Apple's Passbook app integration w/ Disney

[phi2134]

Unfortunately they will make it work for the masses of iPhone users. I can say that I will not buy another iPhone but I do know that my phone has NFC and apple will not allow me to use their product. I would rather have a company come up with a cross platform application but most likely Apple won't let it happen if they can't profit from it.

when i read these "techy" iphone comments about what it doesnt have or how great the "programming" is on other phones...I just think this...

 

[bhg469]

This is somewhat outside of the scope of this thread, but how do you get to the hardware being inferior? In the lat few years they have produced the best there is for smartphones and laptops. EVERYONE has copied their designs, in the phone and laptop segment.

I know a lot of people hate Apple, but when looking at the bare facts, it cannot be said that their products are not beautifully designed and engineered. The build quality is higher than anything I have seen in 15 years of being an IT professional. With the iPhone 5, every element of it is top of the line. How is their hardware inferior?

I'm with you 100% their hardware is fantastic. I'm definitely not on board with the typical fan boy crowd. Like I said I owned an iPhone and loved it but android 4.1 is vastly superior to previous offerings and the first os I can honestly say rips iOS. Until now nothing was close in the realm of smoothness. Jellybean is just as fast and smooth and is customizable.

 

[wdwmagic]

Unfortunately they will make it work for the masses of iPhone users. I can say that I will not buy another iPhone but I do know that my phone has NFC and apple will not allow me to use their product. I would rather have a company come up with a cross platform application but most likely Apple won't let it happen if they can't profit from it.

That is because Apple created this segment of the market. Being realistic, the others have just flat out copied the iPhone. Apple will get NFC working for the iPhone, but why should they do it for the rest who have only got to where they are by copying Apple?

This image basically says it all

 

[flynnibus]

Honestly I am of the opinion that indeed a majority of iPhone owners have it because it is trendy. And that is not an insult, for every knowledgeable tech savvy person that has one there are probably 10 people that just like having it as a status symbol. I disagree with insulting people about it though.

Or simply because it provides an eco-system that just works.. and users can use with some confidence.

These arguments always come up when people want to argue something isn't the BEST in every metric. People often need reminders that most customers don't want to mess with technology.. they want the tool to just work. If you are willing to accept Apple's defined boundaries, it does that, and does it extremely well.

It's all about the meat of the circle.. not always being the best in every direction. Because there rarely is a product that achieves that in every metric.

Apple does a good job of laying out a clear path for people.. and it's resonated with the gen pop.

 

[ScoutN]

This is somewhat outside of the scope of this thread, but how do you get to the hardware being inferior? In the lat few years they have produced the best there is for smartphones and laptops. EVERYONE has copied their designs, in the phone and laptop segment.

I know a lot of people hate Apple, but when looking at the bare facts, it cannot be said that their products are not beautifully designed and engineered. The build quality is higher than anything I have seen in 15 years of being an IT professional. With the iPhone 5, every element of it is top of the line. How is their hardware inferior?

Easy, they lock their hardware so tight that you cannot upgrade anything. They fix a schedule to where the only way you can get something better is to buy a new one when it comes out. The price they charge for the hardware is through the roof compared to what you could build on your and put MACos on it for. @Master Yoda summed it up nicely in a thread elsewhere. You must have missed my post where I said I own several crApple products, Steve

Pretty casing and sleek design is not enough to make my pay out of the nose when I can get something 3 times better computer wise for the same price.

 

[ScoutN]

If crApple was inferior it would be called blackberry.

The internals are near out of date by the time it comes out. Look at the 4s and what competitors already had when it came out. They did that becuase the hype would beyond drive it. They push on hype over current times. It is bad when someone who has owned/owns nearly every iPad... I mean broPad, broPod, a couple MBPs, and cube will not buy a 5.

 

[ScoutN]

Or simply because it provides an eco-system that just works.. and users can use with some confidence.

Well that is why I own one. It does what I NEED and care about. The hardware for this new thing just is not where I would have expected it to be with crApple's trend.

 

[bhg469]

That is because Apple created this segment of the market. Being realistic, the others have just flat out copied the iPhone. Apple will get NFC working for the iPhone, but why should they do it for the rest who have only got to where they are by copying Apple?

This image basically says it all

You're talking about aesthetics though. My phone looks nothing like my 3gs when you're using it. The shape is a shape. Just like the tail lights on my sti were exactly the same as a BMW 5 series. Just like the shape of all flat panel TVs are the same. Bottom line is I am a tech junky, I used apple products and had an iPhone. I prefer android now because of the OS. It is soooo good in comparison and without people giving it a chance its moot. I have no problems with people using iPhone, they aren't superior to android though. Saying otherwise is as ignorant as saying all iPhone owners are drones because they aren't.

