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A Spirited 15 Rounds ...
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Bairstow
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Silk Road was primarily used to sell and distribute illegal drugs.
asianway
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These guys must not know what company they are working for.
Rodan75
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I don't think that is a fair assessment. AND I don't think they would have issued this unless there was a potential path back. Horn and Feige would have shut this down over the last 10 days if they felt there wasn't a path to bringing Gunn back.
Heck, Feige and Disney PR may have approved this letter to see how it went.
Princess Leia
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I'm still on the pessimistic side of Gunn being rehired, however... half the cast carry a lot of weight. Not that the other cast members don't matter, but these four probably matter the most- Zoe Saldana, the current queen of sci-fi (Avatar, Star Trek, Guardians); Vin Diesel; Bradley Cooper; and Chris Pratt, the most current edition of Harrison Ford since Harrison Ford in the 70s-early 90s. This isn't a petition of fans anymore. It's a cast of a $1.63 Billion franchise (and that's not including Infinity War, where Zoe Saldana's character had the largest amount of screen time of any of the heroes). Again, I'm on the pessimistic side, like you, but this cast holds weight, so anything's possible.
Princess Leia
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https://www.cbr.com/imax-avengers-4-possible-april-release/
Avengers 4 could come out a week early now (like Infinity War)
Avengers 4 could come out a week early now (like Infinity War)
asianway
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This is called the bargaining stage
the.dreamfinder
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While true in terms of notoriety, they also sold pretty much anything including what I mentioned.
the.dreamfinder
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I’d be careful in suggesting Feige has a role to play here. We don’t even know if he was consulted about the firing in the first place.
geekza
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I mean, at this point, they're all pretty much guaranteed to keep their jobs through the third film unless one of them really does something worthy of getting fired over. Disney is knee-deep in building the GotG coaster and there's no way they'd fire their cast before the third movie comes out. It's far-easier to replace a behind-the-scenes person (even if that person was instrumental to the success of the first two films) than it would be to replace cast members. I'm glad they all came out in support of him. Publicly calling for an end to harmful witch hunts is the only thing that will stop them. That's how Joe McCarthy was brought down. It gives others an open door to start speaking out. Once more and more people say they've had enough, it will end. Real crimes need to be punished. Manufactured outrage needs to stop.
AEfx
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These boards are not the internet at large. That's why I bother to discuss things here, because generally the discussion is of a higher caliber.
That said, while we (mostly) have been able to differentiate between 1 and 2 here, that isn't what is going on other places, and including what @Mike S was referring to with Johnson and his tweets. There has been a concerted effort to lump the two together to dismiss the criticisms of TLJ. If you think Rey was turned into a Mary Sue, or that Rose (and Finn's) plot line was horrible, or any other of the list of complaints, then you must be one of those people who supposedly forced the actress off of Twitter, etc.
There is definitely a large contingent of Star Wars fans that aren't happy that the film was so divisive, and just love to dismiss it all on "misogynistic alt-right trolls" who they pretend are the only ones who could possibly have a problem with it. This is the narrative that Johnson has been supporting.
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asianway
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I actually like the idea of Rey coming in as a Super-Jedi and not automatically being thrown into the underdog role. I realize this isnt a popular opinion among the "haters".
I liked Finn in TFA, not so much in TLJ and the entire horrific plot line he was handed. I also think Ackbar should have been in the Holdo role. Have her be his replacement in IX.
Fact is they were intent on %$#$ing off the old fans.
geekza
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As someone who has very vivid memories of seeing Star Wars as a five-year-old in 1977 and who loved TLJ mostly because it genuinely took the characters in new directions, rather than regurgitating the same things we've seen already, I think you're making kind of a gross generalization about "the old fans."
This next part isn't aimed at anyone here. I think this site has done a remarkably good job of shutting down real trolls and any disagreements that pop up tend to be handled with well-formed arguments and a refreshing lack of personal attacks.
