Spirited News, Observations & Thoughts IV

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WildcatDen

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Thomas Jefferson stated it PERFECTLY: "When then the people fear the government there is tyranny, when the government fears the people there is liberty."
Nicely done. There is another quote but I am not sure who to attribute it to, "When over 50% of the population is dependent on a handout, Democracy is lost." Who are you going to vote for? The party that wants you to better yourself and work for a living, or the party that gives you free stuff? Wow, that just hit a Disney nerve as well. Hey everyone, Free Dining. Where are you going to go? So the Mouse is a Democrat after all? Who knew?
 

luv

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:hilarious:In a state that probably has the WDW logo on it's state flag, I wouldn't doubt that they might not spend a whole bunch of advertising money that close by. Now Georgia, South and North Carolina (I do see them regularly but not often in NC) that might be targeted. Don't know, but I do know that you almost never see a Disney Ad up north until it starts to snow. There is no reason to go after them in the summer because almost all of the natives have massive allergies to heat and humidity. The mere thought of summer in the south thrusts them into shock.:happy: At least that's the way I was when I was a native there.
Good God, don't give them any ideas! They'll put him on a license plate. I'm honestly surprised that isn't already an option.

Just yesterday, I was setting up a new checking account and the girl asked which card I wanted and showed me the options on the screen. Plain Chase and Disney. I asked if there were other designs available and No, there weren't. Disney or plain. I debated and settled on a Disney one.

I said, "I wish they'd give us other designs to choose from. The longer I live here, the less enthused I am about Mickey stuff." She laughed and said everyone who moves thinks its all so cute at first, "They all say 'Oh, Mickey! Mickey! Mickey!' But after a while its like, 'Oh-God. More Mickey?'"

At least in central Florida, you don't need any reminders that WDW is close by! You get your fill (and then some!)

I don't really watch many commercials, but I do notice more ads for Uni on TV. Even at Publix, there's a transformers sign by the front door. Uni is advertising, for sure.
 

MattM

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Nicely done. There is another quote but I am not sure who to attribute it to, "When over 50% of the population is dependent on a handout, Democracy is lost." Who are you going to vote for? The party that wants you to better yourself and work for a living, or the party that gives you free stuff? Wow, that just hit a Disney nerve as well. Hey everyone, Free Dining. Where are you going to go? So the Mouse is a Democrat after all? Who knew?
Liked the first part of this post, but the last two sentences aren't really accurate. But I see what you're getting at.
 

WildcatDen

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With all due respect, you and those who think like you, sir or madame, are the greatest kind of danger a free society can face. Your utter incomprehension of history and the cycles of government is self-evident
Well, you do not know me. I am pretty sure, even in Biblical times, people want to kill people. But do not try and tell me that the things I HAVE SEEN are not real. Sleep tight
 

lebeau

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Within nearly every megacorporation, when HR repeatedly insists that a program is great, that's a guarantee that the program is a disaster. :rolleyes:

I can't help but think of Kevin Bacon in Animal House:

"Remain calm. All is well!" :D




I was sure you were going to go with "Thank you, sir. May I have another?"
 

lazyboy97o

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If NGE was simply another way to pay for stuff I don't think anyone here would be complaining much.
I think the availability of wristband payment systems for a few years now is part of why the MagicBand had to more. It had to be "Disney."
 

Goofyernmost

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With all due respect, you and those who think like you, sir or madame, are the greatest kind of danger a free society can face. Your utter incomprehension of history and the cycles of government is self-evident.

Who is our military, full of brave men and women whom I respect in the utmost way, protecting us from? Who? Seriously, I'm curious. I haven't heard a name in quite some time, because supposedly they killed that bin Laden guy awhile back (despite the fact that experts assert he died of illness sometime in 2002 or 2003 - too bad he was buried AT SEA so we'll never find out for sure).

You can say, well, terrorists of course! Islamic extremists who want us all dead! They're gonna come over here and hijack our planes and blow up our buildings and maim and kill like their holy book tells them to! Their compulsion can't be stopped and we're all in mortal danger!

