BLACKFISH

[flynnibus]

Gabriela Cowperthwaite did not set out to make a film about the "ethical issue of animals in captivity."

A performing orca killed its trainer. She simply asked, "Why?"

The subject of sharks in aquariums is a different movie that someone else can make.

If she was only concerned about that single animal - why extrapolate the issue to all orcas - orcas who haven't demonstrated the same issues?

 

[flynnibus]

Yes, I hear you, but as long as everything that comes out of my mouth is the God's honest truth, I have nothing to worry about. If the truth is on my side, I'm fine. I get what you are saying. Editing can do wonders, but if I have nothing to hide, bring it on.

Naive - editing can do more than wonders - it can make anything into anything you want. Just by giving an interview, the person doesn't retain rights over how it's presented or included. Without override on the final cut... they'd be at the mercy of the film maker.

 

[flynnibus]

What Blackfish does is what it intended to do from the start -- polarize people on both extremes and essentially make zero impact, just like any other documentary historically has had zero impact.

I wouldn't go that far - many have been enlightening, or showing people things they never would have been exposed to or in that way before. A long favorite of mine http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_World_at_War

 

[flynnibus]

The domestication of dogs happened because it was beneficial for both sides

Do you qualify the relationship as beneficial for a dog - but the same things not being beneficial for other animals taken from the wild? The dog benefits from protection from the environment, predators, medical care, feeding... aren't those all the same for animals in captivity? Dogs didn't evolve to live in fences.

If domestication is 'ok' in your book because 'it was beneficial for both sides' - where do you draw the line on what is beneficial vs destructive?

 

[flynnibus]

once you say something, with consent, in public (remember the whole "off the record, on the record" thing)...then, it's free for them to use as they see fit

Not so - they can not use them as they see fit... especially in the regard of misrepresenting what was said through manipulation. It would take civil action to pursue, but they could go after them for being misrepresented and causing harm to their image, livelihood, etc.

Third, there are no federal slander or defamation laws in the US. 4 states recognize defamation / slandar as a civil court matter, and Florida is not one of them. Neither is Texas, California or New York...any of the markets where a direct case could be filed by Blackstone Group or under the operating name of Sea World. There is no legal case there.

Doo wua?? Only 4 states with defamation/slander laws? Me thinks you're a on tilt there. Nothing in Cali/NY? Someone tell hollywood and the national enquirer... they need some of their money back!

I refer you to section 44 of the California Civil Code.. (up through section 48 is of interest as well)
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/cgi-bin/displaycode?section=civ&group=00001-01000&file=43-53

Florida also has defamation laws/protections as well. Not sure what made you think this is some very limited thing in the US?


The problem with the 'just sue them' defense is... the damage is already done.

 

[JPatton]

Whoever heard of elementary school students saying ‘no’ to a field trip?

Willie Nelson and Cheap Trick aren’t the only ones cancelling their trips to SeaWorld after watching Blackfish.

Administrators at Point Dume Marine Science Elementary School in California cancelled an annual spring field trip to SeaWorld last week after students and parents complained of unethical treatment of orca whales alleged at the park in the controversial new documentary “Blackfish.”

As far as I know, they are the first school group to cancel SeaWorld since the movie was released.

Good for them!

 

[RandomPrincess]

This is very interesting will the protesting last long enough to get Sea World to change or will this peter out like so many outraged protests before?

 

[JPatton]

Most intelligent humans would allow "mistreatment" of themselves if they knew it was for the betterment of their specie. I know I would. And I am sure many of you would say the same. It's an ethical question. The loss of one to save many. Or do you save one with the risk of lossing many.

I strongly disagree with your statement. We have got to get our heads on straight about this. We do not need to mistreat anything or anybody at SeaWorld for the good of anything or anybody else. That is a sick and twisted idea that has been sold to you by the marine park industry. Man, this is a dirty rotten business....

Our oceans and its species are not dependent upon amusement parks in Florida to save them.

SeaWorld Parks are primarily about entertainment---making money for shareholders---show business. Period.

 

[wm49rs]

So glad you're here to speak for "we"....

Just as I'm sure you're glad there's forums such as these to advocate your position. Twitter can be so limiting, requiring followers and all....

 

[Voxel]

I strongly disagree with your statement. We have got to get our heads on straight about this. We do not need to mistreat anything or anybody at SeaWorld for the good of anything or anybody else. That is a sick and twisted idea that has been sold to you by the marine park industry. Man, this is a dirty rotten business....

Our oceans and its species are not dependent upon amusement parks in Florida to save them.

SeaWorld Parks are primarily about entertainment---making money for shareholders---show business. Period.

How dare you tell me were I learn my ideology! If you would like to know, the first time I went to Sea World was last week. My concept of giving one self up for the betterment of all or even one comes from the World around me, the Bible and the works of Victor Hugo. Les Miserables where Val Jean gives up his life to save an innocent man who claims to be him. Jesus Christ who died for the sins of man whether you believe it or not. My good friend who died trying to save the lives of kids even though he couldn't swim. All of these are sacrifices of one's self for the betterment of another. And I can list many more situations then this.

 

[Voxel]

Also our Ocean's may not need an amusement parks in Florida to save them but ya know what, Sea World has done more work to get the worl of conservation out there then any other organization. Do I see you wading out into the water to rescue beach aquatic animals like Sea World does every year?

 

[JPatton]

I've got an idea. Let's capture and deprive even MORE whales and dolphins so we can do even MORE good for the world's oceans and marine mammals.

Do you see how crazy that is? Anybody?

