ford91exploder
Resident Curmudgeon
In corporate America its all about the money and nothing else and TLJ significantly underperformed the first two. Kennedy now has a target painted on her job.
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In corporate America its all about the money and nothing else and TLJ significantly underperformed the first two. Kennedy now has a target painted on her job.
jakeman
Well-Known Member
Only Sith deal in absolutes.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
No doubt...but that opinion is void if you didn't study Finance at Wharton
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
...and the sith's accountant rules the world
GiveMeTheMusic
Well-Known Member
No one - and I mean no one, including Disney brass - expected TLJ to match TFA's gross. That's not how the movie business works. TFA was the result of 10 years of pent up demand and unparalleled fanfare. No one, I repeat no one, expects TLJ to match TFA's gross.
And if you think producing a movie that makes a billion dollars in two weeks gets you a target on your back, you are again profoundly mistaken.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I don't think you understand disney - or any corporate brass - at all. They are tasked with two things: not burning bridges to their revenue and pushing the stock price as high as it can go by anything necessary - including tossing the kitchen sink. That used to be a 5 or 10 year plan...now it's a quarterly if not daily task.
The stock market is volatile...its tied to perception, not mathematics as it was meant to be...they can crash in the course of 3 days...which is why it's about grabbing it/converting it/hiding it while they can. That was the only lesson of every bubble that the power brokers have learned. They jump off the wave at the crest and the underlings crash through the trough.
This idea that the "wise, benevolent"
Disney management expect 30% bleed or are satisfied with it is nuts. What's that mean for the next one? You've killed the original characters and that's what got people to force awakens in the first place...
...like it's Walt and Roy smoking pipes at the premiere of Mary poppins. Many here need to realize who we're dealing with.
Kathy Kennedy isn't getting fired...but if you don't think she's targeted with a parachute strapped on her...you're fooling yourself. It depends where this goes and how quickly they need a fall gal.
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
...that's what lack of insight or perception of reality tends to do
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
The irony in here is fantastic! Bravo!
Come up with a point...or are we gonna gush about how good the prequels are again?
jakeman
Well-Known Member
Nah, let's keep beating this dead horse about TLJ a bit longer.
I'm not sure the point that you guys think Iger is going to murder the families of the Lucasfilm employees because TLJ didn't make ALL THE MONEY has been quite driven into the ground yet.
lazyboy97o
Well-Known Member
Wrong person to accuse of not knowing Disney.
GiveMeTheMusic
Well-Known Member
Do you think Fox execs expect Avatar 2/3/4/5/19 to each gross $2.7 billion? No. It's not possible to repeat cultural lightning-in-a-bottle events on demand. TFA was a cultural moment. From here on out, no Star Wars films are going to have its impact and again, no one at Disney expects them to. Bob Iger may be about shareholder value, but he's not an idiot (despite what many seem to think) and he has been running a movie studio long enough to know how the business works. Alan Horn is a long time industry vet who really knows how things work.
Most analysts project TLJ to run out of steam around $1.6-1.7 billion. There isn't a studio executive in the world who would be "disappointed" in those numbers and anyone who calls it a disappointment is missing the 10-figure point.
smile
Well-Known Member
if nothing else, it's hard to argue that (like many things these days, it seems) TLJ is polarizing...
what damage that may or may not have done to the general fanbase is currently unknown, but i would personally raise an eyebrow as to why that direction was chosen and would expect some good answers from kathy as to why she chose, pre-release, to give rian another trilogy.
as to what pulse the brass has on such a schism, i don't know, but i do recall bob intervened in quick order to personally to remove a hurdle from battlefront 2
grab your popcorn (if you don't have it already
)
what damage that may or may not have done to the general fanbase is currently unknown, but i would personally raise an eyebrow as to why that direction was chosen and would expect some good answers from kathy as to why she chose, pre-release, to give rian another trilogy.
as to what pulse the brass has on such a schism, i don't know, but i do recall bob intervened in quick order to personally to remove a hurdle from battlefront 2
grab your popcorn (if you don't have it already
)
GiveMeTheMusic
Well-Known Member
Another point that doesn't come up much - Bob Iger is personally invested in Star Wars. It's one of the few things in the company he's truly, personally interested in. Remember hearing about Bob's insatiable attention to detail at Shanghai Disneyland? An attention to detail he's never demonstrated for any of the other parks.
SDL and Star Wars are, if the Fox deal falters, his biggest legacies. Bob didn't see TLJ for the first time at the premiere. I wouldn't be surprised if he signed off on Rian's trilogy deal. Star Wars is important to Bob in a way many things at Disney aren't.
SDL and Star Wars are, if the Fox deal falters, his biggest legacies. Bob didn't see TLJ for the first time at the premiere. I wouldn't be surprised if he signed off on Rian's trilogy deal. Star Wars is important to Bob in a way many things at Disney aren't.
jakeman
Well-Known Member
Whoa...hang on there buddy...
We have it on good authority that Bob only cares about the stock price and maybe ESPN. That is straight from several folks who aren't insiders, don't know Bob, or have an obviously ulterior agenda and at least one guy who is a proven liar.
You expect us to take your word for it when what your saying runs completely counter to that pedigree of opinion? FOR SHAME!
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
If it gets to $1.6-7...I agree they will be fine with that. That's $600 mil to go and remember: the Chinese can care less about Star Wars.
So we'll see...I think $1.4 is not gonna be viewed favorably in the walls of Dwarfia...
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Whoa...hang on there buddy...
We have it on good authority that Bob only cares about the stock price and maybe ESPN. That is straight from several folks who aren't insiders, don't know Bob, or have an obviously ulterior agenda and at least one guy who is a proven liar.
You expect us to take your word for it when what your saying runs completely counter to that pedigree of opinion? FOR SHAME!
Hey, I know you!!! You're that guy that thinks upper managers with control of finances leak info to disney chat boards!!!
It's nice to meet you...and your 500,000 "brothers" that have surfed Netscape before you...
bclane
Well-Known Member
I like how you come back with more alternate facts..as usual. That’s so great!
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
Bob iger is a tv guy...and while I agree he's PERSONALLY invested in Lucasfilm, that doesn't mean he knows what to do with it. His Personal attachment is that he spent $4 bil of his stockholders money on it. Just like Pixar and marvel.
Marvel is the good parallel...because most seem to think Feige has done a great job with it...hard to argue the results there as they're like 12 movies deep now...
But what will Star Wars be at 12? I can't say it's trending too well with two director firings in a year.
This comes back to Cathy Kennedy...
Sirwalterraleigh
Premium Member
I like how you come back with more alternate facts..as usual. That’s so great!
It's called a reasoned opinion...and I try to put some thought into them. Patronizing quips are the most useless thing in internet history other than most memes...
...you'd be doing yourself a favor if you don't bother typing them.