 

[phi2134]

The internals are near out of date by the time it comes out. Look at the 4s and what competitors already had when it came out. They did that becuase the hype would beyond drive it. They push on hype over current times. It is bad when someone who has owned/owns nearly every iPad... I mean broPad, broPod, a couple MBPs, and cube will not buy a 5.

 

[ScoutN]

I am actually more prep jock played football in high school while racing currently in school. I just read and research on my own to stay informed though. Great image though, I love that episode!

 

[wdwmagic]

You're talking about aesthetics though. My phone looks nothing like my 3gs when you're using it. The shape is a shape. Just like the tail lights on my sti were exactly the same as a BMW 5 series. Just like the shape of all flat panel TVs are the same. Bottom line is I am a tech junky, I used apple products and had an iPhone. I prefer android now because of the OS. It is soooo good in comparison and without people giving it a chance its moot. I have no problems with people using iPhone, they aren't superior to android though. Saying otherwise is as ignorant as saying all iPhone owners are drones because they aren't.

Not just talking about the aesthetics. I'm talking about the OS, multi-touch, the gestures, the app store. All of it. They have all copied the iPhone hardware and iOS.

 

[phi2134]

I am actually more prep jock played football in high school while racing currently in school. I just read and research on my own to stay informed though. Great image though, I love that episode!

Congratulations Al Bundy...

 

[ScoutN]

Congratulations Al Bundy...

Al Bundy did not attend college and sold shoes. Shoe does not fit in this case. I'll give you a second shot to find another one that does though.

 

[ChrisM]

You are right and that is sad. crApple's hardware is inferior to others but their marketing on changes and doing off the wall items are their blood. Who knows, crApple might have a patent on the NFC tech or find a way to claim they do... that IS their style.

Somewhat echoing Steve, please explain (1) the inferior hardware in the iPhone 5 as compared to, let's say, the Samsung Galaxy SIII and the Nokia Lumia 920 and (2) how the (relatively few) on paper technical enhancements of those two iPhone 5 competitors translate to real world benefits for the user.

I'm not a huge fan of the "appeal to expertise" tacts, but I've been a programmer and technology executive my entire working career. I was a partner for many years at the top technology/operations consulting firm in the world. I currently lead the mobile technology strategy for a large investment firm and have personally developed apps for both iOS and Android that you can purchase today on the App Store and Google Play. And by developed I don't mean I oversaw a project; I actually sat down and wrote the code.

All of that being said, there are some obvious hardware variances between today's leading smartphones but none of them are particularly large. A few more cycles squeezed out of a processor here, a competing screen technology there, a bit more or less memory. It's even more ridiculous these days to lay down competing handsets and declare a winner based on one processor being clocked 100Mhz over another or one having 512meg of additional RAM than it was comparing specs back when IBM, Apple, Commodore, and Atari were fighting for the home computer market in the mid-80's. All that matters with a handset - especially a handset - is how those specs fuel the user experience. And iOS is absolutely the best integrated phone experience currently available. Heck, with any given Android phone it's impossible to know if the next Android release will be supported on your phone and when it will be made available. A new Android version may be released and it may be 6 months to a year before your phone manufacturer makes it available for your handset. iOS upgrades are released simultaneously and still offer immediate upgrades to 3 year old handsets.

Apple's "big misses" from a market standpoint have been in their slow adoption of wideband data spectrums. They were a year behind in supporting 3G and a year behind in supporting LTE. That they did this to create a more uniform user experience has always been obvious, but it's always been at the expense of those that want the bleeding edge. To Apple, that's a more than acceptable tradeoff as they want to be the premium player in the broadest possible market. And they are.

Most complaints concerning the iPhone in comparison to its peers are that it is not flexible enough, doesn't allow as much customization, and locks in the user to Apple's preferred way of doing things. These criticism are 100% accurate. And for the vast majority of phone users, 100% irrelevant. Some of the things a user can do on an Android phone, for example, are very, very cool. But even most folks that chose Android for that very feature don't even take advantage of it...it's a nice to have that they never really utilize.

At the end of the day, the iPhone 5 is a great phone. Whether it's the best for any given individual's needs is wholly up to them. It's not the absolutely bleeding edge of technology but it certainly meets or exceeds any currently available handset and even some that are still due to be released this year.