 

[Voxel]

I've got an idea. Let's capture and deprive even MORE whales and dolphins so we can do even MORE good for the world's oceans and marine mammals.

Do you see how crazy that is? Anybody?

First of they are not capturing whale or dolphins currently and many of those practices ended years ago. Many of the new whales are A)Orphans who don't know the migratory patterns and may never be adopted into a family or B) Natural birth at Sea World who have the same issue as the Orphans.

Lets me honest here, Releasing the Dolphins and Whales at Sea World will not do ANYTHING for the conservation for the species, if anything it will give Whalers and hunters more targets and could mean the end of their life. Releasing them wont magically end the problem. The problems lays with over fishing, whaling, pollution, and the other problems that plague the oceans.

I suggest you get off your high horse and do something to fix those issues first before your preach for what could be the inevitable DEATH of these animals.

 

[flynnibus]

I've got an idea. Let's capture and deprive even MORE whales and dolphins so we can do even MORE good for the world's oceans and marine mammals.

Do you see how crazy that is? Anybody?

Crazy? Is capturing bees and putting them in a lab to study them crazy too?

I guess you consider medical studies 'crazy' too.. since we subject a few to potential harm to better the chance for everyone. But that idea of 'sacrifice a few to help everyone' is CRAZY in your book.

 

[919Florida]

I've got an idea. Let's capture and deprive even MORE whales and dolphins so we can do even MORE good for the world's oceans and marine mammals.

Do you see how crazy that is? Anybody?

Oh my gosh. You just don’t get it!!!! Whether you will admit it or not which you more than likely won’t SeaWorld has inspired so many people to go out and do something and make changes. People get close to these animals and it inspires them to make a difference. People watch what they throw away, recycle more, participate in beach clean ups, donate to wild life funds and conservation efforts.

SeaWorld does not take animals from the oceans for shows. That was a thing of the past. When SeaWorld rescues an animal their first goal is to get them better and then to release them. Unfortunately that cant always happen but it happens more times than not.

I have said it before that SeaWorld's animals are ambassadors to the animals at sea. SeaWorld takes great care of the animals and always will. World class care. They don’t have to worry about pollution and viruses and poachers and hunters and being hit by boats. What about all the dolphins washing up on our beaches dying right now because of the virus in the ocean. Yep that’s exactly where I want to be.

 

[Voxel]

Oh my gosh. You just don’t get it!!!! Whether you will admit it or not which you more than likely won’t SeaWorld has inspired so many people to go out and do something and make changes. People get close to these animals and it inspires them to make a difference. People watch what they throw away, recycle more, participate in beach clean ups, donate to wild life funds and conservation efforts.

SeaWorld does not take animals from the oceans for shows. That was a thing of the past. When SeaWorld rescues an animal their first goal is to get them better and then to release them. Unfortunately that cant always happen but it happens more times than not.

I have said it before that SeaWorld's animals are ambassadors to the animals at sea. SeaWorld takes great care of the animals and always will. World class care. They don’t have to worry about pollution and viruses and poachers and hunters and being hit by boats. What about all the dolphins washing up on our beaches dying right now because of the virus in the ocean. Yep that’s exactly where I want to be.

Agreed this study just came out today.
http://www.nola.com/environment/index.ssf/2013/12/half_of_bottlenose_dolphins_of.html

Its scary sad.

 

[BuddyThomas]

Oh my gosh. You just don’t get it!!!! Whether you will admit it or not which you more than likely won’t SeaWorld has inspired so many people to go out and do something and make changes. People get close to these animals and it inspires them to make a difference. People watch what they throw away, recycle more, participate in beach clean ups, donate to wild life funds and conservation efforts.

SeaWorld does not take animals from the oceans for shows. That was a thing of the past. When SeaWorld rescues an animal their first goal is to get them better and then to release them. Unfortunately that cant always happen but it happens more times than not.

I have said it before that SeaWorld's animals are ambassadors to the animals at sea. SeaWorld takes great care of the animals and always will. World class care. They don’t have to worry about pollution and viruses and poachers and hunters and being hit by boats. What about all the dolphins washing up on our beaches dying right now because of the virus in the ocean. Yep that’s exactly where I want to be.

Yeah, Sea Workd has inspired me as well. When I went there in September (first and last time), when I saw dolphins and orcas swimming in concrete tubs, I was inspired to feel sad and I was inspired never to go there again until they get rid of dolphin and whale shows. It didn't take a movie called Blackfish to make me see that putting intelligent animals in nondescript tanks for their entire lives is pretty horrible.

 

[Voxel]

I would like to point out here for both parties who might not be aware but recent studies of Dolphins suggest that they are not the intelligent species we believe them to be. It goes on to further to state that the "Symbol Language" taught to dolphins can be taught successfully to African Grey Parrots and Sea Lions. Yes they are Intelligent the study says but we gave them more credit they they deserve.

 

[RandomPrincess]

I would like to point out here for both parties who might not be aware but recent studies of Dolphins suggest that they are not the intelligent species we believe them to be. It goes on to further to state that the "Symbol Language" taught to dolphins can be taught successfully to African Grey Parrots and Sea Lions. Yes they are Intelligent the study says but we gave them more credit they they deserve.

Or parrots and sea lions are geniuses!

 

[BuddyThomas]

I would like to point out here for both parties who might not be aware but recent studies of Dolphins suggest that they are not the intelligent species we believe them to be. It goes on to further to state that the "Symbol Language" taught to dolphins can be taught successfully to African Grey Parrots and Sea Lions. Yes they are Intelligent the study says but we gave them more credit they they deserve.

Source please?