Nobody is saying you have to love the new films. Heck, I hated, hated, HATED the Prequels. That's fine. Just because I hated Jar-Jar as a character doesn't mean I have anything against Ahmed Best. Heck, by all accounts he is a likable guy! What stops being fine, however, is when the dislike of the direction that a series of films have taken somehow gives you (the collective "you") the very wrong impression that you now have a license to launch personal attacks (and, yes, threats of real physical attacks) at the folks involved in their production. The people who do things like that deserve whatever horribly lonely and misanthropic life awaits them.
asianway
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Speaking from personal experience, those simply not liking the film HAVE been lumped into the category of those making attacks.As someone who has very vivid memories of seeing Star Wars as a five-year-old in 1977 and who loved TLJ mostly because it genuinely took the characters in new directions, rather than regurgitating the same things we've seen already, I think you're making kind of a gross generalization about "the old fans."
This next part isn't aimed at anyone here. I think this site has done a remarkably good job of shutting down real trolls and any disagreements that pop up tend to be handled with well-formed arguments and a refreshing lack of personal attacks.
Nobody is saying you have to love the new films. Heck, I hated, hated, HATED the Prequels. That's fine. Just because I hated Jar-Jar as a character doesn't mean I have anything against Ahmed Best. Heck, by all accounts he is a likable guy! What stops being fine, however, is when the dislike of the direction that a series of films have taken somehow gives you (the collective "you") the very wrong impression that you now have a license to launch personal attacks (and, yes, threats of real physical attacks) at the folks involved in their production. The people who do things like that deserve whatever horribly lonely and misanthropic life awaits them.
AEfx
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OMG, Variety just screwed up big, LOL.
CBS has decided to start an investigation but take no action on the Moonves story. He isn't going anywhere for the time being.
I guess that was really unexpected at Variety, because as of this moment, this is still the second half of the article which starts by telling you "no action" will be taken:
Apparently they just got so used to everyone losing everything in a day that they had to hastily rewrite at the last minute.
EDIT: and it appears they have added a new line now..."The allegations and the prospect of Moonves making a hasty exit after 12 years as CEO have battered CBS’ stock, which dropped more than 4% in trading Monday after a 6% plunge on Friday." That wasn't there before - and the "hasty exit" thing is still there - which clearly, this isn't. The whole point of the first half of the article is that nothing hasty is being done. They clearly are scrambling to rewrite the article in real time, from when they assumed it would be over with today.
CBS has decided to start an investigation but take no action on the Moonves story. He isn't going anywhere for the time being.
I guess that was really unexpected at Variety, because as of this moment, this is still the second half of the article which starts by telling you "no action" will be taken:
Apparently they just got so used to everyone losing everything in a day that they had to hastily rewrite at the last minute.
EDIT: and it appears they have added a new line now..."The allegations and the prospect of Moonves making a hasty exit after 12 years as CEO have battered CBS’ stock, which dropped more than 4% in trading Monday after a 6% plunge on Friday." That wasn't there before - and the "hasty exit" thing is still there - which clearly, this isn't. The whole point of the first half of the article is that nothing hasty is being done. They clearly are scrambling to rewrite the article in real time, from when they assumed it would be over with today.
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the.dreamfinder
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FWIW, he should have been suspended without pay and trespassed from CBS property until the investigation was over. One could guess that he didn’t receive such a fate because the BoD is filled with Les loyalists, whose average age is 73.
PS: Richard Parsons was the CEO of Time Warner who dug them out of the whole AOL fiasco, so he could be Les’ replacement.
EPCOTCenterLover
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So, when is Spirit coming back?
Rodan75
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Yeah, I suspect that Feige may not have been consulted on the firing. Although, Feige is the de facto leader of the most successful studio in Hollywood (even if it is a sub-brand within Disney's umbrella) and I'm sure he is likely seen as the most obvious successor to Horn as the Creative lead of all of the Disney Studios, I can't imagine him not being part of any ongoing discussion.
AEfx
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I have a very hard time thinking that the head of the studio was not at least in on the discussion. Who then? Is it just Iger?
I think we keep forgetting that while this has the appearance of a "knee jerk" reaction, that very well may not be the case. I have a hard time believing that this was not a contingency plan, just like Roseanne likely was. It was a scandal waiting to happen in this environment. The plan was already in place. It just happened to come from an unexpected source.
Pixieish
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This whole thing is a story of the effects of a "zero tolerance" policy in reaction to created outrage.