Have you ever stopped to wonder why Islamic extremists don't like 'murica? Because I have. I thought, what do I, some podunk 'murican across the world, have to do with these people? Why do they care what I do or don't do? (Hint: do some historical research on that region, and the look up "blowback")

Questioning the motivation is where knowledge begins. Questioning the government (and this stuff is not exclusive to one party - Bush and Obama have pulled the exact same crap) is the start of understanding. Follow the chain of events:

- Clinton arms bin Laden and Al Qaeda operatives to assist in American efforts in the Middle East
- a group of extremists arrive in America, publicly register for flight school and prepare in broad daylight
- 9/11 attack happens, government response during and after attack is nil, presidential reaction is hours after the fact
- bin Laden claims responsibility for 9/11 attack on US soil
- bin Laden is now Public Enemy No. 1, presumably manhunt ensues
- pre-written Patriot Act (what a name!) is pulled out the drawer and hastily passed, giving the government unprecedented and unconstitutional powers
- Department of Homeland Security is formed, a multi-trillion dollar agency that will eventually create its own military force and become one of the top domestic purchasers of ammo
- American people are angry and confused. To form a target, the Afghanistan and more importantly, Iraq wars are commenced
- Despite no obvious ties to bin Laden or 9/11, the Iraq war is unilaterally declared and Saddam Hussein is toppled
- Bush stands in front of a Mission Accomplished banner, and announces "Mission accomplished"
- Thousands more American soldiers and innocent Iraqi civilians continue to die despite said accomplishment
- The introduction of the TSA shortly after 9/11 makes airline travel a PITA as mostly inept employees perform glorified bag checks
- Americans grow tired of the war effort in Iraq/Afghanistan (the graveyard of nations, as it has been so aptly called) as it becomes apparent that "winning" is not an option
- Damning evidence of military contractors, such as Halliburton, suggests a far more corrupt vision of the reasons for declaring war. The ties between high-ranking officials and companies like Halliburton (why, Dick Cheney for example) ALMOST make it seem like war was initiated to line pockets
- Leaked documents show possible ways to ignite war with Iran as considered by the Bush-Cheney administration, including a false flag operation in which American soldiers would be killed while posing as Iranians to spark anger toward that nation and justify an invasion
- Obama runs on a platform of peace and change, trumpets devotion to civil liberties as his Constitutional law background would indicate
- McCain loses by a long shot, and Obama is inaugurated
- TSA starts to get serious: agents are now clothed in police-style uniforms with shiny boots and epaulets. Invasive and untested "o scanners" are purchased in bulk from a company run by former DHS head, Michael Chertoff. What a coincidence!
- Military defense budgets continue to rise exponentially, despite a supposed decrease in operations in Iraq and Afghanistan
- Deep into his first term, Obama shows no sign of winding down war operations or putting any kind of stop to unconstitutional practices as outlined in the Patriot Act. By the end of term, he has enshrined indefinite detention of American citizens without trial into law
- In 11 years, no Islamic extremists have attacked the United States on its soil. The FBI claims to have foiled several plots; the ones they choose to reveal in the public are quickly found to have been non-starters in the first place or outright fraudulent
- Snowden's leaks confirm what anyone who was paying attention already knew: our government has used a terrorist attack on 9/11/2001 to justify complete destruction of privacy for American citizens and citizens of other countries, with draconian abilities to read, track, intercept and wiretap all communications, including but not limited to Facebook, email, cell phone calls, Skype and real-time internet browsing.
- The DHS is now a multi-headed behemoth capable of enacting martial law at the drop of a hat in several of the nation's biggest cities. Military drills now occur within the country, some in the presence of civilians, as new "secret" bases have popped up, like the one on an old car dealership lot outside Las Vegas
- The leaders of the NSA and FBI have now repeatedly lied to Congress under oath about their surveillance operations. Despite the harsh consequences for baseball players who have lied under oath about steroid use, these men are still in positions in power and have experienced no repercussions whatsoever
- Despite an incredible tax base, our government is trillions of dollars in debt with no hope of ever emerging. We can thank Dick Cheney for getting that ball rolling ("deficits don't matter") and Obama for keeping it up
- Our men and women continue to die in combat to people who for the most part can't pitch a tent, let alone arrange transportation to America to inflict harm
- Our President wants to involve us in Syria's civil war, supporting and arming rebels who are affiliated with Al Qaeda and engage in cannibalism, rape and other war crimes

Are you seeing a progression? It's just incredible. War is a drug our government and its contractors are hooked on. It's not some noble effort to keep us safe; it's a profit machine and the lives of our military are callously disregarded, as is their care after they return home. To say otherwise indicates a mental illness beyond denial and insults the brave who have died in the process.

Our Constitution expressly forbids the vast majority of our federal government's operations, yet the American populace believes them to be working on our behalf and for our good. I am not so trusting, and that's because I can see the man behind the curtain. Money makes the world go around, not an altruistic sense of duty.

The government doesn't deserve our trust; it hasn't earned our trust. The NSA spies on American citizens. The DHS is armed to the hilt and outfitting local PDs with military grade weapons and vehicles, while FEMA orders masses of plastic coffins and sets up "detention" camps around the country, you know, just in case.