 

[bhg469]

The app store looks nothing like apples. The software is sooooo different and was always meant to be more than just pages of icons. Pinch to zoom was touted by others long before it was foolishly patented. Even Steve Wozniak thinks that patent will be overturned. Again your allowed to have your opinion but having used several devices from BB to iOS and android they are all good for their own things. I phones just aren't superior anymore.

 

[ScoutN]

Somewhat echoing Steve, please explain (1) the inferior hardware in the iPhone 5 as compared to, let's say, the Samsung Galaxy SIII and the Nokia Lumia 920 and (2) how the (relatively few) on paper technical enhancements of those two iPhone 5 competitors translate to real world benefits for the user.

I'm not a huge fan of the "appeal to expertise" tacts, but I've been a programmer and technology executive my entire working career. I was a partner for many years at the top technology/operations consulting firm in the world. I currently lead the mobile technology strategy for a large investment firm and have personally developed apps for both iOS and Android that you can purchase today on the App Store and Google Play. And by developed I don't mean I oversaw a project; I actually sat down and wrote the code.

All of that being said, there are some obvious hardware variances between today's leading smartphones but none of them are particularly large. A few more cycles squeezed out of a processor here, a competing screen technology there, a bit more or less memory. It's even more ridiculous these days to lay down competing handsets and declare a winner based on one processor being clocked 100Mhz over another or one having 512meg of additional RAM than it was comparing specs back when IBM, Apple, Commodore, and Atari were fighting for the home computer market in the mid-80's. All that matters with a handset - especially a handset - is how those specs fuel the user experience. And iOS is absolutely the best integrated phone experience currently available. Heck, with any given Android phone it's impossible to know if the next Android release will be supported on your phone and when it will be made available. A new Android version may be released and it may be 6 months to a year before your phone manufacturer makes it available for your handset. iOS upgrades are released simultaneously and still offer immediate upgrades to 3 year old handsets.

Apple's "big misses" from a market standpoint have been in their slow adoption of wideband data spectrums. They were a year behind in supporting 3G and a year behind in supporting LTE. That they did this to create a more uniform user experience has always been obvious, but it's always been at the expense of those that want the bleeding edge. To Apple, that's a more than acceptable tradeoff as they want to be the premium player in the broadest possible market. And they are.

Most complaints concerning the iPhone in comparison to its peers are that it is not flexible enough, doesn't allow as much customization, and locks in the user to Apple's preferred way of doing things. These criticism are 100% accurate. And for the vast majority of phone users, 100% irrelevant. Some of the things a user can do on an Android phone, for example, are very, very cool. But even most folks that chose Android for that very feature don't even take advantage of it...it's a nice to have that they never really utilize.

At the end of the day, the iPhone 5 is a great phone. Whether it's the best for any given individual's needs is wholly up to them. It's not the absolutely bleeding edge of technology but it certainly meets or exceeds any currently available handset and even some that are still due to be released this year.

Competitors beat them to the punch. 4G? Larger screen? The processors in other phones that roll out well before crApple delays their's to have these conferences. My statement was more geared directly to computers. AS I have said a few times, maybe more than a few at this rate. I use a 4s and are happy with it. This 5 is underwhelming, lacks features, and driving purely off hype while the 5s (or whatever it will be called) will be the cream of the crop in regards to broPhones.

 

[wdwmagic]

The app store looks nothing like apples. The software is sooooo different and was always meant to be more than just pages of icons. Pinch to zoom was touted by others long before it was foolishly patented. Even Steve Wozniak thinks that patent will be overturned. Again your allowed to have your opinion but having used several devices from BB to iOS and android they are all good for their own things. I phones just aren't superior anymore.

Well as you say, it is all down to an opinion. I also have had the lot, and currently own Android devices, along with iOS, and I can say without a doubt that for me iOS is far superior.

 

[ScoutN]

Well as you say, it is all down to an opinion. I also have had the lot, and currently own Android devices, along with iOS, and I can say without a doubt that for me iOS is far superior.

So have I. Like I have said for who knows how many times a broPhone suits me fine and I would not leave it. This recent one is just meh. Hell if it weren't for my cousin working for a carrier and telling me the differences I wouldn't know any different in regards to phones. Every Dreaoidful product I owned started locking up and slowing down substantially after 6 months of use. Never had that issue with my broPhone.

 

[wdwmagic]

My statement was more geared directly to computers.

Have you seen the Macbook Pro Retina? Absolutely stunning. No better computer out there right now - that screen is unbelievable, and it is incredibly fast.

 

[M.rudolf]

Well that is why I own one. It does what I NEED and care about. The hardware for this new thing just is not where I would have expected it to be with crApple's trend.

Then that makes you just as clueless as the people you insult