I realize that if anyone can do it on their own, it is Disney, but seriously...everyone wants their own little service, and this gating of content behind it...honestly, it's just going to lead to more people torrenting and such again. No one wants to and many just can't plain afford a dozen different services every month just to watch one or two shows.

 

[AEfx]

Yes, but we’re still a couple decades away from this being an issue for even Dumbo, much less the likes of Aladdin and The Lion King.

True, and I don't think it is THE sole reason they are doing it, but I am sure it is a selling point within different divisions.