Who exactly is the enemy now?

You may say, I have nothing to hide! Let them read my stupid Facebook posts and follow me around while I browse Amazon, eBay and sites, I'm just an average nobody!

This is the most dangerous mindset to have. Information can be cobbled and take piecemeal, and then cobbled together to paint you as a horrible person, a dangerous possible terrorist, even though you're as innocent as apple pie. Information is a weapon - why do you think Disney has approved such a bloated budget for NGE? They must think the data it will yield is quite valuable, and they are correct.

Our Constitution and its Bill of Rights are brilliantly framed, and we will disintegrate as a nation if we don't stick to it. It's already happening.

"First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.

Then they came for the socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me."

The question remains, who's the enemy now?

If you don't know, you're not paying attention.
Very well written and who knows there may be a element of truth attached to it as well. However, just what in the hell does all that political observation have to do with WDW's new electronic fiasco. All the situations that you have mentioned are outside of the world that we are talking about and does require a number of those now famous tinfoil hats to conjure up any degree of connection.

I cannot begin to tell anyone how widely unrelated that these two things are. The connection is only that electronic watching may be happening in a Disney Park. If the government has any interest in that what would it be for? Maybe take over the nation by threatening to withhold Mickey Plushes until we all agree to be implanted with a chip that controls our thoughts and actions and allows anyone interested to know where we are located. You know, just a thought here, but the only ones that might feel threatened by that would be highly successful people with a lot to lose. All us little people are not worth the effort to justify the cost of electricity to run said equipment. So all of those big wheels that are "conspiring" to control people are actually the ones that are most likely to be mined.

To run this argument another way and site history as the road map to what the future will bring, why can't you see the history of this country of freeing itself from the clutch of oppressors. I refuse to look at this government as the enemy. I do see them as badly misguided people that think they have the answers, but I don't see where the American public has handed over their ultimate power yet. History also shows that this country has, like most others, survived this type of paranoia in the past. Senator Joseph R. McCarthy comes to mind immediately.

There might be an appropriate forum for this type of fear mongering, but, this should not be it.
 

luv

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Yes, Florida has way too many specialty license plates as it is now.
Lol! I'm glad there are many choices, something for everyone! But there really are so many. Coming from a place where everyone got the same plate, I was a little surprised.

I can't believe there isn't a Mickey one. But then, if there were and we saw a photo of a car accident where a drunk had killed a child and the drunk's car had a Mickey plate on it, that would seem wrong.
 

Goofyernmost

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Yes, Florida has way too many specialty license plates as it is now.
You should check out the number of specialty plates in North Carolina. I swear I see a new one just about everyday. They have a series of plates that are a tribute to a number of Nascar Drivers (especially Earnhardt, Jr or Sr.) The DOT has a web site and doesn't even begin to list that different ways to spend extra money for a plate. Support the Blue Ridge Mtns. or the Lighthouses on the outer banks or the state flower or even share the road with bicycle riders. There is no end to it. You have to go to a DOT office to see the list of available plates they do not list them on the website.
 
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MattM

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This is the only option you really need ;) :
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devoy1701

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Shareholders would often be quite pleased at high returns generated in a manner which is not in the long term interest of the company, which can indeed be a problem. If you see Disney solely as a business investment, and give no thought to its legacy or reputation, then the stock price and profit are all that matter to you.

Want to dramatically raise profits this year, without regard for the future? Mercedes or Cadillac could make its cars like a cheap Kia, Rolex could make its watches like the $15 ones at Wal-Mart, and The Four Seasons could build its hotels more like a Motel6. There's a reason they don't.

Reaching into the Disney History books again, but I believe that most of the early investors in Disney's enterprises did so because they bought into Disney's ideas and plans for the future and of what he could create, moreso than just concerning themselves with their returns. Bank of America didn't keep extending Roy's credit line for the returns (because they thought surely there weren't going to be any at one point), they did so because they wanted the Disneys to succeed.
 

crispy

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Some of you may not have heard of Holiday World but it's a small family theme park in southern Indiana. I have never been there myself but I bet they have a lot of happy people and don't have to deal with the headaches Disney has created for itself. Admission includes both the theme and water park. They have free parking, free sunscreen and yes, free soda. My guess is that these simple gestures go along ways towards customer satisfaction.

Holiday World is a great little regional park with some awesome coasters. Customer service has always been impeccable, food is reasonable priced, and the park has always been as clean as a whistle.

It's interesting because the CEO of Holiday World passed away quite unexpectedly about two years ago at a young age. His parents founded the park, but it's my understanding that he was key to the park's recent expansions. I have been interested in seeing how this would affect the park.
 
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